Salam.i.wanted.to.knw if sunni shia marraige.is allowed.on.islam.or.not if a guy.is.shia and girl.is sunni.... they guys family has.performed umrah.and.haj and they.recite quran.too... please also.gve references about my answer too.

asked 1011 fkhawaja's gravatar image

no.one.should.compare Allah.and.prophet(pbuh) with humans...now adays.every scholar praises.their.own sect.... u.all.need.reality.check....who.r we to declare.someone.a muslim or.non.muslim.... plus Al azar.uni.of.jordan.passed a declaration.in.whch even.sunni.scholars.signed.tht not.all.shias r.nonmuslims.... its.due to.ppl.like.u.all who r breakin muslims unity.

(Mar 04 '13 at 04:29) fkhawaja fkhawaja's gravatar image

what a contradictory statements you are making here..Its is obvious now that you were not asking a question or Islamic knowledge but just spreading your own one And about your mentioned declaration we all know and follow it but my question is that focus on the words "not all shia" means that their are some things obligations which should be fulfilled to make them Muslim...and how you will judge and ask them whether they from wrong ones or right ones if you can then their is no objection I am sincerely writing here not fighting with you and i welcome your comments but be wise ...continued...

(Mar 04 '13 at 05:27) Ali Bhai Ali%20Bhai's gravatar image

and do not follow the voice & openions of NAFS and shaitan

(Mar 04 '13 at 05:28) Ali Bhai Ali%20Bhai's gravatar image

i.still.m.not fully satisfied with.the.statements.u.gave.... Allah.is.wiser and.he.will.guide us better

(Mar 04 '13 at 05:31) fkhawaja fkhawaja's gravatar image

I have not read the conversation between you and @Ali Bhai, but i want to tell you that Allah (S.W.T) has already provided guidance and the deen of Allah (S.W.T) has been completed on Holy Prophet (S.A.W) and we all have tried our best to give you the exact answer but its only you who are turning your face. This marriage has no basis if the Shia boy has bad opinions about Sahaba Karam Alehis Salam.

(Mar 04 '13 at 05:53) believer ♦ believer's gravatar image

fkhawaja

Make a simple test:

There are 5 conditions for a person to be counted as Muslim. These are, 1- recognizing that Allah is one and Muhammed is a prophet and believe in angels, 2- namaz (sa'laat, duaa), 3-zakat, 4-hajj, 5- fasting.

Ask your friend from Shia belief: is he against any of these 5 conditions? That will answer you about whether he is Muslim or not. Forget these Sunni extremists, they just talk political.

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Aslamu alaykum. Inshallah please read the whole post and I will answer your question as precisely as I can. To be humble is to accept the truth and to submit to it even if you heard it from a child or someone who is uneducated or ignorant (al-fudayl ibn iyyad) I usually don't comment on posts, but sister I fear for you that you will mak a grave mistake. Allah will ask you on the day of judgment about your children. Don't you think that the man will make your kids Shias. They will have partial beliefs of Shiasm or worse they will be Shias.being around a man who is not adhering to the Quran and the sunnah will have an effect on your heart. Shaytan is very clever. He has been created before the humans. For millions of years he has lived so do not say that you will not be affected by his creed when you are with him everyday for the rest of your life. It will be normal and you will accept it as something minor. Inshallah I will start answering and please read everything and a detailed answered.

We Sunnis wish all people well, and we ask Allaah to guide all those who are misled and to reward all those who obey Him. We hope that Allaah will guide those Raafidis…

The differences between the Ahl al-Sunnah (Sunnis) and the Raafidis are very great and are fundamental. For example, the Raafidis say that the Qur’aan was altered, and they condemn most of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) and think that they went astray; they exaggerate about their imaams and worship them, and give them precedence over the Prophets and angels; they go on pilgrimages to mashhads (shrines) and graves, where they do all kinds of actions of shirk, associating others in worship with Allaah. They also believe in hypocrisy (as a tenet of faith) and call it taqiyah (dissimulation), and they believe in al-badaa’(the notion that Allaah “changes His mind”), al-raj’ah (the Return, i.e., the raising of the dead to life again for some time in the same form as they were before) and absolute infallibility of their imaams, and in prostrating on a handful of clay…

Ruling on a Muslim woman marrying a Shi'i

Praise be to Allaah. 

The Standing Committee was asked the following question: 

We come from a tribe that lives on the northern borders [of Saudi Arabia], and we mix with tribes from Iraq who are idolatrous Shi’ah; they worship domes and call them al-Hasan al-Husayn and ‘Ali. When one of them stands up he says. “O ‘Ali, O Husayn.” Some peopl from our tribe have intermarried with them and mix with them in all circumstances. We have tried to teach them but they do not listen. I do not have enough knowledge to teach them but I hate what they do, and I do not mix with them. I have heard that we cannot eat meat slaughtered by them, but these people eat their meat and do not care. We are asking you what are our obligations in this case? 

Answer: 

Praise be to Allaah and blessings and peace be upon His Messenger and his family and companions. 

If the situation is as you describe – that they call upon ‘Ali, al-Hasan and al-Husayn, and so on – then they are mushrikeen who are guilty of major shirk, which puts them beyond the pale of Islam. It is not permissible for Muslim women to marry them, and it is not permissible for us to marry their women, or to eat meat slaughtered by them. 

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): 

“And do not marry Al-Mushrikaat (idolatresses) till they believe (worship Allaah Alone). And indeed a slave woman who believes is better than a (free) Mushrikah (idolatress), even though she pleases you. And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al-Mushrikoon till they believe (in Allaah Alone) and verily, a believing slave is better than a (free) Mushrik (idolater), even though he pleases you. Those (Al-Mushrikoon) invite you to the Fire, but Allaah invites (you) to Paradise and forgiveness by His Leave, and makes His Ayaat (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) clear to mankind that they may remember”

[al-Baqarah 2:221] 

And Allaah is the Source of strength. May Allaah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions. 

It is not permissible to give the daughters of Sunni families in marriage to the sons of Shi’is or Communists. If the marriage takes place, it is invalid, because it is well known that the Shi’ah offer supplication (du’aa’) to Ahl al-Bayt (the Prophet’s family) and seek help through them, and this is major shirk; and the communists are atheists and have no religion at all. You have to go back to your family and not allow this man to be intimate with you, and you have to refer the matter to the authorities in your own country. 

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz, Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez Aal al-Shaykh, Shaykh ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Ghadyaan, Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan, Shaykh Bakr Abu Zayd  

And Allaah knows best. 

From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 2/264 

Telling lies about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is a great evil and a serious sin, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else. Whoever tells lies about me deliberately, let him take his place in Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 1229. It was also narrated by Muslim in the Introduction to his Saheeh, without the phrase “Telling lies about me is not like telling lies about anyone else.” 

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Do not tell lies about me, for whoever tells lies about me will enter Hell.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 106. And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever narrates a hadeeth from me that he thinks is false is one of the liars.” Narrated by Muslim (1). 

A number of scholars are of the view that the one who deliberately tells lies about the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is a kaafir.    If they say why do the Sunni make division. Rather history tells itself, they are the one who deviated . The Shia's are the one who deviated from the path of Allah. 

“One day Prophet Muhammad, drew a line in the sand for them and said, “This is God’s path.” He then drew several lines [branching off] to the right and to the left and said, “These are the paths [of misguidance] on each of which is a devil inviting people to follow it.” He then recited the verse: ‘Verily, this is my path, leading straight, so follow it. And do not follow the [other] paths for they will scatter you about from God’s path. That is His command to you in order that you may be conscious of God.’” (Ahmed)

“The Jews were divided among themselves into seventy one or seventy two sects, and the Christians were divided among themselves into seventy one or seventy two sects. And My Ummah will be divided among itself into seventy three sects.” Abu Dawood, at-Tirmidhi, al-Hakim and Ahmad among several others, reported this Hadith. At-Tirmidhi said; “Hadeethun Hassanun Sahih”. 

In another variation, Imam Ahmad recorded that Abu AmirAbdullah bin Luhay said; "We performed Hajj with Mu`awiyah bin Abi Sufyan. When we arrived at Makkah, he stood up after praying Dhuhr and said; ‘The Messenger of Allah (SalAllahu alaihi wasallam) said; 

إِنَّ أَهْلَ الْكِتَابَيْنِ افْتَرَقُوا فِي دِينِهِمْ عَلى ثِنْتَيْنِ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً، وَإِنَّ هذِهِ الْأُمَّةَ سَتَفْتَرِقُ عَلى ثَلَاثٍ وَسَبْعِينَ مِلَّةً يَعْنِي الْأَهْوَاءَ كُلُّهَا فِي النَّارِ إِلَّا وَاحِدَةً وَهِيَ الْجَمَاعَةُ وَإِنَّهُ سَيَخْرُجُ فِي أُمَّتِي أَقْوَامٌ تَجَارَى بِهِمْ تِلْكَ الْأَهْوَاءُ كَمَا يَتَجَارَى الْكَلَبُ بِصَاحِبِه، لَا يَبْقَى مِنْهُ عِرْقٌ وَلَا مَفْصِلٌ إِلَّا دَخَلَه ‘The People of the Two Scriptures divided into seventy-two sects. This Ummah will divide into seventy-three sects, all in the Fire except one, that is, the Jama’ah. Some of my Ummah will be guided by desire, like one who is infected by rabies; no vein or joint will be saved from these desires.’’”  This hadith was also narrated by Abu Dawood (2/503), Ahmad (4/102) and al-Haakim (1/128) among others, with similar wording but with the following addition;  ((My umma will be divided into seventy three sects. All of them will be in the Fire except one?)), [Saheeh Muslim, no.976]

And i advise you not to think of marrying this man… Whoever gives up something for the sake of Allaah, Allaah will compensate him with something better. We ask Allaah to make you strong and grant you a good life in this world and in the Hereafter.

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Salam! Its strictly strictly strictly forbidden to marry a shia by our Great Nice True and Genuine Sunni Muslim Scholars like IMAM_E_AZAM ABU HANIFA, IMAM SHAFAI, IMAM AHMAD IBNE HANBAL & IMAM MALIK RahimahumULLAH Alaihim.....Do not follow the taste and like of NAFS because it will lead to hell but follow these Great Pious and Nice Saints and Fuqaha Kiram so that you can lead to JANNAH where you will get unlimitted life rather than of this short life of forty to fifty years here....

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I asked dis bfre too.i.need refrrnces from Quran...as i dnt believe wht.human say.

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If you do believe human then How can you say that you believe on Quran? Because you did not see PROPHET SALLALLAH o ALAIHI WASALLAM by your self and the Holy Quran on which you believe is introduced to you by these humans on which you do not believe....Please think about your Eman....

(Mar 03 '13 at 02:22) Ali Bhai Ali%20Bhai's gravatar image

When Holy Quran revealed there were no Fiqahs so you can not get a verse regarding Shia Sunni Marriages. Sia Sunni are on two different ways, I don't know whether you are Shia or Sunni but this marriage has no basis if they think a little. Sunnis are totally agreed on the Sahabiyat and Caliphate of Hazrat Abu Bakr (R.A), Umar (R.A) and Uthman (R.A) and if any Muslim disagree on their companionship or say bad about them then that person is out of Islam (according to Sunni), plus there are differences in Namaz and their timings, Kalima and timings of Sehr and Iftar in the month of Ramadan and etc etc etc

So if that Shia boy have wrong opinions about Hazrat Abu Bakr (R.A), Umar (R.A) and Uthman (R.A) then that Sunni girl can not marry him. Plus the kalima is only one without any addition.

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A lot of Shia (if not all) hate the Sahaba, this could cause a lot of problems in the future. Also, a lot of Shia (again most if not all) have fallen into Shirk. There is hadith about a sect of people within Islam that Muhammad SAW has cursed, they are said to be Shia's. waAllahuAlem

Definitely dangerous.

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yes you can marry between shia and sunni:

Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only [left] to Allah ; then He will inform them about what they used to do. 6:59

Indeed this, your religion, is one religion, and I am your Lord, so worship Me. And [yet] they divided their affair among themselves, [but] all to Us will return. 21:92-93

And indeed this, your religion, is one religion, and I am your Lord, so fear Me. But the people divided their religion among them into sects - each faction, in what it has, rejoicing. Mu'minun 52-53

[Adhere to it], turning in repentance to Him, and fear Him and establish prayer and do not be of those who associate others with Allah [Or] of those who have divided their religion and become sects, every faction rejoicing in what it has. Rum 31-32

Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account. Ali Imran 19

as you can see there is only 1 religion. the final point in this religion is Quran. nothing can go against or be debated against Quran, therefore nothing that is not forbidden in the Quran can be forbidden by men. open Quran, search it on the internet. does it forbid you from marrying with someone from another sect? it doesnt. there isnt even mention of shia or sunni in the Quran. you are Muslim so obey Quran fist, not to men. shia and sunni are not different religions. Quran even forbids seperationism in Islam, as seen above.

forbidding something that Quran does not forbid, or releasing something that the Quran forbid are very big sins. you can marry with another Muslim. anyone who says otherwise wants to use you.

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thnku so vry much atleast someone came up wid the refrences to my regarding ques.....

(Mar 04 '13 at 09:13) fkhawaja fkhawaja's gravatar image

@pargali and @fkhawaja

I don't find the references saying that a Muslim can marry a Non-Muslim. You can simply get the answer from logic, what we are saying is that if anyone claims to be a Muslim he/she can not have wrong opinions about Sahaba Karam alehisalam, because if he/she has bad opinions or said bad about companions of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) then he/she is out of deen of Islam means non-Muslim. And a Muslim can not marry a kafir. I think you really moved by references, let me quote you exact reference of a Hadith (S.A.W),

Al-Tirmidhi, 43- BOOK OF FAITH, Chapter 18 #2651

Narrated by Abdullah ibn Amr (R.A)

Allah's Messenger (saws) said: ‘There will befall my Ummah exactly (all those) evils which befell the people of Isra'il, so much so that if there was one amongst them who openly committed fornication with his mother there will be among my Ummah one who will do that, and if the people of Isra'il were fragmented into seventy-two sects, my Ummah will be fragmented into seventy-three sects! All of them will be in Hell Fire except one sect. They (the Companions) said: ‘O Allah's Messenger (saws), which one is that?’ Whereupon he (saws) replied: ‘It is one to which I and my companions belong.’

I never read that companions of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) was belongers of Shi'ah sect. Actually this sect was not even present that time.

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@believer you are wrong. Quran frowns upon non-Muslim marriage.

This day [all] good foods have been made lawful, and the food of those who were given the Scripture is lawful for you and your food is lawful for them. And [lawful in marriage are] chaste women from among the believers and chaste women from among those who were given the Scripture before you, when you have given them their due compensation, desiring chastity, not unlawful sexual intercourse or taking [secret] lovers. And whoever denies the faith - his work has become worthless, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers. Maide:5

O you who have believed, when the believing women come to you as emigrants, examine them. Allah is most knowing as to their faith. And if you know them to be believers, then do not return them to the disbelievers; they are not lawful [wives] for them, nor are they lawful [husbands] for them. But give the disbelievers what they have spent. And there is no blame upon you if you marry them when you have given them their due compensation. And hold not to marriage bonds with disbelieving women, but ask for what you have spent and let them ask for what they have spent. That is the judgement of Allah ; He judges between you. And Allah is Knowing and Wise. Al-Mumtaĥanah:10

And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing slave woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry polytheistic men [to your women] until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a polytheist, even though he might please you. Those invite [you] to the Fire, but Allah invites to Paradise and to forgiveness, by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that perhaps they may remember. Al-Baqarah:221

however one can not declare someone Muslim or non-Muslim. only Allah can judge the people in that. therefore shia with sunni is a Muslim with Muslim marriage, unless one of them have commited great murder or worked against Allah or against His followers.

you have provided a hadith against scriptures. Kuran has more validity than hadiths, therefore cannot refute a scripture. so your argument is false.

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You have not read completely what i have said. I clearly mentioned KAFIR. People of the Book are not Kafir so Muslim men can marry the girls from People of Book but not Kafir. Don't you know a Muslim can not marry a Hindu or Buddhist. So if you abuse the Sahaba Karam Alehisalam you are neither people of book nor Muslim.

(Mar 04 '13 at 10:29) believer ♦ believer's gravatar image

you havent read mine either:

And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing slave woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry polytheistic men [to your women] until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a polytheist, even though he might please you. Those invite [you] to the Fire, but Allah invites to Paradise and to forgiveness, by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that perhaps they may remember. Al-Baqarah:221

(Mar 04 '13 at 10:32) pargali pargali's gravatar image

@pargali

You tell me what you are trying to say because I don't find anything in the above verse regarding Shia Sunni Marriage. I also said the same but you don't understand, above verse is saying Believing Men and Women are better then polytheistic which means a Muslim is better then a Mushrik, and if you want to marry them then they should accept Islam so that they become Muslim. And of course a Muslim can marry a Muslim so, don't go off topic and stick to the Topic

The hadith (S.A.W) which I have provided goes with the verse of Holy Qur'an which you have provided. I also said a Muslim can not marry a kafir Until they believe and if they believe they are no longer kafir but Muslim.

What I am saying is that if someone claims to be a Muslim and say against Sahaba Karam alehisalam then he/she is out of deen and a KAFIR. And a Muslim can not marry a kafir.

Now let me quote you the same verses which you have provided above so you can understand them clearly,

O you who have believed, when the believing women come to you as emigrants, examine them. Allah is most knowing as to their faith. And if you know them to be believers, then do not return them to the disbelievers; they are not lawful [wives] for them, nor are they lawful [husbands] for them. But give the disbelievers what they have spent. And there is no blame upon you if you marry them when you have given them their due compensation. And hold not to marriage bonds with disbelieving women, but ask for what you have spent and let them ask for what they have spent. That is the judgement of Allah ; He judges between you. And Allah is Knowing and Wise. Al-Mumtaĥanah:10

And do not marry polytheistic women until they believe. And a believing slave woman is better than a polytheist, even though she might please you. And do not marry polytheistic men [to your women] until they believe. And a believing slave is better than a polytheist, even though he might please you. Those invite [you] to the Fire, but Allah invites to Paradise and to forgiveness, by His permission. And He makes clear His verses to the people that perhaps they may remember. Al-Baqarah:221

Now concentrate on the above sentences which I have highlighted, they clearly shows that no mater what a Muslim can not marry a disbeliever. And I am saying exactly the same, if you abuse Sahaba Karem Alehisalam then you are a disbeliever (Kafir)so a Muslim can not marry a Disbeliever.

And regarding you saying me that I can not declare someone Muslim or Non-Muslim. I can say a Hindu and Buddhist a non-Muslim can't I? So, if someone is abusing Sahaba Karam Alehisalam he/she is surely a Kafir and not a Muslim.

Now prove me how the Hadith (S.A.W) which I have provided is against Holy Qur'an ? If you can not see the relation between Hadith (S.A.W) and Holy Qur'an then its your own fault of understanding. I have given explanation about the verses which you have quoted, hope you understand now.

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"Now concentrate on the above sentences which I have highlighted, they clearly shows that no mater what a Muslim can not marry a disbeliever. And I am saying exactly the same, if you abuse Sahaba Karem Alehisalam then you are a disbeliever (Kafir)so a Muslim can not marry a Disbeliever."

^ this is absolute bullshit sorry. who the hell is that? who are you to declare someone a kafir or not?

(Mar 04 '13 at 22:54) pargali pargali's gravatar image

at believer

prove me where it says shia or sunni is non-Muslim in the Quran

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