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Good day, brothers and sisters. I've recently been struck with a piece of knowledge: music is haram in Islam. I've checked a couple websites and they all seemed to support the music is haram. Now, I don't quite understand this. There are articles about how music drives a person's mind away from the Creator, and that music causes inappropriate feelings to arise, such as arousal and such. I don't quite understand this because neither to I feel distant from God while listening to music, nor do I get aroused. If anything, music calms my mind when I feel inappropriate feelings. And when I listen to music, I KNOW that it was God who give musicians the ability to make music. Can someone pleas clarify this for me? Listening to music is the only thing I find joyful in life. Finding out that the one thing I love the most in life is a sin is devastating. It's like being best friends with someone, only to find out years later that that person was plotting your downfall all along.

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The second half of your answer has nothing to do with the question. As for the first half, obeying the sunnah is more complicated than you want to think. Since our entire social, economic, and intellectual perspective has shifted so drastically from the time of the sahaaba, the process of obeying now is forced to involve a lot of personal choices. There's no way around that - we live in a globalized world, and our conditions are simply different now. It's all niyyat, brother. The Prophet (SAWS) was a compassionate, smart, caring man, and to think that he (S) would appreciate blind taqlid to the extreme of trying to understand modern meanings of listening to music within the framework of 7th century Arabian musical culture is doing him (S) a disservice. Unfortunately, we can no longer obey Muhammad (SAWS) by following his words and examples directly and by sharing in his (S) social milieu. But we bear the heavy responsibility of keeping out niyyat pure while following the sunnah as it applies to our context. Let me ask you, then - do you not ever listen to music? Not enjoy it? Not feel that the music of Beethoven or Ali Akbar Khan reveals something of the divine beauty of God's (ta3aala) creation?

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@tursun

I know why you felt that the second half of my answer has nothing do with the question, but as @jook was arguing about just a synonym so I had to provide him an evidence, because although they are synonym but there is a slightest difference between them about where they should be used. And if one can not differentiate between them, they will relate the recitation of David (PBUH) in Praise of Allah (S.W.T) to the shameful singing of today's lyrics and thinking it as a green signal for them to sing or listen to shameful songs of today.

Regarding you saying "obeying the sunnah is more complicated than you want to think", I want to tell you one thing that the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) are guidance till the end of the World. And that is why Holy Qur'an is the last revelation and Holy Prophet (S.A.W) is sent as a mercy to all mankind and a role model to all mankind. So no one can say that because the present situation is very tough and the time has been changed so we can not follow the Sunnah, this is no excuse my friend because Holy Qur'an and Sunnah are the source of guidance for every era and time till the end of the world. And if someone is neglecting the Sunnah by making excuses then it is his own fault but Sunnah will not change what so ever. Do you know this was the same reason why Torah and Bible had been edited by people's own hand because for the temporary benefits of some people they edited their scriptures making lawful for them what was prohibited.

Now, that you asked me that if I ever listen to music? or I enjoyed it or not?

Answer: I do agree that people like and enjoy listening music, but people also like drinking alcohol, gambling, dancing, taking interest on money and doing illegal sexual intercourse. So, because people like listening to haram music it doesn't make it lawful for them to do it. Islam strictly tells believers to control their Nafs, because Allah (S.W.T) knows that there are many (evil) things which are liked by human beings but they are not lawful for them.

So, the supports of neglecting the Sunnahs can you provide me from the Holy Qur'an the procedure of performing Salaah? I will keep repeating the question until I get the answers from you.

Waiting for your answer.

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edited Mar 10 '13 at 12:53

Ok, so do you like music or not? If you do, then don't be a hypocrite and tell people it's haraam. Also, if you do, then ponder what it is about music that appeals to you, and whether it creates any feelings within your nafs that you think go against the sunnah. I know that is not the case for me.

Also, brother, I agree with you that the Sunnah and Qur'an are a guidance for all time. But by saying that following them is complicated I am referring to the fact that there are many aspects of modern (or postmodern) life that require a very careful reading of the sunnah and Qur'an, simply because there are social conditions now that did not exist in 7th century Arabia. Regardless of how much we want to obey the sunnah as closely as possible, it can never be 100% of that of the companions, just because of our material and social surroundings, and the way we learn. You can still follow the sunnah but since human society is different we have to think hard about how to apply the sunnah to our own lives. ----- I don't mean that we should not follow the sunnah because it's tough. I mean we should try even harder and that in doing so we are performing the work of Islam. So why is it bad to investigate the context of the hadith in order to better understand it? Regarding listening to music, it referred to the specific social environment in which music was usually performed. That is an inseparable part of that hadith. There is the science of asbab al-nuzul, the "conditions of revelation" which aalims use to understand the verses of the Qur'an based on their context. ----- My answer to your last question is that nowhere in the Qur'an does it say "don't follow the hadith," nor does it give instructions for prayer. But I am not talking about neglecting the hadith, I am talking about applying the hadith using our God-given (taaala) intelligence since we no longer live in a tribal desert environment. This is something that has been ongoing since people started doing tafseer and `ilm al-hadith.

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@tursun

I am not a hypocrite, please check my answer on the first page. I said not every kind of music is halal or haram but there are conditions which makes it halal or haram, I have also provided the conditions. Let me quote here as well what I have said earlier,

No sensible Muslim can say that our Holy Prophet (S.A.W) have allowed every kind of music i.e. vulgar, leads to sin, against the teachings of Islam, in praise of haram things or in conjunction with haram activities.

And I think we all have sung our respective National Anthem when we were in schools, right? (Without Music Instruments)

And yes I am against these songs and music which do not fulfill the conditions.

The second paragraph of your answer has a contradiction. First you said yourself "I agree with you that the Sunnah and Qur'an are a guidance for all time" and then you said "social conditions now that did not exist in 7th century Arabia". Brother please stick to your statement, If you truly believe that Qur'an and Sunnah are the guidance for all time then don't blame present conditions that its not same as 1400 years ago. I think you believe that Allah (S.W.T) knows future don't you? So, if you believe that Allah (S.W.T) knows future so when he (S.W.t) sent Holy Qur'an, He (S.W.T) already knew what would be the conditions till the end of time thus no matter in which society you live if you call yourself Muslim then you have to follow the deen.

And I must tell you, you have used a very bad sentence that "social conditions now that did not exist in 7th century Arabia" and present conditions are tougher, don't abuse time. Here is the Hadith (S.A.W) regarding this,

Abu Hurayra (R.A) reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (pbuh) saying: Allah the exalted and Glorious said: The son of Adam abuses Time, whereas I am The Time. In my hand are the days and nights.

(Sahih Muslim, Book 27, Number 5580)

Link to Hadith: http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/muslim/027.html

However I asked the question regarding procedure of salaah to @jook and @pargali because they were neglecting the Hadeeths (S.A.W). I know @tursun you are not against Hadith (S.A.W) and of course you can not find the procedure in Holy Qur'an because it is not provided and then you have to say that we have to look at sunnah because you can only find the procedure of Salaah in Sunnah of Holy Prophet (S.A.W)

And Tafseer is really important if you want to learn the Holy Qur'an deeply and to learn what is the true meaning.

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edited Mar 10 '13 at 16:30

google dictionary vs. Strong's concordance? Isn't google like, associated with the beast or something.. I don't accept 666!

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Is this the best you have to say?

(Mar 10 '13 at 16:42) believer ♦ believer's gravatar image

It's a natural instinct to prostrate in prayer, for those who are able to. Allah guides us to this, to salah, to sujud. Faith is involved with out relationship with God, not just knowledge.

48:29 Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating [in prayer], seeking bounty from Allah and [His] pleasure. Their mark is on their faces from the trace of prostration. That is their description in the Torah. And their description in the Gospel is as a plant which produces its offshoots and strengthens them so they grow firm and stand upon their stalks, delighting the sowers - so that Allah may enrage by them the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds among them forgiveness and a great reward.

even if read without the words in brackets, it is evident that any believer who has faith can understand that prostration is a proper act during prayer. Also, some people pray standing up, though more prostrate than those standing during prayer.

Also, just because Muhammad is not with us in a physical body on earth, does that mean we are not "with" him? We are with him, in the extent of what he believes, us that do believe. If you were to hear his voice tell you to do something, would you obey him? Or did he go mute after those so called "hadiths" were put into print? Where is the proof from Allah that those are actually Muhammad's words? God did not claim in the Qur'an that the hadiths which came after the Qur'an are His revealed word, nor did he say that those are Muhammad's words.. He did reveal the former scriptures, are those not valid to you?

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I apologize for using the word hypocrite. That was uncalled for.

Thank you for your thoughtful answer. It's still a question that is difficult to resolve, though. Of course the Lord (jalla jalaaluhu) knows every infinitely minute detail of the past, present, and future. But the Prophet (SAWS) did not - he (S) was just a messenger. I am sincere in asking this: how do we apply the sunnah to aspects of life that are totally different from those of 7th century Arabia? I don't think it is abusing time to wonder this, since features of life like music, which we are discussing, are different now than they were then. It is difficult to see how it can be done without using our own ta'wil on everything. I still feel that the conditions for what makes music halal or haram are squarely within the domain of personal 'aql, and once that door is opened then where do we stop? I like the idea that Islam is so resilient that it can fit perfectly within all societies, and so I will keep doing ijtihaad to understand our world in the light of the Qur'an. Brother I wish we could talk in person since I think this is n extremely important question. Of course iman and taqwa are more than just obsessively following all the prescriptions, but I know they are there for a reason, so how to work them into the modern world is a constant struggle.

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@jook

Prostration is not Salaah, Prostration is Sujood and There is "Sajda-e-Tilawat" as well which we perform when we recite a verse of Sajdah while reciting the Holy Qur'an, and we don't call it Salaah but Sajdah, which tells Sadjah is not Salaah. So, don't provide me useless excuses and provide me complete procedure from Holy Qur'an, tell any muslim that sujood is prayer and he will laugh at you. Who told you that first you have to make niyyah (Intention) then fold your hands recite Fatiha and any surah and go to rukoo and what to say in ruko and then prostrate etc and how to complete your Salaah.

Tell me do you pray in masjid or in your house by just doing sujood? and do you even recite a tasbeeh when prostration? Tell me how you offer your salaah?

Tell me are you a Muslim or not? because you are neglecting Hadeeths (S.A.W) an you have not even added a durood after writing the name of Holy prophet.

And if you say yourself "We are with him, in the extent of what he believes", then tell me who told yo what were his (S.A.W) believes ?Because then again to know his (S.A.W) believes and practices you have to again look at the hadiths. And hadiths came from a chain of narrations so there is no dispute in it. And proves are the writing of Sahaba Karem (R.A) and Muhammad (S.A.W) it self. And Holy Qur'an was revealed on Holy prophet (S.A.W) and it came to us by Sahaba memorizing and writing in to them, if you doubt that hadiths are not the words of Holy prophet (S.A.W) and that people have written them their selves so what is the proof you have that they haven't edited (Naozubillah) the Holy Qur'an? To believe in Qur'an you have to believe in hadeeths (S.A.W). Holy Qur'an it self says,

And obey Allah and the Messenger that you may obtain mercy. (3:132)

You have to Obey the messenger or you go against Qur'an. And the believes and practices of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) are written Hadeeths (S.A.W). The Sahabas (R.A) spent their lives in securing the words of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) and you kids after 1400 years think they have no use. Seriously, tell me are you Muslim or not? or you belong to Ahmadiyah community?

However my question remain unanswered from you that is, provide me the procedure of performing salaah from Holy Qur'an. And how to you offer salaah @jook?

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@tursun

You are again saying the same things in another way.

First you say you believe Allah Knows every minute of past,present and future then you give this statement "since features of life like music, which we are discussing, are different now than they were then" . Holy Qur'an and Sunnah are the guidance till the end of the world so wha was haram that time is still haram and what was halal that time will remain halal.

Brother, I lived in the East and in the West and I really don't know what does society has to do within the boundaries of you home. I said a simple thing which is not hard or difficult that don't listen to haram music does it any hard for you to change a T.V. channel or not downloading these kind a music? What others do is not your concerned if they listen to haram music then they will be accountable not you, If your neighbors are listening loud music which your ears are listening too, you can do what is in your hands, you can ask them to lower the voice or of they don't then they will be punished not you, you are only responsible for yourself. I live in same world and lived in multiple societies Alhamdulillah, I don't find it hard.

And regarding you saying "music halal or haram are squarely within the domain of personal 'aql,", brother Aql has nothing to do with haram or halal. What Allah and his Messenger (S.A.W) have forbidden is forbidden and what is lawful is lawful. We can not understand the expediency of Allah (S.W.T) by our Aql. If you start to think on religion with our little human Aql then you will go astray brother. Our Aql don't say there are angels but it is our believe which says, yes angels are also the creatures of Allah (S.A.W) our Aql don't say there are Jinns in this world but it is our believe in Allah's Word which says yes they are also the creatures of Allah (S.W.T). Aql has made people went astray from true path, so we should relay on Qur'an and Sunnah and not Aql.

Adam and Eve have been given Aql and they ate from the tree which have been made forbidden for them by Allah (S.W.T) so they were sent from Heaven to Earth due to their disobedience, their Aql wrong themselves. This is what their Aql did with them, so what Allah and Messenger (S.A.W) have forbidden for us we should not try to make them lawful for our self otherwise the same will happen with us as well.

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edited Mar 11 '13 at 08:42

a) You keep repeating that the Qur'an doesn't provide instructions for Salaat. For that, and for many other aspects of practice and lifestyle, Muslims rely on the Sunnah. Since there's no prohibition of music in the Qur'an, there's no problem. Muhammad (S) on the other hand was a product of a time and a culture, and therefore the Hadith have to be understood in context. You just need to follow the intention, or you'll be as bad as those guys who don't eat melon simply because there's no mention of Muhammad (S) eating melon in the hadith. Muhammad never mentioned Beethoven, but it's so obvious that that is different socially from the sex slave singing girls who were the defining feature of musical performance at the time which Muhammad (S) forbade people from listening to.

b) Your second paragraph makes it seem like you haven't been paying attention to this conversation. First of all, you seem to be completely oblivious to the ideas of learned behavior and social constructs, over which we have no control since we are a product of our surroundings and it's impossible for us to have a thought that is not rooted in trillions of other stimuli from our environment. And even that you say "haram music" implies that you are making the decision about what is haram and not. If that's the case, then you, pal, are adapting the sunnah to the modern world. It's nothing to be ashamed of - Muslims have been doing it since the 'ilm al-hadith began. Instead of just repeatedly insisting that you are following the Sunnah to the letter, man up and acknowledge that you only do so by using your 'aql on it.

It's obvious that there is a deep spirituality embedded in many kinds of music, and it's sad to see someone deny that based on a narrow self-deluding insistence that following the sunnah can be done without thinking. 'Aql is not just for big ideas, it's our basic method of understanding.

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