Did Hazrat Adam 'Alayhi salam say the kalimah tayyibat ?

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edited Apr 13 '13 at 12:05 Muhammad Abdul Ahad ♦ 1.8k2313 Muhammad%20Abdul%20Ahad's gravatar image

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@anii and @yaqin The thing here is that every Prophet alayhi salam of Allah (S.W.T) has said Kalima Tayyib in a sense that every Prophet alayhi salam preached the same message that is, "There is only one God" second thing every Prophet has given the glad tiding of Holy Prophet (SSAWLLALLAHU 'ALAYHI WA SALLAM). Some references are as follows Almighty God speaks to Moses (alayhi salam) in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18: "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him." Prophet Muhammad (SAWLLALLAHU 'ALAYHI WA SALLAM) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16: "Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem." "His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem." Now to your Question, I think you know when Adam (alayhi salam) was sent to the Earth he asked forgiveness in the name of Holy Prophet (SAWLLALLAHU 'ALAYHI WA SALLAM) as Adam (alayhi salam) remembered that when he was created he saw the name of Prophet Muhammad (SAWLLALLAHU 'ALAYHI WA SALLAM) with the name of Allah (S.W.T) written on The Throne of Allah (S.W.T). So, Yes Adam (alayhi salam) did proclaim Kalima Tayyiba. Hope you would be satisfied by the answer.

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edited Apr 18 '13 at 10:25 Muhammad Abdul Ahad ♦ 1.8k2313 Muhammad%20Abdul%20Ahad's gravatar image

The answer to this question is no,the hadeeth that some use to promote this has been graded as weak,Adam alayhi salam did say the shahadah which is La illa ha illalah but the tayyibat was given to the ummah of our Holy Prophet sws,the shahadah tayn is one of the five things given to our prophet that was not given to anyother and that is that his name will be mentioned when Allah names is mentioned and this declaration brings one into the folds of Islam as we know.

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Blessed believer this hadeeth that you are quoting has been graded as weak by shaykh al Banni,while it is true that all of the nabi came with the same declaration,which is Allah's sunnah,also the Holy Qur'an states in sura imram 81-82 about the covenant of the prophets,meaning that if the Rasul sws would appear in any of their lifetime that they would stop what they are doing and assist him ,but the question was did Adam alayhe salam proclaim kalima tayyiba,which is la illa ha illalah muhummmadar rasul Allah,and I state again that if the hadeeth is graded as weak then one can not say with Yaqin that this answer you gave is correct,Allah is the best knower,though we know that all the nabi proclaimed shahadah No Allah but Allah.

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salamou alaikum brother Yaqeen, do not forget that Allah taught prophet/father Adam ALL the names; "And He taught Adam the names – all of them. ..."(2:31)

And [recall] when Allāh took the covenant of the prophets, [saying], "Whatever I give you of the Scripture and wisdom and then there comes to you a messenger confirming what is with you, you [must] believe in him and support him." [Allāh] said, "Have you acknowledged and taken upon that My commitment?" They said, "We have acknowledged it." He said, "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."(3:81)

(Oct 29 '13 at 13:41) inclined2truth inclined2truth's gravatar image
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@inclined2truth beloved I'm well aware of what you have wrote, I myself in my response above this one mentioned the covenant of the prophets. But the question is did Adam state the kalima tayyibat?

(Oct 29 '13 at 14:33) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image
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The kalima tayyibat:

Laa ilaaha illallaahu Muhammadur rasoolullaah (Trans: There is none worthy of worship besides Allah, Muhammad [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam] is the messenger of Allah) 

The first part of it (Laa ilaaha illallallahu) was ennounced by Prophet Hazrat Adam 'Alayhi salam. Allah Subhanhu wa Teallah sent Messengers to deliver the good news of these words Lá iláha illalláh and to warn against whatever contradicts it and to understand its implications. All of Allah's messengers proclaimed this belief and uttered the kalima tayyibat. Sallaam.

(Oct 29 '13 at 15:28) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

Beloved stronghold you have presented the haqq, may Allah reward you. Salaam

(Oct 29 '13 at 15:55) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

May Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala reward you for being the guide. Salaam

(Oct 30 '13 at 05:30) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

@yaqin, brother there are 2 things regarding a weak hadith.

  1. The hadith doesn't have a strong chain of narrators but the meaning of hadith is true.
  2. There is some one in the chain of narrators who is not trust worthy.

Lets forget if you have doubts regarding my statement. But I believe you will not deny that on the Night Journey (Miraj), all the Prophets (PBUT) had offered salaah behind Holy Prophet (S.A.W) and it was the declaration of the Imamat of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) that Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) is the Prophet of Prophets, and we all know that when we sit during Salaah and raise the finger of Shahadah we say "Ash-hadu an-la-Ilaha ill-Allah Wa ash hadu anna Muhammadan 'abduhu wa Rasuluh" which means "I testify that there is no god save Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is the servant and messenger of Allah", so at this occasion every Prophet from Adam (a.s) to Holy Prophet (S.A.W) decalred Shahadah.

And The Translation of Kalima Tayyibah is, "There is no god but Allah, [and] Muhammad [peace be upon him] is the messenger of Allah"

Hope you will be satisfied by the answer.

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Im not understanding something

(Apr 16 '13 at 01:59) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

On the Night Journey, Holy Prophet (S.A.W) lead the prayer and all the Prophets (a.s) prayed behind him. And we all know when we perform salaah and during salaah when we sit and raise the finger of Shahada we say "Ash-hadu an-la-Ilaha ill-Allah Wa ash hadu anna Muhammadan 'abduhu wa Rasuluh" means "I testify that there is no god save Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is the servant and messenger of Allah" and Kalima Tayyibah is ""lā ilāha illa'llāh, muhammadun rasūlu'llāh" means "There is no god but Allah, [and] Muhammad [peace be upon him] is the messenger of Allah"

(Apr 16 '13 at 06:00) believer ♦ believer's gravatar image

So every Prophet from Adam (a.s) to Holy Prophet (S.A.W) proclaimed shahadah and when you say shahada it means you have also said Kalima Tayyiba. The thing is Kalima Tayyibah is the shortest kalima and 6 kalimas are complied from various hadiths for children to memorize them.

(Apr 16 '13 at 06:05) believer ♦ believer's gravatar image

So Isa (As) also went to pray with all.of them right?

(Apr 16 '13 at 10:36) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

The point to be noted here is that, the Souls of all the Prophets (a.s) were summoned to Masjid Al Aqsa to pray behind the Prophet of all Prophets Hazrat Muhammad (S.A.W) and this is why Holy Prophet (S.A.W) is called Imam al Mursaleen (Leader of the Messengers/Prophet of Prophets).

So, Yes the soul of Isa (a.s) has also attended the gathering because this is what I read from various sources that the souls of Prophets (a.s) was gathered except Holy Prophet (S.A.W) who was present in Physical.

And Allah knows best.

(Apr 16 '13 at 12:39) believer ♦ believer's gravatar image

Ok I want further discussion but not here. Thanks believer

(Apr 17 '13 at 00:36) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image
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@believer,Yes my blessed brother I do have a understanding of the system of Ilm Rijal,the gradeing of hadeeth,Shaykh Ul Islam has stated in a athar,"The one who looks at the Qur'an for proof needs just one thing;that it correctly proves the ruling.While the one who looks in the sunnah needs two things,first,that it is correctly attributed to the Rasul sws.Second,it correctly proves the ruling." Now, my blessed brother how do we do this? It has been reported on the authority of Abu Huraiah the Rasulalah sws stated,"There are many who misquote me,and one who misrepresent me has his abode in hell.When a report is reported to you on my behalf weigh it against the qur'an."This hadeeth is in four of the sahih sitta.Also,shaykh Uthameen stated in a athar,"There is no doubt that whatever is attributed to the Rasul sws must be authenticated.If the Jews say,"Musa said so and so,we will not accept it until we know the authenticity of its transmission to Musa."All praise be to Allah,the Rasul sws left us with a criteria to follow,it has been reported on the authority of Ibn Masood that the Rasul sws stated,"When a report is reported to you from me,put it before the book of Allah.If it agrees with the book of Allah accept it,otherwise reject it."So the truth of any hadeeth really resides on the Qur'an,for the system of Ilm Rijal was implemented in the second century after the time of the Rasulalah sws and his companions.But I accept your answer from the second hadeeth that you used for the Rasul sws did lead the Nabi Pbut in salat,and the Quran confirms the miraj.I have been taught that the shahadah is La illa ha illalah,and the shahadah tayn adds Muhammadun Rasulalah,the tayyibat isnot the shahadah,and the book entitled,"The sunnah and it's role in Islamic Legislation,by Mustafa As-Siba'ee,"he confirms what i have been taught.May Allah reward you.

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@yaqin

Brother I think you don't know that the hadith regarding Adam (a.s) is not going against the Holy Qur'an but I have already said to you that leave the hadith if you have doubts, so what you said in the above comment wasn't really necessary. I am glad that you accepted my second answer, but I want to clear one thing that is Shahadah means "To witness" and that is why we call the second Kalima "Kalimah Shahadah" of which the translation is "I bear witness that (there is) no god except Allah; One is He, no partner hath He, and I bear witness that Muhammad (Sall-Allahu Alayhi wa Sallam) is His Servant and Messenger". And "La illa ha illalah" is Tawhid.

You are right Kalima Tayyibah is not Shahadah but the thing is when we proclaim Shahadah then Kalima Tayyibah is in them already, so when you recite Kalima Shahadah you also said Kalima Tayyibah, do you get my point brother? And when every Prophet (a.s) proclaimed Shahadah it has Kalima Tayyibah in it as well, let me make it more easy,

Kalimah Tayyibah

"lā ilāha illa'llāh, muhammadun rasūlu'llāh"

There is no god but Allah, [and] Muhammad [peace be upon him] is the messenger of Allah.

Kalimah Shahadah

Ašhadu an lā ilāha illā'llāh waḥdah lā šarīka lahu, wa ašhadu anna muḥammadan ʿabduhu wa rasūluhu.

I bear witness that (there is) no god except Allah; One is He, no partner hath He, and I bear witness that Muhammad (Sall-Allahu Alayhi wa Sallam) is His Servant and Messenger.

Check the Arabic Text which I highlighted. Kalima Shahadah includes Kalima Tayyibah.

For better understanding you should know what are Kalimas and how they came to us. Six Kalimas are not provided in one hadith but taken from various hadiths by Muslims recorded in various books of knowledge for people to memorize and learn the fundamentals of Islam. And arranged in order by their meanings and lengthiness so Kalima Tayyibah is has lesser words then any other kalima so it is easier for children to memorize them and it doesn't mean the Kalima Shahadah is saying something else. so Kalima Tayyibah is not Kalima Shahadah but Kalima Shahadah includes Kalima Tayyibah, do you get my point?

check yourself brother, Kalima Shahadah is only addition to Kalima Tayyibah, the addition of "I bear witness that"

I think I have given you a much explanation on this so if you get my point then its good otherwise I can not give more explanation.

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@Believer First, let me say that I pray to Allah azza wal jall, that I have said nothing which has offended you,for I truly love you for the sake of Allah,and if I have then please accept my humble apology,with that said lets proceed.I understand your point,for you have made it clear,though I beg to differ slightly, but not enough to go further into this topic,for this forum is to learn not to confuse the people,so I humbly accept your answer,however, your statment about the hadeeth in question needs to be clarified,Shaykh Al banni has ruled it weak,but there are other shaykh's that has ruled it as a fabrication,such as,Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Shaakir,Abdur-Rahmaan Naasir as Sa'dee,and we both know that if something is a fabridation then it diffenitly goes against the Qur'an,now the status of the hadeeth, Allah is the best knower.May Allah reward you.

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@yaqin

Brother I don't know why you are still digging it when I myself said to you that you can leave the hadith regarding Adam (a.s) seen the name of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) on the Throne of Allah (S.W.T) and that is why I gave you another evidence from The Night Journey of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) by the Grace of Allah (S.W.T).

And regarding you said that Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Shaakir (January 29, 1892, Cairo – June 14, 1958) and Abdur-Rahmaan Naasir as Sa'dee (1889–1956) ruled it a Fabricated then you should consider this that both of then were very recent scholars and their knowledge is based on the writings of whom they have read. And there are many Scholars who have declared it sound, but I don't want to quote their names as I do not have any intention to start a debate between the scholars.

And the hadith is really doesn't go against the Holy Qur'an.

Its better to not talk about the hadith on which you have doubt.

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@believer you are correct and I humbly accept your advice,never do I want to be the vehicle of mischeif,with that said I close this topic and I beg Allah swt to guide the believers.Ameen

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@stronghold @abyadgirl this is a very good debate lets talk about hadeeths.

(Oct 29 '13 at 01:04) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

And regarding you said that Ahmad Ibn Muhammad Shaakir (January 29, 1892, Cairo – June 14, 1958) bút thử điện and Abdur-Rahmaan Naasir as Sa'dee (1889–1956) ruled it a Fabricated then you should consider this that both of then máy hiện sóng were very recent scholars and their knowledge is based on the writings of whom they have read. And there are many Scholars who have declared it sound, but I don't want to ampe kìm đo dòng dò quote their names as I do not have any intention to start a debate between the scholars.

And the hadith is really doesn't go against the Holy Qur'an.

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