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Do the name Allah and God share the same attributes?

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edited Jun 08 '13 at 01:04 sadie ♦ 1.6k314 sadie's gravatar image

Here is my proof brother, bring yours salaam

(Dec 04 '13 at 23:21) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Reminding profits the believers

(Apr 30 at 01:31) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Please Umar Abdullah read this also Askislam.. salaam

(May 11 at 09:58) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

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God is the English name for god, as long as we a re talking about the creator of all, both the heavens, the earth, paradise, hell the angels and all living such as mankind.jews call Him Elohim, Muslims call Him Allah Muslimstart.com

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@muslimstart god is not even a english word and it origin is paganism. I suggest you read the debate elohim origin is also paganism. never can any mislim attribute a name to Allah that He nor His Rasul saws ever did. What you have suggested is a very serious error and you did so without any proof which makes it worst for that means you are using your own qiyas opinion and the first to use qiyas was the shaytan. Ponder that, read the debate from page one! Salaam

(Oct 14 '13 at 22:54) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Can someone please ask my question I need help my question is how can I be a good Muslim and be happy

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answered 1011 Kjkj124's gravatar image

Sister \ brother has anyone helped you yet? Salam

(Oct 17 '13 at 04:21) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Brother, I have tried to find my own way through the numerous opinions and discussions on this topic, and resorted to looking at the language structure and grammar of both Arabic and English languages. I call to our Rubb Allah azza wal jall to guide me, thus none shall misguide me, and I place complete trust in Allah SWT to keep me on the straight path, a path to Him. I ask Allah SWT tfor the same for all my brothers and sisters out there.

Brother, there are benefits from this discussion, as in the process of it, our minds are occupied with thoughts of Allah SWT and He knows, the intention is to learn more and become closer to Him.

My informed view is that:

• Many are under the misconception that the word Allah is an Arabic word for God, whereas it is not; it happens to be an exclusive title.

• Arabic "La ilaha illallah" = íllah (deity) + Allah translates to: ‘There is no deity but Allah’ NOT ‘There is no deity but God’

• Contrary to popular belief, the word Allah is NOT a contraction of al-ilah (al meaning 'the', and ilah meaning 'god').

• Had it been so, then the expression ya Allah ('O Allah!') would have been ungrammatical, because according to the Arabic language when you address someone by the vocative form ya followed by a title, the al ('the') must be dropped from the title. For example, you cannot say ya ar-rabb but must say ya rabb (for 'O Lord'). So if the word Allah was al-ilah ('the God'), we would not be able to say: ya Allah, which we do.

• The word Allah is an EXCLUSIVE title which encompasses the most beautiful names and attributes and means :

He is The Distinct and The One and Only, The Absolute Creator, The Author of Creation, The Lord and The Sustainer of the Heavens and the Earth, The Creator of mankind and the environment in which man lives. No other title is referred to in this way.

• When Muslims use the word Allah, we use it as an exclusive title; the word Allah cannot be used for any other thing, tangible, or a thought.

• If one was to use the word God, then use the term The Almighty God as this at least qualifies the noun word. This is as opposed to the word God, meaning it can be many of a kind.

• In the English language, ‘the’ is a ‘definite article’, a word used as a function word to indicate that the following noun or noun equivalent is UNIQUE. Thus The Almighty God is more appropriate if one has to try to hold a conversation with a non-Muslim.

• What sets Muslims apart is that we believe and follow according to how our Lord Almighty has asked us and what sets us apart from the rest of the mankind is that we recognise and acknowledge and fully accept that Allah SWT, The Almighty God is ONE. For us there is no confusion about this fact.

• Why many Muslims find it difficult to accept the term God as used by non Muslims is because they use the word God interchangeably. It is applied to many things, real or imagined. Respect for the word is lacking. This loose application of the word is that with which we struggle with and have an aversion to. We know that Allah is ONE. We do not apply this term to any other. It is EXCLUSIVE.

• Thus when we are speaking of our Almighty Creator, we like to use His proper name, Allah.

• In addition, Allah’s most beautiful names are all befitting for Him. Our Rubb Allah azza wal jall says: “Call Him Allah, or call Him the Rahman (The Almighty); whichever name you use, to Him belongs the ...“Asma al-Husna” 17:110

• The Holy Quran refers to the uniqueness of the name Allah and asks: "Do you know anyone who can be named along with Him?" 19:65

Salaam and may Allah SWT guide us as learn. Ameen

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answered 5236 stronghold's gravatar image

@stronghold this is pure haqq and I thankyou for the research and the post. May Allah reward you.

(Oct 17 '13 at 11:16) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

"what sets us apart from the rest of the mankind is that we recognise and acknowledge and fully accept that Allah SWT, The Almighty God is ONE" their are lots of monotheist. or can you not use the word theist, because it comes from the greek theos, which of course means god? i thought what sets you apart is your belief in muhannad as "the last prophet".

"use the word God interchangeably. It is applied to many things, real or imagined" imagined, that's priceless. but the capitalized God is understood in english to refer to a monotheistic being.

(Oct 17 '13 at 12:04) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

The term 'God ' does not refer to a monotheistic being. Wiki: The doctrine of the Trinity defines God as three divine persons or hypostases:[1] theFather, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit; "one God in three persons". The threepersons are distinct, yet are one "substance, essence or nature".[2] A nature is what one is, while a person is who one is.[3][4][5]

(Oct 26 '13 at 07:47) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

'three persons'.? How can a divine being be a person? How can 1+1+1=1? This is a mystery that has never been solvedin 2000 years. No Christian, church father, minister, priest, cardinal or pope can tell us today how that is. Instead, they will reply 'It's a mystery my son.' You are quite wrong in your statement.

(Oct 26 '13 at 07:47) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God

wrong wiki

"In the English language, the capitalized form of God continues to represent a distinction between monotheistic "God" and "gods" in polytheism.[21][22] The English word "God" and its counterparts in other languages are normally used for any and all conceptions and, in spite of significant differences between religions, the term remains an English translation common to all."

you say: "How can a divine being be a person?" he can do anything he wants. he can light a bush on fire yet the flames do not consume it. he can part a sea, causing water

(Oct 26 '13 at 09:54) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

to defy the laws of gravity. lol. you want to apply logic and the laws of math now? how does a virgin give birth? it's so funny.

"No Christian, church father, minister, priest, cardinal or pope can tell us today how that is." WHAT. have you never heard of the nicene creed. it's has a wiki page. "one being with the father begotten not made", is how they explain it. it's about as logical as jinn. here i'll get it for ya. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

(Oct 26 '13 at 10:00) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

Very confusing references to God and Jesus. They are still rolling the Jesus and God concepts together. And the "one being with the father begotten not made" ....what does that mean? As to try and explain to you regarding the created (a human) and the Creator....I think you know enough to differentiate between the two and no, Allah SWT cannot be defined as a person. And this is what Christianity does.

(Oct 26 '13 at 10:34) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image
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What i absolutely do not understand is why there is 23 ANSWERS!! ON THIS ''QUESTION'' AND 0 (ZERON) ON SOME OF THE QUESTION ???? LIKE MINE!! CAN WE PLEASE LEAVE THE IGNORANT ALONE, NOT GIVE THEM ATTENTION AND SAVE OUR SELVES FROM THE HELL FIRE FIRST. I'M SORRY FOR BEING SELFISH BUT THESE ARE PEOPLE ALLAH HAS LET TO GO ASTRAY AND THE I NOTHINNNNG WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. ...

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answered 556 Abas1204's gravatar image

interesting question for such an outburst? first yaqin is debating muslims and i think in his mind leading muslims away from what he considers shirk. so are you saying muslimstart is amoung the ignorant? s/he has been lead astray and nothing can be done about it.

but don't worry i'll answer your question, if i can.

(Oct 26 '13 at 06:08) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

Stronghold:

How do you know its not really this: 1 = 1 = 1 = One = God? Understand a little bit more now?

Or you can take: 1 - 1 - 1 = One = God. What do you prefer or what is a probability at least?

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edited Oct 26 '13 at 08:35

Flanders, it's not about preferences or probabilities. It is about not confusing people and its about the truth. Most importantly its about not attributing human characteristics to Allah Swt. We are what He created He is the creator of this world and He has no partner in His being or any of his infinite qualities.

(Oct 26 '13 at 09:39) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

The word God is used to mention about a lord and creator Who not ordinary like human being and it is the name given by human to divine force. Whereas Allah (SWT) is the name given by God for Himself as per Islamic scriptures.

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@anisafatima, please read ALL of the post. In it you will find the haqq which our beloved brother Yaqin carefully explained with all the evidence to support it. Once you read it carefully, you will be informed and once informed on this subject, inshallah, you will inform others and stay clear of taghut.Salaam

(Dec 05 '13 at 03:42) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

yaqin, stronghold, sadie, now i'm thoroughly confused. so the word allah was used by pagan arabs to describe one of their gods. but it has taken on new meaning under islam. but the word god or rather God, can't take on the new meaning of a single entity.

yaqin, i think you are splitting hairs (logs) again. especially considering the forrest that lies in front of you.

p.s. so how finely do we want to split vocabulary. miss question is telling people to capitalize allah. so does allah and Allah have the same attributes? do u space inshallah?

(Dec 05 '13 at 09:57) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

@Mike yes the pagan Arabs did use the name, but what they attributed to it had nothing to do with the name by definition. When the Rasul saws came Allah revealed to him the attributes and none of the names describe Allah by what they had attributed to Him. Whereas the definition of God, theos, baal, el, elohim, janus, adonay, to name a few, have a clear difinition and it goes against what has been revealed. You are the shaykh of omid along with the internet may both of you misguide him completely. Salaam

(Dec 05 '13 at 12:27) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

well, first i think the OG, learned most of his islam before the internet was around. probably much like you. it's sad to see to old men argue like teenagers, but oh well. what they attributed to the word and what it means? what's the differance. word's evolve, meanings change. new words get added. how? by consensus. God is nearly universally accepted to mean the One God, the God of abraham. the same as Allah or Yeweah, but you keep shoving against the tide. you got saide on board, she's changing lyrics and stronghold it with ya, so onward christian soilders. opps, muslim soldiers. ;) peace

(Dec 05 '13 at 12:48) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Mike I'm not pushing against anything Gomer oz Dubar can never be the same, in english words evolve for english is a bastard language, but we are not talking english we are talking about Arabia and this ideology do not apply. Well I don't know if what you say about OG is true or not what I do know is he is dangerous for what propagates is not the haqq. Salaam

(Dec 05 '13 at 13:12) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

i don't know what gomer oz dubar means so, i'll have to ask my shaykh. first thing that pops is the illuminatti, and then rapgeuis.com says "Gomar Oz Dubar is a phrase meaning God, derived from the Hebrew words for strength, wisdom and beauty...."

interesting logic there. if a languauge evolves it's a bastard language. fair enough. so was the first koran a bastard koran? was not adding the sun and moon letters (which since your cresent moon and star post, now makes me think they are pagan letters or at least have pagan names, kinda like god, lol.) an evolvution to arabic? smh again. peace

(Dec 05 '13 at 13:31) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Mike you are partially correct gomer oz dubar come from a hellenistic concept adopted by hellenist jews which had apostated and accepted hellenism as their way. Mike you know how I feel about the adding of the sun and moon letters with that said no the quran was not ever a bastard anything but I feel your logic though I reject it, for it still has it roots in paganism, here is where gomer oz dubar stem from. Your friend needs to do his homework his shaykh's has failed him. Salaam

(Dec 05 '13 at 14:37) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

well, we aren't exactly friends. i guess friends in the same way you and i are friends. he just showed up on the website yesterday, so i guess you and i are old friends comparatively. ;)

so on this concept that OG put forward that you see paganism and shirk everywhere you turn. i'll ask it as a question, this thread is long enough without adding a tangent.

(Dec 05 '13 at 14:49) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Mike you and have had some great talks on here though we disagree we have a common respect and I'm greatful for that. Little do you know I asked Allah to guide to islam. Yeah I remember about the curse well part of my asking is that if you don't that do as I asked in my dua. This brother he likes to use insults to make a point for he has not a leg to stand on. But I beg Allah to forgive us both for our shortcomings. I presented my arguement on the subject with proof he has yet to respond. I wonder why? Salaam

(Dec 05 '13 at 16:06) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image
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Allah has 99 attributes, and if you refer by it, He will still be God, Creator, Merciful etc.

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answered 8588 abdul_wasay's gravatar image

@Abdul wasaythis beloved is not correct and again this is by defintion of the word as I have shown with textual proof that this word does not have anything to do with Allah nor the attributes. This mindset is shirk ul khafi and this form of shirk is what the Rasul saws feared most for his ummah, he desctibed it as a black ant on a black rock in the thick of darkness. Meaning you may not see it but it is there. I await your reply.

(Feb 24 at 10:44) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

I will read and draw inference from Qura'n and Sunnah. I may, not agree with you, but I will see to it if I can find more about it.

(Feb 24 at 16:57) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

@yaqin I read about shirk and the inconspicuous shirk which you mention is simply expiated by reciting this thrice:

اللّهُـمَّ إِنّـي أَعـوذُبِكَ أَنْ أُشْـرِكَ بِكَ وَأَنا أَعْـلَمْ، وَأَسْتَـغْفِرُكَ لِما لا أَعْـلَم

"O Allaah, I take refuge in you lest I should commit shirk with you knowingly, and I seek your forgiveness for what I do unknowingly."

Supposedly God is a pagan word but that would mean that translation of Shahadah in English would be incorrect. Now by this analogy this means that English itself is a pagan language, since English Muslims keep using God in their daily English. Of course I do agree 100% that this type of shirk should be avoided . The big picture here is what God means in English rather than looking at its pagan history. And the God word has following weaknesses (lets not look at history, but let us agree why this would be wrong):

  1. Masculinity and femininity e.g. God and Goddess
  2. Plural e.g. Gods

Forgive me yaqin but you need to be more concise with your answers. The solution should be offered that is a more bit understandable to common people.

Just use Allah instead of God simple as that. If they use then my only concern is to use god with first capital as "God" and instead of using him as "Him".

Jazakallh Khair, thanks for telling and for the awareness.

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Beloved yes this form of shirk can be as you have described. Forgive me that I didn't go into the degree of shirk. Inshallah the dua is accepted for those that know about shirk ul khafi. What troubles me is that for the ones that don't know and fall into it by simply following the people of the book in their shirk. For it has been reproted by Abu Huriah the Rasul saws said," My ummah will follow the people of the book so much that if they go into a lizard hole they will follow." This the problem with the ummah today. Salaam

(Feb 24 at 17:36) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Salam and thanks again. A thread will be created for shirk and its types so they know.

(Feb 24 at 17:41) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

http://community.islam.com/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=235 woah took my lots of time but you raised some important issue, lets bring the truth forward.

(Feb 24 at 19:04) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

May Allah azza wal jall bless you and your family and grant you all paradise. Salaam

(Feb 24 at 21:29) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

these answers are not complete ask this: i swear its going to be better:ask this site the answer is always complete they bac up with quran and sahih hadit, i tried so... : askquestionsonislam.webs.com

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Not complete then bring your proof I'm waiting

(May 11 at 19:37) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image
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