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@Only

1: So the Bible is for the Israelites? Who are you?

Matthew 10:5-6 Here is just a summary: Some about not going to the Samaritans, but to the lost sheep of Israel. I am just wondering, who is the lost sheep of Israel?

You say: "If not you are of the children of Israel, then the Bible is not for you." Are you sure on this things? Gentiles were Non-Isralites, but it says do not go into the way of the Gentiles. Who are you? You understand?

My name is the only hope left. You say that: "You have not read the Bible yourself." Okey I shall do that, but first I hope you shall read Sura 2.136 one more time. It takes a good insight to feal the logaritme. You say: "The believers in the Quran is called the believers, and those deniers are called the disbelievers." I have to ask: "Are you sure on these things are rightful?"

• You tried to provide me summary? I can provide you full explanation. You have showed one more time that you haven’t read or understood the bible. Jesus (PBUH) had given instructions to his twelve disciples to convey his message and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every disease and every affliction and instructed them to go nowhere Gentiles (Non-Israelites) and Both Jews and Samaritans lived together, so Jesus (PBUH) said “Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” [Matthew 10:5-6]. And Jews were the lost sheep of Israel. I can quote you another verse which proves that Jesus (PBUH) was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel

• And Regarding you were asking me that “"If not you are of the children of Israel, then the Bible is not for you." Are you sure on this things?”, Yes, I am sure that if you were not belong to Children of Israel so neither Jesus (PBUH) not the Bible is sent for you. Here is another verse which clarifies it,

• Jesus answered, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel." [Matthew 15:24]

• And in response to my answers you have only asked me “Are you sure, Are you sure?” .Yes I am sure. And The believers of the Qur’an are called Muslims and deniers are called disbelievers.

2: Why you answer a question that says if you answered yes in the first one then you shall answer? But okey I shall continue. You say: "The quran is revealed to the whole mankind." But how can you be sure on this and deny other when you don´t even know who you are?

• I really don’t understand what have you said in first line, you need to improve your English. And what kind a useless question is that “But how can you be sure on this”, you don’t have any answer to my questions so you are just trying to go off topic. I am sure and I know who I am and it would be better if you remain on topic and give answers rather than asking me every time that am I sure on this or not.

3: You say: "Here it shows again that you have not read the Bible yourself." -If you can understand that God and his son are one, but to do something they need to work together. Then you understand the trinity, because God is in his son as his son is in God and the Holy Spirit is in them both as them both are in the Holy Spirit. For how can anyone on earth be alive without the Holy spirit? For the Holy Spirit is the goodness, if it was not for goodness then why would something be created? You say that Jesus says: "By myself I can do nothing." Can God do everything by himself? Must not God have someone to show the people the way, then if he did all by himself then why would there be anything to believe in. God must have a son to show the way, and some will chose to go against and others will follow. For who could do all things by himself? There are many humans that can do something by them self, but they need others to them for them don´t you think? So they do not do everything by them self, because then they would have done that. Because why would someone let others do the job, when they know others could screw up or do not so good. Why not do the whole job self?

• Lolz, Its really funny that you have given an example of we humans for God, that as we humans cannot do everything so God also needs others. I want to clarify one thing which you are mixing here, there is a clear difference between the statement of Jesus (PBUH) in the above verse and the Supreme Power of God. Jesus (PBUH) said it to prove it that he was not God and he never denied the Authority of God but said that he cannot do anything not that the Lord cannot do but Jesus (PBUH) cannot as he is a Prophet not God. Here is what Jesus (PBUH) said for the Lord. Following is a proof from Bible

• “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” [Luke 22:42]

• The above verse is the answer for you question regarding Trinity as well, that “If you can understand that God and his son are one, but to do something they need to work together” but the above verse from Bible clearly states that the will of Jesus (PBUH) has no part in the will of God and Jesus (PBUH) said himself yet not my will, but yours be done.” which proves that the will of God will be done and the will of Jesus (PBUH) doesn’t require for the God to do anything. Jesus (PBUH) in the above verse in front of his disciples prayed and said that he cannot do anything from his will but only the will of God will be done.

• As Holy Qur’an says,

• Truly, Allah is Able to do all things. [Holy Qur’an 2:148]

• Regarding you said “then if he did all by himself then why would there be anything to believe in.”, Holy Qur’an gives you answer

• Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation [united in religion], but [He intended] to test you in what He has given you; so race to [all that is] good. [Holy Qur’an 5:48]

• The above verse tells us that If Allah willed he would made us all in one religion but he (S.W.T) wanted to test us, what it means is that if Allah willed he would do anything, but it depends upon what Allah wants or not to be done but there is no objection in the authority of Allah. But opposite to that, Jesus (PBUH) said "By myself I can do nothing.", which means he cannot do anything from his own will whether he wanted or not which proves he is not God, and Jesus (PBUH) said “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” Jesus (PBUH) said for himself,

• I do nothing on my own but say only what the Father taught me. [John 8:28]

• And the Holy Qur’an says for Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W),

• Nor does he (Muhammad S.A.W) speak of (his own) desire. It is not but a revelation revealed [Holy Qur’an 53:3-4]

• [John 8:28] and [Holy Qur’an 53:3-4] both shows the character of a Prophet and not God. Jesus (PBUH) and Muhammad (S.A.W) both spoke not from their desire but whatever the God desired.

4: Okey now you are just difficult, show you some verses that says Jesus was God´s son. Ohh okey it is in Islam also. Properly I have to show you, but you will just shovel it down like all I say. Nothing is easy when nothing becomes hard. Render I shall but stated I shall not.

• Lolx what an excuse when you don’t have an answer. Show me if you are true, I am not afraid but you look afraid to me. You haven’t read the bible properly and now you are saying that you can teach me Islam Lol.

5: Sometimes light can be denied, but sometimes the answer lays just in front. Gotta see it, but then enlighten thee shall. Find the fly, but not around. Deal said as you open the truth. See it from another point of view, so you are not stuck. Imagine the opposite, so it is not become away...

• Then why don’t you apply it to yourself and see from another point view? Read these verses from the point of a non-christian,

• By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. [John 5:30]

• “Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done.” [Luke 22:42]

• So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. [John 8:28]

• But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. [Mark 13:32]

• As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?” “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. [Mark 10:17-18]

• The above verse [Mark 10:17-18] is specially pointing towards the Oneness of God and Jesus (PBUH) said himself “No one is good—except God alone. in response to a man saying him (Jesus PBUH) to be good so Jesus (PBUH) asked “Why do you call me good?” and further said “No one is good—except God alone.”

7: Yeah okey this is like it always is. Who are the people of Thamud?

• Thamud was an ancient Arabian tribe and Prophet Saleh (PBUH) was sent for this nation to give the message of Allah. Here is a link

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thamud

• You can also learn from the destruction of Pharaoh. Allah (S.W.T) showed many visible signs to Pharaoh but he denied and said that it was magic. So Allah (S.W.T) destroyed him. That is what happen when Allah (S.W.T) showed his signs and people still deny.

@The only hope left

1: Is the Bible only for the christians?

• Your question is wrong. Bible was for Israelites and the followers of Bible are called Christians. Here is a verse of Bible which proves this,

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. [Matthew 10:5-6]

Gentiles were Non-Israelite. And Jesus (PBUH) were instructing his followers to not to go with the message of Bible to Gentiles but instructing to go with the message to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. So, if you do not belong to Children of Israel the bible is not sent for your guidance.

@Only you are saying that we don’t understand the Holy Qur’an but you actually haven’t read the Bible yourself.

Holy Qur’an is revealed for whole mankind and the believers of Holy Qur’an are called Muslims [Believers] and the deniers are called Disbelievers.

2: If yes in the first one, then the Quran must be for the muslims.

• Answer given in above question. Holy Qur’an is revealed for whole mankind but the believers are called Muslims.

3: If no in the first one, then why have you not accepted Jesus as God and God´s son?

• Your question didn’t make sense. Why should we accept Jesus (PBUH) as son of God? Again it shows you haven’t read the Bible yourself, let me quote it for you what Jesus (PBUH) said for himself,

By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me. [John 5:30]

Imagine a person who says himself that By myself I can do nothing, and you are telling me to accept it as a god. A god which can do nothing by himself then who can do? It shows he was not God or son of God by the Prophet of Allah. Jesus (PBUH) never claimed divinity.

4: If you have not accepted Jesus as God and God´s son, then why have you not read and understood the Quran properly?

• No-where in the Holy Qur’an it says that Jesus (PBUH) was son of God but the Son of Mary (PBUH). You haven’t read the Bible yourself and saying that we didn’t understand the Holy Qur’an. Show me any verse from Holy Qur’an which says Jesus (PBUH) was the son of God.

5: If the Quran/Islam is for all people and you have understood it properly, then why have you not understood Sura 2.136? Here it is- Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to him do we submit.

• What you find wrong in the above verse? We Muslims do believe that all mentioned above are Prophets of Allah (May Allah send his Peace and Blessings Upon Them All) and we also believe in what was revealed to them. We believe in the Revelation which was revealed to Jesus (PBUH) but not the present corrupted Bible, because people have edited the Bible with their own hands plus it is not in the form in which it was revealed.

5: If you have understood number 5, then you shall understand this one also Sura 10:94: And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee. So be not thou of the waverers. And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then wert thou of the losers.

• Let me clear you for the above verse. God teaches his Prophets and as a teacher in a class-room cautions his students that “Be not like bad people, Go near not bad people, Do not take my words lightly” in the same sense Allah (S.W.T) was addressing the Holy prophet (S.A.W) that be not like doubters, it doesn’t mean that Holy Prophet (S.A.W) was in any kind a doubt but these words were meant for those who expressed doubts about his Message. As regards the reference to the people of the Book, it is because they possessed the Knowledge of the Scriptures, whereas the common people of Arabia lacked this, and were, therefore, strangers to the voice of the Quran. It was also expected that their just and pious scholars would testify that its Message was the same as that of the Scriptures of the former Prophets. You can read the text of Bible and Holy Quran and you will find many similar names and to some extent the similarities between the stories of prophets and every Prophet of Allah (S.W.T) came with the same message that “God is One”.

7: If the Quran is for the muslims, then why have not the muslims understood this one Sura 17:38- And nothing has prevented Us from sending signs except that the former peoples denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel as a visible sign, but they wronged her. And We send not the signs except as a warning.

• Your have quoted the reference wrong the verse is 17:59 and not 17:38. First look at the context of the verse, when the idolaters of Arabia were repeatedly asking Holy Prophet (S.A.W) to show a miracle (sign) from God, so as to warn those people this verse was revealed; you can clearly see that Allah (S.W.T) has quoted the destruction of Thamud in the verse after that when Allah (S.W.T) showed them his sign (she-camel) they wronged her and killed her so as a result of their disobedience Thamud was destroyed. A visible sign from God came as a blessing for the believers and becomes destruction for the disbelievers. So when Allah says “And nothing has prevented Us from sending signs except that the former peoples denied them.”, means it is not difficult for Allah (S.W.T) to show his sign and nothing has prevented Allah (S.W.T) from sending signs except what a destruction came with a sign for the disbelievers and then Allah (S.W.T) recalled the destruction of Thamud. In short when you ask for sign from Allah (S.W.T) you ask for your destruction in case you didn’t accept. So, the above verse is to warn the disbelievers, as if to say, "It is the mercy of Allah that He is not showing such a Sign so that you might mend your ways but in your folly you presume that such a Sign cannot be presented. You should know that a Sign is not being sent because its denial inevitably brings chastisement and the community is annihilated. You can learn from the past History that those communities which disbelieved in the open Signs were utterly destroyed, such as the people of Thamud.

And regarding you saying that you are trying to give us the straightway. but actually you are on straight way to astray path which only makes you away from way of God.

Be a Christian and all your life you will be surrounded by questions with no answers. Be a Muslim and you will have every answer for your questions.

I have few questions to be answered from you as well, please provide me answers for the followings,

1. Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… ‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’. How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day? - It is unscientific.

2. Further, the, Bible says Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13… ‘Earth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth ? The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day?

3. Genesis, Ch. No. 1 Verses 9 to 13 says… ‘Earth was created on the third day.’ Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses 14 to 19 says…‘The Sun and the Moon were created on the fourth day.’ Today science tells us… ‘Earth is part of the parent body… the sun.’ It cannot come into existence before the sun – It is unscientific.

4. The Bible says in Genesis, Ch. No.1, Verse No. 11 to 13…‘The vegetation, the herbs the shrubs, the trees - they were created on the 3rd day And the Sun, Genesis, Ch. No. 1, Verses. 14 to 19, was created on the 4th day. How can the vegetation come into existence without sunlight, and how can they survive without sunlight ?

5. Further, if we read, in Ezra Ch. No. 2, Verse No. 65, it says…There were 200 singing men and women - Nehemiah Ch. No. 7, Verse No. 67…‘There were 245 singing men and women.’ Were they 200 - or were they 245 singing men and women? Context is the same - A mathematical contradiction.

6. Further, it is mentioned in the 1st Kings, Ch. No 7, Verse No 26, that…‘In Solomon’s temple, in his molten sea, he had 2000 baths. In 2nd Chronicles, Ch. No 4, Verse No 5, he had 3000 baths. Did he have 2000 baths or did he have 3000 baths?. There is a clear-cut mathematical contradiction.

First of all I have answered all your questions in your post and have proven what you have said is wrong or have answered your question. You could go back and look. Yet you say your confused but preach Christianity. You just want to bring your erred belief to people. I don't think you even read my post. I will answer all your answered 1-7 and show you what you wrote makes absolutely no sense.

1)it does not matter if it is for Christians or not. It is not what the prophet Jesus revealed, but 1000s of changes by men

2)the Quran is for all humans

3)because god is not need of anyone (not even a son. He is rich from all things). This was never the saying Jesus but created by men. The are verses in the bible were he said he is not a son of a god, or god. Which to believe, what a clear contridiction. How can we follow such a book

4) we have read it properly. It states he was a prophet.not a god or a son of god.so what you suggest has no basis.

5) we believe and make no distinction. Rather it is the Christians and the Jews who make distinction, calling him a son of god or god. How does this make sense.

6)yes it says before thee. The true followers of Jesus and Moses. You are not before the prophet rather after. Not even after because you don't even follow the teaching of Jesus, but of man. How can you believe in the bible of today with changes and contridiction.

7) you don't even understand the verse. It is actually is referring to you. No matter even if you were shown this miracle you will still not believe. Because all you have is faith with no reason. With all the mistakes in your book yet you call it holy, and even follow it.

It says "we" because back then and now, it is a royal WE. For example, the king says "we decree etc" though it is only him. In addition, this is the translation and not in Arabic so there is no word In the English language to define the actual word.

@Confused Soul

Subhan Allah, Allah (S.W.T) has given you answer and you have also quoted it yourself but you didn't notice or believed and that is exactly what Holy Qur'an says,

And those who disbelieved say, "Why has a sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, [O Muhammad], "Indeed, Allah leaves astray whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back [to Him] - [13:27]

The thing is you are a disbeliever and you are saying exactly what the above verse is referring and Allah (S.W.T) has already given you answer "Indeed, Allah leaves astray whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back [to Him] -

Its a miracle itself.

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Mentioned Miracle of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) in Holy Qur'an:

1. The Moon Splitting Miracle

The Meccan people requested Allah's Apostle to show them a miracle, and so he showed them the splitting of the moon. The Moon had split into two distinct parts in front of their very eyes. The two parts had separated and receded so much apart from each other that to the on-lookers in Mecca one part had appeared on one side of the mountain and the other on the other side of it. Then, in an instant the two had rejoined. But the disbelievers described it as a magical illusion and persisted in their denial.

There is a very old tradition in Malabar, South-West Coast of India, that Chakrawati Farmas, one of their kings, had observed the splitting of the moon, the celebrated miracle of the Prophet Mohammad (S.A.W) at Mecca, and learning on inquiry that there was a prediction of the coming of a Messenger of God from Arabia, he appointed his son as regent and set out to meet him. He embraced Islam at the hand of the Prophet, and when returning home, at the direction of the Prophet, died at the port of Zafar, Yemen, where the tomb of the "Indian king" was piously visited for many centuries.

The old manuscript in the 'India Office Library' contains several other details about King Chakrawati Farmas and his travel. The incident relating to King Chakrawati Farmas is documented in an old manuscript in the India Office Library, London, which has reference number: Arabic, 2807, 152-173. It was quoted in the book "Muhammad Rasulullah," by M. Hamidullah.*

The following verses of Quran is Surah Qamar are refereeing to the famous miracle of the Holy Prophet, recorded in several authentic traditions of the companions, particularly of the Ahl ul Bayt whose evidence is always true, performed at the insistent demand of the pagans and the Jews. The Jews who saw this miracle became Muslims but Abu Jahl said: "This is magic continuous".

Surat Al-Qamar

1. The Hour has come near, and the moon has split [in two].
2. And if they see a miracle, they turn away and say, "Passing magic."
3. And they denied and followed their inclinations. But for every matter is a [time of] settlement.
4. And there has already come to them of information that in which there is deterrence -
5. Extensive wisdom - but warning does not avail [them].
6. So leave them, [O Muhammad (S.A.W)]. The Day the Caller calls to something forbidding,
7. Their eyes humbled, they will emerge from the graves as if they were locusts spreading,
8. Racing ahead toward the Caller. The disbelievers will say, "This is a difficult Day."

Holy Qur'an is the biggest Miracle itself.

So now by the help of Allah (S.W.T) I have showed you the mentioned miracle of Holy Prophet (S.A.W) in the Holy Qur'an. So, do you believe now @Confused Soul or would you deny ?

No were in the Quran did it say that the prophet Muhammed peace be upon him  was not able to perform miracle. I will write every verse you wrote down and prove you wrong.

I wonder how can you derive that prophet could not perform miracles to any these verses or any verse in the Quran. Mostly all the verses say the Allah did not send any more miracles (to the disbeliever) becuase they will still not believe, with all the sighns and miracle that were already sent, or he was only a warner (it did not say he could not do miracles, rather he was a Warner who did perform miracle).

And nothing has prevented Us from sending signs except that the former peoples denied them. And We gave Thamud the she-camel as a visible sign, but they wronged her. And We send not the signs except as a warning.[17:59]

And they say, "Why does he not bring us a sign from his Lord?" Has there not come to them evidence of what was in the former scriptures?[20:133]

And those who disbelieved say, "Why has a sign not been sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, [O Muhammad], "Indeed, Allah leaves astray whom He wills and guides to Himself whoever turns back [to Him] -[13:27]

And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, "The signs are only with Allah ." And what will make you perceive that even if a sign came, they would not believe.[6:109]

But they say, "Why are not signs sent down to him from his Lord?" Say, "The signs are only with Allah , and I am only a clear warner."[29:50]

He sends down from the sky, rain, and valleys flow according to their capacity,  torrent carries a rising foam. And from that [ore] which they heat in the fire, desiring adornments and utensils, is a foam like it. Thus Allah presents [the example of] truth and falsehood. As for the foam, it vanishes, [being] cast off; but as for that which benefits the people, it remains on the earth. Thus does Allah present examples.[3:7]

Or you have a house of gold or you ascend into the sky. And [even then], we will not believe in your ascension until you bring down to us a book we may read." Say, "Exalted is my Lord! Was I ever but a human messenger?"[17:93]

They did not believe because he was a human just like other prophets were denied by others.

And what prevented the people from believing when guidance came to them except that they said, "Has Allah sent a human messenger?"

And he turned away from them and said, "O my people, I had certainly conveyed to you the messages of my Lord and advised you, so how could I grieve for a disbelieving people?"[7:93]

So there is nowhere in the Quran that says that he brought miracles. Did u read the verses or you got it from a source that bashes Islam. This religion is perfect and their will be a day when everyone will accounted for.  You will not get a second chance after death because the message is clear and even if person was given the chance he will still not believe. If you die this instant what will you say to your lord?

Okay Inshaa Allah. @Sinner slave with failure, Thanks for that + I don't think u r a failure because you've realized your mistakes. Always seek Allah's forgiveness, Jannah and perform midnight prayer. Allah is the Greatest, Most Merciful and Forgiving.

Prophet Muhammad sal ALLAHU alaihi wa sallam is the last prophet but he is their leader.PROPHET INSA JESUS WAS GIVEN THE POWER TO INVOKE ALLAH SUBHANA WAT'ALA in helping him to heal people,raise dead.and it will be granted e.t.c.PROPHET MUSA ALAYHIS SALLAM WAS GIVEN THE ABILITY TO PERFORM MAGIC.e.t.c.those Prophets Alayhim sallam were given different power due to the kind of people the are with.JESUS Ability to heal because of there were many diseaseas then.MOSES ability to perform magic because the people like seeing different magic.PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAL ALLAHU ALAIHI WA SALLAM WAS GIVEN THE ABILITY TO PERFORM ANY KIND OF MIRACLE E.G Splitting of the moon,walking of a tree,giving water to thirsty people from his 1st finger,crying of the date palm because the Prophet doesnt deliver sermom on it by standing and the tree stopped crying when the Prophet pet and return to it among which i can not say again. PROPHET MUHAMMAD SAL ALLAHU ALAIHI WA SALLAM WAS THE LEADER OF ALL PROPHETS ALAHIM SALLAM. HE WILL BE THE ONE TO BEG/ask ALLAHU SUBHANA WAT'ALA FOR The commencement of the judgement which ALLAH SUBHANA WAT'ALA WILL NOT GIVE OTHER PROPHETS THE ABILITY TO DO.

2:285 the messenger has believed in what was revealed to him from his lord, and [so have] the believers. all of them have believed in allah and his angels and his books and his messengers, [saying], "we make no distinction between any of his messengers" and they say, "we hear and we obey. [we seek] your forgiveness, our lord, and to you is the [final] destination.

allah rabbul alamin knows the best