Sometime ago I was reading the works of a shaykh, who's name I will not mention,and he said in his book that the sunnah can abrogate the Qur'an, do anyone have any proof of this?

asked 765830 yaqin's gravatar image
edited May 30 '13 at 06:49 Muhammad Abdul Ahad ♦ 1.8k2313 Muhammad%20Abdul%20Ahad's gravatar image

Sunnah never goes against Qur'an. So the answer is NO

Brother you should provide reference of that Shaykh so it will be easier for us to give you the correct answer. As we have to read the context also.

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answered 1.2k16 believer's gravatar image

Brother believer, in volume two of Al-Aqidah Al Wasitiyyah translated by uthameen, ibn Taymiyah made this claim on pages 12 and 13, may Allah have Mrecy on him. now I have done my homework and came to know that there is two opinions about this,so I await you response,but I agree with you.

(May 01 '13 at 19:53) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

The Sunnah does not go against the Quran, but comes with it, they are inseparable. As a scholar has said The sunnah explains the Quran, but the Quran does not explain the Sunnah, for there is no need to. The Quran is in need for the sunnah, because the Sunnah also a form of Wahi is there to explain the Quran , and this is clear in verse 44 of Surat Annahl. Furthermore I would like to point out that the Quran and the Authentic sunnah never contradict, the only contradiction is the understanding of people of them. That is why it is important to understand the Quran and Sunnah the way the sahabah understood it, for the Prophet said they were the best of generations, and then the ones after them and the ones after them.

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answered 31877 Al%20Ummat's gravatar image

@Al Ummat Shaykh Ul Islam, did not say that the sunnah contradicts the Qur"an,he said that it abrogates it and this means: "TO ABOLISH, DO AWAY WITH, OR ANNUL, ESPECIALLY BY AUTHORITY," SO THIS MEANS THAT HE IS SAYING THAT THE SUNNAH CAN ABOLISH THE QUR'AN BY AUTHORITY! NOW I MUST ASK YOU DID ANY OF THE SAHABAH, THE TABI'OON OR THE AT TABI'OON, UNDERSTAND THE SUNNAH THIS WAY? IF SO THEN SHOW ME THE WRITINGS OF ANY OF THE SALAF WHICH AGREES WITH THIS STATEMENT. I WILL GIVE YOU HIS SATATEMENT, SHAYKH UL ISLAM PROOFS FOR HIS STATEMENT: "ALLAH HAS SENT DOWN TO YOU THE BOOK AND AL HIKMAH (THE SUNNAH)." (SURA 4:113) "AND THE PROPHET SWS ALSO SAID,"I SHOULD NOT FIND ANYONE OF YOU RECLINING ON HIS COUCH,WHILE ONE OF MY ODERS COME TO HIM,SAYING: " WE DONOT KNOW OF THIS! WHATEVER WE FIND IN THE BOOK OF ALLAH, WE FOLLOW IT! BEHOLD I WAS GIVEN THE BOOK AND IT'S LIKE ALONG WITH IT." THE SHAYKH THEN STATES," THAT IS WHY THE CORRECT POSITION IS THAT THE QUR'AN CAN BE ABROGATED (ABOLISHED, DONE AWAY WITH, ANNUL, BY AUTHORITY) BY THE SUNNAH ONCE IT IS AUTHENTICATED FROM THE RASUL SWS AND THAT IS POSSIBLE, BOTH ACCORDING TO THE INTELLECT, AND THE LEGISLATION."

I AWAIT YOUR REPLY!

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answered 765830 yaqin's gravatar image

@yaqin I have checked the book and pages mentioned and absolutely nowhere do I find such text.

(May 02 '13 at 08:54) Al Ummat ♦ Al%20Ummat's gravatar image

My brother, I have the book in my hand,it is translated by shaykh uthameen this statement begins at the end of page 12 and ends on page thirteen,and this is in volume two for it is two volumes to this book.You do know that other shaykhs have wrote on this work so you cant have the one Im speaking about for it is there Im looking at it now,but for the record I will give you the two opinions on this topic.Again it is Al-Aqidah Al Wasitiyyah volume 2 commentary by shaykh Utameen, and may Allah forgive you for your insinuation that Im lieing.Salam

(May 02 '13 at 15:27) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@yaqin firstly, brother I never said you were lying, I simply stated what I found. secondly the book I linked to was Volume two of the Sharh/explanation/commentary of Sheikh Al Uthaymeen (in Arabic) to Al Aqida Al Waasitiyah. And the pages I was reading from the Arabic text, was 9 and on wards, and then it starts in to a new section, so what I have read I didn't see anything claiming such. But I looked again, and I saw that before the end (start of a new chapter) on page 9, it says before it "إذا السنة مقامها مع القران...) meaning "The place of the sunnah is with the Quran". Perhaps

(May 02 '13 at 16:34) Al Ummat ♦ Al%20Ummat's gravatar image

I am not reading in the correct place, but I am reading in the correct book and volume by Sheikh Al Uthaymeen. Perhaps you can provide me with an online copy of what you are reading so that I can read the section you are talking about, and perhaps I can explain better.

(May 02 '13 at 16:37) Al Ummat ♦ Al%20Ummat's gravatar image

MY BROTHER I PRAY THAT I HAVE NOT OFFENDED YOU,THAT IS NOT MY INTENTIONS,THE BOOK I AM READING FROM HAS BEEN TRANSLATED INTO ENGLISH I SUPPOSE THAT IS WHY WE ARE READING IN TWO DIFFERENT PLACES AGAIN I DO APOLOGIZE IF I OFFENDED YOU IN ANYWAY.

(May 02 '13 at 18:30) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@yaqin do not worry you have not offended me. to tell the truth, I was kind of worried that I offended you, I apologize for the misunderstanding.

(May 02 '13 at 19:08) Al Ummat ♦ Al%20Ummat's gravatar image
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@Al Ummat My brother,this position is nothing new in Islam,the shcolars of old had to deal with this mindset also,as I will show.Now let's deal with the two opinions; the first is Imam Hanafi's and I quote," The book maybe abrogated by authentic sunnah and the widespread sunnah (well known and acepted by the scholars), but it may not abrogate by the Ahad narration. Both authentic sunnah (Mutawatir) and the widespread narrations are kinds of revelation that are not recited; therefore they abrogate the book (Qur'an)." I seek refuge with Allah from that. Now for the second opinion; The opinion of the MAJORITY: IT IS NOT PERMISSIBLE FOR THE BOOK TO BE ABROGATED BY THE SUNNAH, REGARDLESS WHETHER IT IS A MUTAWATIR, WIDESPREAD OR AHAD NARRATIONS. REPRESENTING THE VEIW OF THE MAJORITY, IMAM SHAFI'EE MENTIONED THE FOLLOWING PROOF: " WHATEVER VERSE (REVELATION) DO WE ABROGATE OR CAUSE TO BE FORGOTTEN, WE BRING A BETTER ONE OR SIMILAR TO IT." (SURA 2:106) "SHAFI'EE STATES, " THE SUNNAH IS NEITHER BETTER THAN NOR SIMILAR TO THE QUR'AN, FURTHERMORE, ALLAH SAID," SAY O MUHAMMAD: IT IS NOT FOR ME TO CHANGE IT ON MY OWN ACCORD; I ONLY FOLLOW THAT WHICH IS REVEALED TO ME." (SURA 10:15) " THIS SHOWS THAT HE SWS FOLLOWED ALL THAT WAS REVEALED TO HIM AND THAT HE DIDNOT CHANGE ANYTHING ON HIS OWN ACCORD-AND A ABROGATION IS A FORM OF CHANGE." (IMAM SHAFI'EE)

MUSTAFA AS-SIBA'EE(THE AUTHOR OF THE BOOK -THE SUNNAH AND ITS LEGISLATION) STATES IN HIS BOOK IN WHICH YOU CAN GET THESE FACTS FROM UNDER THE CHAPTER, THE ABROGATION OF THE QUR'AN, AND I QUOTE," WITHOUT A DOUBT,THE OPINION OF THE MAJORITY IS CLOSER TO THE TRUTH,AND THERE IS NO DEFINTITE EXAMPLE OF THE SUNNAH ABROGATING THE QUR'AN. THE EXAMPLES MENTIONED BY IMAM HANAFI ARE NOT APPLICABLE, WHEN WE SAY THAT THE SUNNAH CANNOT ABROGATE THE BOOK, WE ARE CLOSER TO PROTECTING THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH SWS FROM THE ATTACKS OF THOSE WHO SHOW ENMITY TO ISLAM" (READ SURA 16:101-102) MY BROTHER,IMAM HANBAL WAS OF THE SAME OPINION AS HANAFI, MAY THE MERCY OF ALLAH BE ON ALL THE IMAMS,SO SHAYKH UL ISLAM POSITION IS WHAT WAS TAUGHT TO HIM FROM THE SCHOOL OF THOUGHT HE FOLLOWED.IN HIS WASITIYYAH HE HIMSELF STATED WHAT THE BROTHER MUSTAFA HAS,"HOWEVER,THERE IS NO SOUND EXAMPLE FOR THAT." THIS IS THE WORDS OF SHAYKH UL ISALM, MY BROTHER MY REASON FOR BRINGING THIS QUESTION IS FOR US TO LEARN,INSHALLAH, I WILL NEVER MAKE UP SOMETHING AND ATTRIBUTE IT TO SOMEONE THAT HAS NOT SAID IT,UNLESS YOU ARE OF THE MINDSET THAT I MADE UP THE TWO OPINIONS? BE THAT AS IT MAY,I HAVE QOUTED FROM THE BOOK AND THE CHAPTER THIS INFORMATION IS IN DON'T TAKE MY WORD FOR IT CHECKED OUT FOR YOURSELF, I DONOT TAKE ANYTHING AWAY FROM THOSE THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO ISLAM IN SUCH AWAY AS THE FOUR IMAMS,ALSO SHAYKH UL ISLAM. IM MERELY POINTING OUT WHAT HAS BEEN DEBATED. NOW I MUST ASK YOU WHAT IS YOUR POSITION? MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU, SALAM.

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answered 765830 yaqin's gravatar image

Firstly it is impossible for the sunnah to abrogate the Quran, as well as it is impossible that the Authentic Sunnah and the Quran can contradict, they do not. Now there are things in the Authentic Sunnah that isn't in the Quran, that we must accept and have faith in, whether it is from a Hadith Mutawatir or from an Ahaad Hadith. As for what the scholars you have cited above as saying, I do not know them as saying that so I cannot really comment in that area. Furthermore perhaps the english translation has defects, especially the word Abrogate. And Allah A'laam. The correct position on

(May 02 '13 at 19:04) Al Ummat ♦ Al%20Ummat's gravatar image

the sunnah is that it explains the Quran, and that the Quran needs it for it is it's explanation/tafseer. Also whatever the Prophet made haram is like what Allah made haram, and Sunnah in it of it's self is revelation. We are to accept what the Prophet brought/ordered us, and whatever he prohibited we are to obey, this is clear in Surat Al Hashar Ayah 7.

(May 02 '13 at 19:07) Al Ummat ♦ Al%20Ummat's gravatar image

YES MY BROTHER WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS THE HAQQ,I DOUBT IF THE ENGLISH HAS A DEFECT,BUT THE BOOK I MENTIONED BY THE BROTHER MUSTAFA AS-SABA'EE IS IN ARABIA CHECK IT OUT AND LET ME KNOW WHAT YOU FIND,IM GLAD TO KNOW THAT YOU KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS,FOR I HAVE FOUND BROTHERS THAT ADHERE TO THIS MISCONCEPTION,MAY ALLAH AZZA WAL JALL GUIDE THEM.SALAM

(May 02 '13 at 22:33) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@stronghold @abyadgirl this debate is crucial do to the fact that this concept is being promoted.

(Oct 29 '13 at 00:51) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

al ummat, i've had servers muslims tell me the the 24th surah 2nd verse arbogates (rajam)stoning for adulterers which is found multiple times in the sunnah.

also, the 60th surah i think around 7th verse says you can make treaties with the disbelivers. this being at the time of the treaty of hudayyahidah(something like that) and then in 5:51 around the time of the farewell pilgramage it says not to take the jews or christians for allies, they are but allies to one another, and to do so you become one of them and allah does not guide such evildoers....

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