Do the name Allah and God share the same attributes?

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Here is my proof brother, bring yours salaam

(Dec 04 '13 at 23:21) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

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Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

There are a number of conditions which must be met for it to be permissible to translate the meanings of the names and attributes of Allah into a language other than Arabic:

  1. The one who is translating the words should have deep knowledge of the Arabic language and of the language into which he is translating.

  2. He should be trustworthy in his translation.

  3. He should have knowledge of sharee‘ah and he should be a follower of Ahl as-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa‘ah, otherwise he cannot be trusted not to introduce misguided and deviant beliefs into his translation.

For a fatwa from the scholars discussing the conditions of this matter being permissible, please see the answers to questions no. 9347 and 98553

Secondly:

One of these rulings is swearing oaths. Oaths may be sworn by any of the names and attributes of Allah, may He be exalted, even if that is in a language other than Arabic. Whoever utters these words referring to the Lord, may He be glorified and exalted, then his oath is binding and he must offer expiation if he breaks it.

Ibn Hazm said: There is no (valid) oath except one that is sworn by Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, either by one of His names or by one of the attributes that He has told us of, and not referring to anyone other than Him, such as the Controller of the hearts, the Inheritor of the earth and everything on it, the One in Whose hand is my soul, the Lord of the Worlds, and so on. That may be said in all languages. Or (one may swear) by the knowledge of Allah, or by His power, His might, His majesty, and so on, as mentioned in the text. If a person swears by any of that, he has indeed sworn an oath and if he breaks it then he must offer expiation.

End quote from al-Muhalla, 8/30

Ibn al-Humaam al-Hanafi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: If he says in Farsi “I swear by God”, this is an oath by Allah.

End quote from Fath al-Qadeer, 5/76

Whatever the case, whoever refers by these words to the Lord of the Worlds, then the shar‘i rulings (on oaths) come into effect. If a person swears an oath in his own language referring to the One Lord, then the oath is binding.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allah have mercy on him) said: The Lord, may He be glorified, may be referred to in Arabic as Allah, ar-Rahmaan (the Most Gracious), ar-Raheem (the Most Merciful), and in Farsi as Khoda and so on, but He, may He be glorified, is One, and there are many ways to refer to Him.

End quote from al-Fataawa al-Kubra, 6/568

But what the Muslim should use in his worship, his du‘aa’ (supplication) and all other circumstances when referring to Allah, may He be exalted and glorified, is the word “Allah” as it is, because that has become a symbol for the Muslims and something that distinguishes them, and it helps to avoid any confusion between what they mean and what others mean when they say “God”, as others may sometimes be referring to Allah, but sometimes they may be referring to something else.

Everything that we have mentioned above applies to one who does not have a good knowledge of Arabic; as for the one who has a good knowledge of Arabic, it is permissible for him to use the translated words in order to explain Islam and help others to understand it. But when offering du‘aa’ or swearing oaths, he has to avoid doing that with words other than the known Arabic words for the divine names and attributes, as they are confirmed in the Qur’aan and Sunnah.

And Allah knows best. @yaqin I can see why You say the two Names do not share attributes, I know I worship Allah subhana wa ta'ala . I will always call him by this name . I posted this because I came across it and it deals more with difference of languages, simply I want to know what you think. As my arabic is weak and I dont know much at all. I am patiently waiting to see what you think .

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@ sadie

kazalla Llah Kheyr

i read you loud and clear; thank you and I LEAVE the Forum(for the sake of ISLAM)

(Jun 08 '13 at 01:51) el ebdaa el%20ebdaa's gravatar image
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Im suddenly very confused. Your leaving? Why?

(Jun 08 '13 at 04:03) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Al hamdulilahee this topic is needed.

(Oct 07 '13 at 11:12) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@yaqin,, I tried to find your book on Hellenism, but could not find it in the community section,,, Also, i read this article with interest, as you know a certain someone has bombarded me with questions about the word, God, Allah.,, but for el ebdaa to vanish is a shame. I realised a few things, when you wrote to me on shirk, forgive me , i felt a little accused of doing wrong, May Allah forgive me for not taking criticism, Allah knows I need it,,to better myself, but do you think some words spoken can cause a person to take offence, perhaps, el ebdaa ?? As words can do good and harm too

(Oct 15 '13 at 08:43) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image

@Abyadgirl I really don't understand why the brother left and yes words can be offensive, but when I was only reminding you of something I did it for the sake of Allah. It's best to be hurt by the truth than to be comforted by lies. As far as hellenism send an email address and i will send it to you immediately. Just send me a private message on the community. I just sent the brother stronghold a copy yesterday. Beloved sister I pray nothing I have said offended you for that was not my intentions, if I did please forgive me. Inshallah I will hear from you soon. Salam and may Allah guide you.

(Oct 15 '13 at 10:07) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@yaqin you did not offend me, I was refering to @sadie, after she wrote about reading Arabic, and then @el ebdaa left. I sent you a message, hope it got to you !

(Oct 16 '13 at 07:09) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image
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@sadie keep in mind that we practice our Islam with the Itteebah of the Rasul, may Allah have mercy upon him, meaning that we do what the Rasul sws said to do or we do what he did, anything else is not accepted. In my answer I began with two concepts that are very important in our deen; now I must ask you, " Are those that call on God, which by the way, is a Greek word ,that found its way into the english language,upon the Haqq that was brought by the Rasul sws? Did the Rasul ever refer to Allah as such, is god a taghut or not? Yes, I like what you posted and I see the point you are making,but keep in mind it is wajib (mandatory) that all Muslims pray in Arabic reguardless of what language they speak, now lets say one speaks spanish, is it permissible to for him to say in the name of Dios, and his prayer be accepted. I tell you no, it would not be for the Rasul sws said to pray as you see him pray, and when one take an oath then we take an oath the way he did, and no one can show me any proof that He ever called on Allah by any other title than the ones revealed, these names are attached to defintions that goes against the teachings of Islam. I thank you for your post and I pray that you keep studying and may Allah increase you in knowledege. May Allah guide you

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This another topic that needs to be read. For this is something we muslims have fallen into...

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I say again this topic needs to be read and firmly understood.

(Jun 15 '13 at 13:00) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

I agree with you brother . As so many don't speak Arabic as their native tounge.

(Jun 15 '13 at 14:08) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

@yohan it is wrong to associate the name of Allah with any name that has its roots in paganism any translator that does this has confirmed the words of the Rasul, may Allah have mercy on him, has stated, "My ummah will follow the people of the book so much that if they go into a lizard hole they will follow."(sahih muslim) It bothers me when people like yourself look at the textual proof and ignore the facts, I suggest you re-read my answers and please when you make a comment that has anything to do with ebadah you support it with textual proof. To acquire the level of khushoo, ihsan, at-rida, one can never do so calling on taghuts. This is the haqq and I have supported it with textual proof... Salaam

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A Muslim said to me that Allah is not God by definition, so Allah can not have the same attributes as God.

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I said it to you and if you can read you will know why. But of coarse the jinn that posesses you have you most ignorant. Ignorance not meaning stupid ignorance meaning you ignore facts.just flip to the first page and read the debate in its entirety. Facts needs no support.

(Oct 02 '13 at 16:05) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

But you shall divide God and one that is not God, should you not?

(Oct 02 '13 at 16:17) UnknownUser UnknownUser's gravatar image

omg, way to go yaqin. now you flanders in on this. so does yohan have the same attributes as abdul rauf as mike? so many names since june. a rose by any other name is still as sweet. you know what is funny yaqin? here in america muslims are climbing over themselves to convince the christians that allah is just arabic for god. it's a lot of work you mean to overturn. so what do you think about the christians in indonesia who were using the word allah in their services. the muslims there were pissed. so allah was a new word 1400 years ago. what year and month is it?

(Oct 02 '13 at 16:20) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

If so then Allah is not God as pointed by Yaqin. And that makes sence, for Allah is just graven image...

(Oct 02 '13 at 16:25) UnknownUser UnknownUser's gravatar image

Arabic speaking christians say Allah and so does their bibles. Any one that has a problem with one using the name Allah or Yaweh is upon misguidance. No Allah was not a new title, as far as date I don't know.What you say is correct about what is going on gere in america with muslims but they are wrong. There god is not my creator. I stand on that.

(Oct 02 '13 at 16:36) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image
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i think ya got his point backwards. he's not saying that allah isn't the creator or the one true supreme being. he is saying that you can't call the creator/supreme being/allah - "god", because that word is derived from the pagan word gad. which i guess was a particular pagan god/idol. it would be like calling allah zeus. he is not saying there is multiple creators, he simple is saying that you can't call him "god". or else you are imitating the pagans.

(Oct 02 '13 at 16:44) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

he is saying that you worship the same supreme being, (i think, i don't want to speak for anyone else) but the english word "god" derived from gad is a mislabling. it seems a moot point to me, but he takes it very seriously.

(Oct 02 '13 at 16:45) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

You know Yaweh is Elohim?

(Oct 02 '13 at 16:46) UnknownUser UnknownUser's gravatar image

Flanders what are you talking about? Make sense beloved, I didn't post this for you it was done for the brother stronghold.

(Oct 02 '13 at 16:51) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

If Muslim´s shall keep going on with denying life then they don´t know what is real. For in the time when there was one that started it all by creating him self as to a life or as a God, he then had to be special or he had to be marvelous. For who can live without life? All is happy that it started in the first beginning, but how can there be life without a God or a life??

(Oct 02 '13 at 16:59) UnknownUser UnknownUser's gravatar image

yaqin, you didn't just say "here in america" did you? don't tell me you are an american. i notice xerox on your book, but they are international, i thought you were in arabia?

(Oct 02 '13 at 17:33) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image
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Yes mike im an american.

(Oct 03 '13 at 09:57) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

How many pages a month do you all print? Let's get Xerox out of there. They are probably raking you over the coals. If you are around 50,000 pages or more, I can get you HP printers, all your toner and all your maintanence for a penny a page. The Gartner Institute did a study, and it was years ago, the average American company spends between 3 and 5 cents on every page printed. If your paper is half a cent then your total cost with us would be 1.5 cents. 50% savings at least.

(Oct 03 '13 at 13:08) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image
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Allah is the same God that all the prophets, including Jesus, in the Holy worshipped and called their adherents to believe in and to worship, hence, the claim that the god of Muslims is not the god of the Holy Book is absurd and untenable. Cognates of the name "Allah" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic. In Islam all the prophets were sent to humanity to lead them to the One God" Allah" and they were strict and uncompressing about the concept of monotheism which later was tampered by the human concepts which either distorted the pure concept of Lordship as in the old Testament or made God one person among three persons as in Christianity and Judaism, the first according to the Islamic culture is called the distortion of the concept of unification of Lordship and the other is called the distortion of Godhood. The name" Allah" in Arabic is so great because it includes all the meanings of the other fine names which amount to 99 names. In Islam" Allah" cannot bordered in a certain place, nor can time change Him. His greatness is far beyond the human perception and non among His creatures can describe him. Words and expressions cannot describe Him. He can't be seen.link text

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I will just say who is the MOST HIGH?

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Allah subhanahu WA ta'ala.

(Oct 03 '13 at 19:02) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Is not "the Father" higher then Allah?

(Oct 04 '13 at 06:53) UnknownUser UnknownUser's gravatar image

No . The father is a term for a human . Not to be associated with Allah. The father of humans is Adam as the first man ever created. Flanders Jesus as is not the creator of the universe he indeed is created. He is the son of Mariam filled with the holy spirit and placed on him is Salah ( prayer) and charity ( zakat-) the day he was born until the day he dies . And he has not died yet. Salam

(Oct 07 '13 at 12:38) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

@Muhammad the greatest man, beloved what you stated is not the haqq, who are you to say what the Rasul saws never said. I suggest you go on the first page and read my answer to sadie for what I posted is with textual proof. Allah anf god is not the same and this is by definition, no more than islam and christanity are the same. The God, Gad, Theos, Meni, Adonay, Baal, Mithra, Janus,El Eloh, Eloheem, El Shadi, of christanity is not Allah or Yahweh, for these two names are one in the same. Salaam

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Yaqin: How can Yahweh be Allah when you said to me that Allah is not God, this is by definition. Then you are saying Yahweh is not God or neither is Allah as said before. Soon you will make a break through, you just need to make all the worshiping to a unity stopped. For there is only one that is to be worshiped, and you have just pointed out that Yahweh and Allah is not God so they are a graven image. Ohh I made a break through! This is marvelous... You want to feel what love is?

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You are not capable of comprehending a basic concept mike explained to you above this post. The word god is not to be attributed to the one creator. God is a pagan title and does not share the same attributes as Allah and Yahweh, which are one in the same. You asked about Eloheem, and I answered it on the first page in my answer just read it and you refute the christian and jewish scholars that I only qouted. Otherwise stop wasting your time, for that is a sin. Make that breakthrough.

(Oct 03 '13 at 10:07) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Allah is the same God that all the prophets, including Jesus, in the Holy worshipped and called their adherents to believe in and to worship, hence, the claim that the god of Muslims is not the god of the Holy Book is absurd and untenable. Cognates of the name "Allah" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.link text

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