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After yesterday's events and the recent Boston massacre, it begs the question why are Muslims killing and maiming innocent people all over the world in the name of their God.

I used to believe Islam was a religion of peace, now I know Islam is an evil cancer spreading through humanity.

RIP - Fallen soldier.

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In any secular studies of social sciences, you need to have a hypothesis,a thesis and supported by empirical evidence and based on commonsense and rationality. Otherwise, the point is void and it violates ethnics. It then pictures a case of lack of intellectual curiosity and constructive criticism. Same apply when you do any statement in every affairs of life.If you statement is normative and subjective without any weighted support, it is null and damaging.

(May 23 '13 at 11:27) Nehir Nehir's gravatar image

If a person lacks one of the following, then s/he is not a muslim and is not doing a thing for the cause of islam and is not from the Islamic community. Before you blame islam, see the profile of the terrorist and if it matches one of those, then you can be happy with your arguments.

Islam is based on one's faith and daily lifestyle. Before you blame a whole world which has innocent Muslim, women and children, go and read the teachings of the Last Messenger, the true teaching of Jesus Christ and till the true first men from which you came!

According to Islamic teachings, doing good and having the right belief go hand in hand in Islam. In fact, doing good in practice is the proof of having the right belief in the heart. This is why the Holy Quran speaks of true Muslims very often as "those who believe and do good deeds". Both the Quran and the Holy Prophet have told Muslims that the best among them is that person who shows the best behaviour towards other people.

Below we give, in the words of the Holy Quran and the Holy Prophet Muhammad, the chief qualities a Muslim should display:

  1. Truthfulness:

"O you who believe! keep your duty to Allah and speak straight, true words." (Holy Quran 33:70) "O you who believe, keep your duty to Allah, and be with the truthful people." (9:119) "Be maintainers of justice and bearers of true witness for Allah, even if it (the truth) goes against your own selves or parents or relatives or someone who is rich or poor." (4:135)

  1. Sincerity:

"Serve Allah, being sincere to Him in obedience." (39:2) "It is most hateful in the sight of Allah that you say things which you do not do." (61:3) "Woe to those who pray but are unmindful of their prayers, who do good to be seen." (107:4-6)

  1. Unselfishness:

"You cannot attain to righteousness unless you spend (in charity) out of those things which you love." (3:91) "They (the true believers) give food, out of love for Allah, to the poor, the orphan and the slave, saying: We feed you only for Allah's pleasure - we desire from you neither reward nor thanks." (76:8-9) "Do no favour seeking gain." (74:6)

  1. Humility:

"The servants of the Beneficent (Allah) are those who walk on the earth in humility." (25:63) "Do not turn your face away from people in contempt, nor go about in the land exultingly." (31:18) "Do not ascribe purity to yourselves. Allah knows best who is righteous." (53:32)

  1. Patience:

"Allah loves those who are patient." (3:145) "Give good news to the patient, who, when a misfortune befalls them, say: We are Allah's and to Him do we return." (2:155-156)

  1. Forgiveness:

"Pardon (people) and overlook (their faults). Don't you love that Allah should forgive you." (24:22) "(The dutiful are) . . . those who restrain their anger and pardon people. Allah loves those who do good to others." (3:134) "Whenever they (true believers) are angry they forgive." (42:37) "The recompense of evil is punishment like it. But whoever forgives (an evil committed against himself) and amends (matters), his reward is with Allah. . . . Whoever is patient and forgives, that is a matter of great resolution." (42:40, 43) When the Holy Prophet Muhammad defeated his enemies in Makka and returned to that city as its conqueror, he forgave them in the following words: "No reproof be against you this day; Allah may forgive you, and He is the most Merciful of those who show mercy." (12:92)

  1. Purity and cleanliness:

"He indeed is successful who purifies himself (in mind and body), and remembers the name of his Lord, then prays." (87:14-15) "Purify your garments and shun uncleanness." (74:4-5)

  1. Honesty:

"Don't go near the property of an orphan, except in a goodly way, till he attains maturity. And fulfil the promise (you make) . . .. Give full measure when you measure out, and weigh with a true balance." (17:34-35) "Do not swallow up your property among yourselves by false means, nor offer it as a bribe to the officials so that you may swallow up other people's property unlawfully while you know." (2:188)

  1. Goodness and kindness to others:

"Allah commands you to uphold justice and to do good to others and to give to the relatives." (16:90) Three degrees of doing good are mentioned here: "justice," which means returning any good that someone has done you with equal good; "do good to others," which means taking the initiative in doing good to others; and "give to the relatives," which means doing good to people instinctively and naturally just as one does good to one's close relatives. "Do good to others, surely Allah loves those who do good to others." (2:195)

  1. Consideration and respect for others:

"O you who believe! do not enter houses other than your own until you have asked permission and greeted the inmates . . . and if it is said to you, 'Go back', then go back." (24:27-28) "O you who believe! avoid most of suspicion (against others), for surely suspicion in some cases is sin; and do not spy (into other people's affairs), nor let some of you backbite others." (49:12) "When you are greeted with a greeting, greet with one better than it, or return it (in the same terms at least)." (4:86)

  1. Courage:

Speaking of a small number of Muslims facing a big and powerful enemy, the Quran relates: "Those to whom men said: people have gathered against you, so fear them; but this increased their faith, and they said: Allah is sufficient for us and He is an excellent Guardian." (3:173)

  1. Moderation:

"Eat and drink, but do not be immoderate." (7:31) "Do not chain your hand to your neck (so that you are mean in spending), nor stretch it out to the utmost limit (so that you waste everything)." (17:29) Regarding the performance of religious duties, the Holy Prophet has given the following advice: "Religion is easy, but any one who exerts himself too much in religious devotions will get overcome by it; so you should just act rightly, and keep to the mean, and be of good cheer, and ask for Allah's help morning, evening, and a part of the night." (Bukhari.)

  1. Cheerfulness:

"Be of good cheer." (Holy Prophet in Bukhari.) "It is an act of charity to meet your fellow with a cheerful face." (Holy Prophet in Mishkat.) Finally, we give a verse of the Holy Quran mentioning a number of qualities a Muslim, man or woman, should try to acquire: "The truthful men and the truthful women, the patient men and the patient women, the humble men and the humble women, the charitable men and the charitable women, the fasting men and the fasting women, the men who guard their chastity and the women who guard their chastity, the men who remember Allah much and the women who remember Allah much - for all these Allah has prepared forgiveness and a great reward." (33:35)

How does Islam require a Muslim to treat the people around him?

The Holy Quran and the Hadith mention various categories of people that one has to deal with, and give a great deal of guidance on how to behave towards them.

  1. Parents and the elderly:

"Your Lord has commanded that you worship none but Him, and do good to parents. If one or both of them reach old age with you, do not say 'Fie' to them, nor chide them, but speak to them a generous word . . . and say, My Lord, have mercy on them as they brought me up when I was little." (17:23-24). "The Holy Prophet said, It is one of the greatest sins that a man should curse his parents. Someone said, How can a man curse his own parents? He said, If a man abuses the father of another, that person will abuse his parents (in return)." (Report in Bukhari.)

  1. Other Near Relatives:

"Do good to the near relatives." (4:36) "Give to the near relative his due, and also to the needy and to the traveller (in need of help). (17:26). 3. Children:

"Do not kill your children for fear of poverty - We (Allah) provide for them and for you." (17:31) "A man came to the Holy Prophet and said, You kiss children but we do not kiss them'. The Holy Prophet said,Do I have any control over you if Allah has taken away mercy from your heart'." (Report in Bukhari.)

  1. Orphans and destitute children:

"Maintain the orphans out of their property and clothe them and give them a good education. Test them when they reach the age of majority, and if you find them to be mature, hand over their property to them." (4:5-6) "I and the man who brings up an orphan will be in paradise like this," said the Holy Prophet, putting together his forefinger and middle finger. (Report in Bukhari.)

  1. Poor and needy:

"Righteous is he who . . . gives away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and to those who ask and to set slaves free." (2:177) "What will make you understand what the uphill road (to success) is? (It is) to free a slave, or feed at a time of hunger an orphan who is a relative or the poor man lying in the dust." (90:11-16) "Have you seen him who goes against religion? That is the one who is rough to the orphan and does not urge the feeding of the needy." (107:1-3) "(The true believers are those) in whose wealth there is a known right for the beggar and the destitute." (70:24-25) "The person who manages things for the widow and the poor is like the one who strives hard in the way of Allah." (Holy Prophet in Bukhari.)

  1. Neighbours:

"Be good to . . . the neighbour belonging to your people and the alien neighbour." (4:36) "He is not a believer who fills his stomach while his neighbour is hungry." (Holy Prophet in Hadith.) "The angel Gabriel continued to enjoin upon me good treatment of the neighbour, so much so that I thought he would make him heir to one's property." (Holy Prophet in Bukhari.)

  1. Wives/Husbands:

"They (your wives) are a garment for you, and you are a garment for them." (2:187) "Of His (Allah's) signs is that He created spouses for you from yourselves so that you might find quiet of mind in them, and He put between you love and compassion." (30:21) "The best of you are those who are kindest to their wives." (Holy Prophet in Tirmizi.) A man related: "I asked Aishah (Holy Prophet's wife): What did the Prophet do when in his house? She said, `He served his wife', meaning that he did work for his wife." (Report in Bukhari.)

  1. Employers/Employees:

"(The true believers) are those who are keepers of their trusts and covenants." (23:8) "Trusts" include the duties and the other things with which an employee is entrusted by his employer; "covenants" include the contract by which both the employer and the employee are bound. "Allah says: There are three persons whose opponents I shall be on the Day of Judgment . . . (the third is) the person who employs a servant and receives fully the labour due from him, but does not pay his wages." (Holy Prophet in Bukhari.) Ans, a companion of the Holy Prophet, related: "I served the Holy Prophet for ten years, and he never said to me, Fie', nor did he ever sayWhy have you done this', or `Why have you not done that'." (Report in Bukhari.)

  1. Animals

"There is no animal in the earth, nor a bird flying on its two wings, but they are communities like yourselves (O people)." (6:38) Someone asked the Holy Prophet, "Is there a reward for us (from Allah) for doing good to beasts?" He replied: "In every animal having a liver fresh with life there is a reward." (Holy Prophet in Mishkat.) "Be careful of your duty to Allah in the matter of dumb animals; ride them while they are in a fit condition, and eat them while they are in a fit condition." (Holy Prophet in Abu Dawud.) "Whoever tills a field, and birds and beasts eat from it, it is an act of charity." (Holy Prophet in Musnad of Ahmad.)

  1. Authorities:

Regarding electing and appointing people to positions of authority, the Quran says: "Allah commands you to make over trusts (or positions of trust and authority) to those worthy of them." (4:58) Some other principles are as follows: "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority from among you; then if you quarrel about anything (with your authorities) refer it to Allah and the Messenger" (4:59), i.e. settle the disagreement by means of the Holy Quran and the Holy Prophet's example. "Obedience (of authority) is due only in good matters", i.e., orders to do wrong must not be obeyed. (Holy Prophet in Bukhari.) The first head of state of the Muslims after the Holy Prophet, the famous Hazrat Abu Bakr, said in a speech after his election: "Help me if I am in the right. Correct me if I am in the wrong. Obey me as long as I obey Allah and His Messenger; in case I disobey Allah and His Messenger, I have no right to obedience from you." "The most excellent jihad is to speak the truth in the face of an unjust ruler." (Holy Prophet in Mishkat.)

  1. Muslims:

"Hold fast by the covenant of Allah all together and be not disunited. And remember Allah's favour to you when you were enemies, then He united your hearts, so by His favour you became brethren." (3:103) "The believers are brethren, so make peace between your brethren . . . Do not find fault with your own people, nor call one another by (bad) nick­names." (49:10-12) "Help one another in good and righteous works, and do not help one another in sin and aggression." (5:2) "Do not hate one another and do not be jealous of one another and do not boycott one another, and be servants of Allah, as brothers; and it is not lawful for a Muslim to sever his relations with his brother for more than three days." (Holy Prophet in Bukhari.) "You will see the believers in their having mercy for one another, and in their love for one another, and in their kindness towards one another, like the human body: when one limb is ailing, the whole body feels it, one part calling out the other with sleeplessness and fever." (Holy Prophet in Bukhari.) "None of you has faith until he loves for his brother what he loves for himself." (Holy Prophet in Bukhari.)

  1. Those who abuse Muslims:

"Bear patiently what they (abusers) say." (20:130) "Disregard their annoying talk." (33:48) "When you hear Allah's messages disbelieved in and mocked at, sit not with them until they enter into some other talk." (4:140) "And if you invite them to guidance, they hear not; and you see them looking towards you, yet they see not. Take to forgiveness and enjoin good and turn away from the ignorant." (7:198-199) "The Messenger of Allah and his Companions used to forgive the idolaters and the followers of the book (Jews and Christians), as Allah had commanded them, and they used to show patience on hearing hurtful words." (Report in Bukhari.)

  1. Enemies:

"Repel evil with what is best, when lo! he between whom and you there is enmity will be like a warm friend." (41:34) "Many of the people of the book wish that they could turn you back into disbelievers after you have believed, out of envy from themselves. . .. But pardon and forgive." (2:109) "And you will always find treachery in them, except a few of them. So pardon them and forgive. Surely Allah loves those who do good to others." (5:13)

  1. Non­Muslims:

"Allah does not forbid you concerning those people who do not fight you because of your religion, nor expel you from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly.. . . Allah forbids you only concerning those people who fight you for your religion, and drive you from your homes and help others to expel you, that you make friends of them." (60: 8,9) "Whatever good they (people of other religions) do, they will not be denied it (by Allah), and Allah knows who the righteous are." (3:115) "O you who believe, be upright for Allah, bearers of witness with justice; and do not let the hatred of a people incite you not to act with justice. Be just; that is nearer to observance of duty." (5:8) "Call (others) to the way of your Lord with wisdom and goodly exhortation, and argue with them in the best manner." (16:125) "Argue not with the people of the Book (Jews, Christians, and other people having scriptures) except by the best (means), save those of them who act unjustly. But say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him we submit." (29:46) A companion of the Holy Prophet relates: "A funeral procession passed by the Holy Prophet, and he stood up for it. People said to him: It was the funeral of a Jew. He said: Was it not a human life?" (Report in Bukhari.)

  1. Mankind generally:

"Mankind is a single nation." (2:213) "O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into races and families so that you may know each other. The most honoured of you in Allah's sight are those who best keep their duty." (49:13) "We (Allah) have not sent you (O Muhammad) except as a mercy to the nations." (21:107) "Speak good words to all people." (2:83) "Allah commands you that . . . when you judge between people (i.e., of any race, religion, family, class, etc.), you judge with justice." (4:58)

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answered 601 Nehir's gravatar image

@Atheist,your statement is very troublesome to me, for I know that Islam is what you say you once thought it was. So to grasp an understanding, we must investagate your reasons for changing your thoughts. The queston we must answer is, "Is what these so called terrorist are doing is allowed in the religion?" Beloved, the answer to this question is INFACTICALLY NO! What they are doing is from their own vain desires,for Allah azza wal jall has stated in the Qur'an, if anybody kills anyone unjustly their recompense is hellfire, also Allah has said, to kill anyone unjustly is as if you have killed the whole of mankind.We are commanded in the qur'an not to kill ourselves and the Holy Prophet, May peace and blessings be upon him, has stated that whoever kills himself will repeat the manner inwhich he killed himself forever in the hellfire. Now, what we must do is weigh their actions against the Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet, May peace and blessings be upon him and his family,and from what I have stated, which no muslim can deny,for this is not a fatwa (religious ruling ) from any shaykh, Imam, Mullah, Scholar,though I respect what any of them say, which is confirmed by the Qur'an and the authenticated sunnah, which the qur'an also confirms, this is from Allah and His messenger. For Allah azza wal jall tells us," It is not fitting for a believer,man or woman,when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option ,opinion, about their decesion: If anyone disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed, on a clearly wrong path." (sura 33:36) Beloved, the wrong path means this one is outside of the folds of Islam, he is a kaffir (disbeliever,one who covers the truth).The truth that they are covering is the basic things we have been discussing, to deny this also puts this one as a munafiq (hypocrite) and Allah says that the munafiq will be in the lowest depth of the hellfire. These are the people you are talking about, they are not muslims they are crimanls, and his actions has nothing to do with Islam. The sad thing is, if any of the ones you mentoned in your statement was any other religion, it would have not been mentioned by the media. Be that as it may, you know as I do, if one says he is something, and his actions goes against what he claims, then he is what his actions say he is, it's that simple,and it does not matter what he says. SO PLEASE BELOVED DO NOT PERSERCUTE ISLAM ON THE GROUNDS OF ACTIONS THAT GOES AGAINST THE TEACHINGS. MAY ALLAH GUIDE YOU...

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@Mike Malzahn Beloved it is clear that you are an enemy to Islam, be that as it may, another thing that is clear to me is that you know nothing of the Usool of the qur'an, inshallah I will start this refutation with the end of your bogus vulgar attack and work my way up. You used the words of Allah azza wal jall in sura 5:32 and I quote, "On that account: We ordained for the children of Isreal that if anyone slew a person-unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief or corruption in the land-it would be as if he slew the whole of people and if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole of the people. Then although there came to them Our Messengers with clear signs, yet, Even after that many of them continued to commit excess in the land." This ayat has nothing to do with being violent, and little do you know the law for causing corruption or mischeif in the land is death, also, being a apostate,and this is before the coming of Islam, and I qoute," Any Isrealite or any alien living in Isreal who gives his children to Molech MUST BE PUT TO DEATH. The people are to stone him." (Lev 20:2) " If anyone takes the life of a human being he MUST BE PUT TO DEATH." (LEV 24:17) " If a man has a stubborn son and rebellious son who does not obey his father and mother and will not listen to them when they discipline him, his father and mother are to take hold of him and bring him to the elders at the gate of his town. They shall say to the elders," this son of ours is stubborn and rebellious,He will not obey us. He is profligate and a drunkard." Then all the men of his town shall stone him to death. YOU MUST PURGE THE CORRUPTION FROM AMONG YOU. All of Isreal will hear of it and be afraid." (Deut 21:18-21) I can go on and on,there are two things you fail to understand, one is that this ayat and many like it came down to address a situation,this one is dealing with the affairs of the Islamic state in Madina,inwhich there was jews living under the protection of the muslims.The hadeeth you used about the women and children is fabricated.The jihad spoken about in the hadeeth reported by Hurayrah is fighting in the cause of Allah not the cause of men desires,for the companions fought to eraticate the oppression they were under and to establish the deen.I stated in my first answer killing anyone unjustly is wrong,and the cause these so called terrorist is not the cause of Allah for if it was they would obey Allah. Keep in mind that the other ayats you used was talking to brothers that was at war and still not one ever killed themselves or women and children.You are in error when you attach the actions of anyone to Allah for you or no one on this planet can show me any ayat that condones the acts of these people,just like in the torah it is a time to kill and it must be just according to what has been revealed.Yes Islam is the religion of peace,and man does things that goes against it and is wrong,but that doesnot make Islam evil the people that commit these acts are. In your attack you asked what is corruption? Corruption is anything that contradicts what was sent down to govern the affairs of men. Ayat 33 in ma'idah is giveing the ruling on those that was plotting to committ treason with there mischeif in a Muslim state.I close with the words of Allah azza wal jall, "BE QUICK IN THE RACE FOR FORGIVENESS FROM YOUR LORD, AND FOR A GARDEN WHOSE WIDTH IS AS WIDE AS THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH, PREPARED FOR THE RIGHTEOUS. THOSE WHO SPEND FREELY, WHETHER IN PROSPERITY OR IN ADVERSITY WHO RESTRAINS ANGER AND PARDON ALL MEN FOR ALLAH LOVES THOSE WHO DO GOOD." (sura 3:133-134) This is Islam,and beg you to have some respect for the sister,there is no reason to be disrespectful.May Allah guide you

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answered 8331147 yaqin's gravatar image

You can not judge ISLAM through the eye of AL-Qaeda (built by American CIA). And the soldiers who was killed is a reaction of hatred as British and Americans killed millions of innocent Muslims.

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http://m.youtube.com/index?&desktop_uri=%2Findex#/watch?feature=relmfu&v=XPisDM76JxU @ Atheist watch this video. And another thing don't allow yourself to slander the prophet sallallahu allahi wa Salam because your knowledge is false.

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I am a christian, not muslim, and I believe christianity means love and forgiveness and therefore not hate.

However, if I look at history, I can find plenty of examples where people have dont horrific things, and claimed that they were doing it in the name of Jesus Christ, or for the christian faith. Does the actions of those people mean that the god I know and love suddenly is not real, or is not honest? No they mean human beings have free will, and it means human beings sin, and hate, and make war against their fellow man. I also believe that the enemy (the devil) has many ways to try and keep people apart from god. And one of his most successful ones, is to decieve people into thinking that hate, war, murder, are what god is asking of them. Because he (the devil/satan) knows that if people do horrific things and say they did it because of their religon, then many people like the person who posted this thread, will say 'I dont want to know anything about the god of that religon - its a disgusting evil hateful terrorist religon'

I am a christian, which means that believe that there is only one way to know god, which is through his son Jesus Christ's sinless blood shed on our behalf on the cross. However, I would like to set some of what I feel are the misconceptions of many people, straight, both about my faith, and about the islamic faith:

1: I dont believe that the fundamental pillars of the islamic faith, mandate terrorism, and hate. I have known muslim people as close friends. They have been disgusted and upset when acts of terrorism are carried out in the name of islam. Probably more so than the average westerner. Most muslim people see the behaviour of and statements made by terrorists to be those of people who do not really follow the faith, and are intentionally corrupting and slanting the Qúran for their own hateful purposes, or they see them as people who have been deceived and mislead - by their government, their peers, or their family. People who are so desperate to know god, that they are willing to do anything, if someone convinces them it is the way to heaven.

2: in the same way, as a christian I see many so-called chrsitians preaching hate, or trying to place themselves aboive god, and sitting in judgement on other christians, and of course there are the churches where the congregation are made to feel that their relationship with the living god is based on how much money they give to the church on sunday.

  1. I am lucky that God found me a church full of people who do not preach exclusion, sit in judgement promote hate, or teach that you can only be a christian if you fit certain criteria first.

  2. While I am certain (for reasons I am happy to share with anyone who wishes to pm me and ask), that the islamic faith is not the answer and strongly feel that it is not the way to find god, I just as strongly feel that there are many many muslim people out there who are very geniunely and honestly seeking to know the one god who created us all. I have met some muslim people who have demonstrated their faith in a way that demonstrated love, acceptance and non judgement. I also feel that God has a very special place in his heart for the muslim people (if anyone is interested in that, check out http://morethandreams.org/ - experiences of muslim people from various backgrounds who had personal encounters with Isa (Jesus Christ) - the videos are in the native tongue of the person, with english subtitles - and they show just how powerfully God loves, and is pursuing muslim people.

Anyway I guess what I am trying to say to the person who started this thread, is that why I can understand why you feel so disillusioned and angry after the events in Boston, please try and remember that a few nutters are not representative of the many millions of other people who daily ask god to help them live a life of peace, and acceptance, charity, and love for their fellow man.

Also - think of one thing that you are absolutely passionate about in your life - not necessarily faith, it might be a sport, or art/music, or whatever. If you think about every other person in the world who is just as passionate about that thing as you are - could you honestly say there wouldnt be at least one person out there somewhere, who claims to love the sport/art/music as much as you, but who, in your opinion, is completely disrespecting all of the values of that sport, art/music, or whatever.
If you encountered someone who claimed to say, love your football team as much or even more than you, but at the same time, believed the team should play in a way that you felt was totally without honor - would that mean that your football team were suddenly dishonorable?

Another thing to consider, that hopefully muslim people will agree with me on, even while we are of different faith, is that god is love.... and whenever there is a message which contains intolerance, rejects understanding, and/or promotes any amount of hate - that it surely comes not from god who is love pure and complete, but from the devil. God is not capable of hate, only the devil (and mankind) is.
So when mankind shows hate, in any form (rejection, slander, jealousy, violence, deceipt, defiance, and pride), you can be sure that it has come from one place only, and that is not from god.

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@Mike malzahn Again brother your lack of knowledge about Islam is one of your problems, yes the hadeeth is in sahih muslim but it has beeen graded by the scholars as weak and most has graded it as fabricated,but I don't want to go into the science of the hadeeths,but for future reference if any hadeeth goes against the Book of Allah then it is to be rejected, for all hadeeths has to authenticated and to do so it must be weighed against the book. Judgeing from your statement, you are the face of a Godless person,but I'm good with that.The actions of the men in the brothel is not justified by me nor Islam,and I understand why you see the laws of the creator as backward and brutal,for it is people like you that support the immoralities of the laws of men that allows all types of iniquities that degrades the moral fiber of the people, which kill in the name of their demonic cause, and this makes you and those criminals of Islam one in the same fighting for the same cause, the devil within. Your arguement about justifired killing according to the law is moot, in the face of the same law you hold dear to you has the death penalty for crimes that breaks it.You search the hadeeth books for such actions,but you forget the companions was following the law they were given and to do anything else would have been a crime, so yes a man was killed for breaking the law of Islam, just like men are killed for breaking the law of the land in America, but you don't see that as brutal and backward,what's the difference??? You may agree or disagree about the death penalty, but the powers that be calls it justice according to their law.Again, what is the difference? You say the Sunni is blowing up the Shia, but this is not what the Qur'an or the suunah says,for Allah aza wal jall states'" And whoever kills a muslim intenionally, then his recompense is hellfire." So it is clear that any who does this is going against the decree of Allah and that makes this one a kaffir (disbeliever-one who conceals the truth). Especially in light of what Allah has told the muslim how to deal with any and all disagreements," If you have any disagreements among yourselves, refer it back to Allah and His Messenger." Them not doing so is breaking the law of Islam,and what they're doing is not jihad it is pure devilishment.Jihad in the cause of Allah has its legislation and no one can go outside of that and call their cause Allah's cause, I seek refuge with Allah from that, plus this jihad is the lesser jihad,the greater jihad is the jihad within oneself, if these criminals would deal with that tenet of Islam, brothers and sisters like myself, which fight this war within self everyday, would not be subjected to enemies like you, which uses their actions to attack that which we love. I know nothing I say can take the blinders you have on,for he whom Allah guides none can misguide,and he whom Allah allows to be misguided none can guide him; and yes if you are like the one spoken about in the Torah according to that law you should be stoned, this is the law given to the Jews and whether you agree or disagree, if you live in a land where this is law, three things will happen, you would leave that land before you are found to be the wretch you are, or you will change your ways, or you would be stoned, and whatever the outcome, it would be on you and your choices, and no one else is to blame for you choosing to abide or break the law,get my point???????? May Allah Guide you

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I'd like to address this as simply and clearly as I can. If a muslim drinks alcohol, even though Islam (a religion) forbids it, does this act reflect the person or the religion? The person ofcourse, not the religion. Similiarly, if a muslim murders someone for no justifiable reason, even though Islam forbids it, does this act reflect the person or the religion?

Clearly, what we do and what the religion teaches are two very - very different things. So you cannot blame the religion if a muslim decides to ignore it's teachings and commit a horrible act in the name of God (according to them).

Also, hitler was German, who instructed mass killings of innocent human beings. Does this mean that all germans are like that? No, so we cannot apply this same 'logic' to muslims.

Thankyou for atleast addressing it on this forum and offering muslims the chance to have a discussion about this issue with you though. :)

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Mike, I can see that you have a lot of questions due to a limited amount of knowledge concerning Islam. It's probably best if you actually speak to well educated muslims in your community to find the answers that you're looking for, someone who has actually studied the Quran and hadiths well.

And also, you seem to be pulling quotes from the Quran out of context in a number of your answers. For example, "and kill them (the disbelievers) wherever you find them" 2:2:190-193 to someone with a limited understanding of Islam would seem like a command for muslims to kill all non-muslims everywhere.

BUT, when you read the paragraphs before this quote and after it (including the chapter itself) it becomes very clear that this is a command for wars only, because it is in the chapter that deals with war.

When you then read this in the context of the time period (via the hadiths) you will then know what specific situations this commandment was intended for, and the reasons why (the muslims were being brutally persecuted at the time, so their only options were to stand up for themselves and their families and fight, or accept being slaughtered. So as any good army general would do, even in this century, would be to encourage them to protect themselves, which is exactly what God commands in the quote that we are discussing. Therefore the statements in the Quran that you find are 'open to misinterpretation' then become very logical and straight-forward when you have more knowledge on them.

Also, one other thing that I wanted to address was this: that the Quran "is open to misinterpretation" - but it is ONLY open to misinterpretation when we have a very limited knowledge of the Quran and the hadiths (which are very important in elaborating on the commandments of the Quran, without them, a huge portion of the Quran becomes unreadable, or as you rightly mentioned, open to the incorrect interpretations), as I've demonstrated in the paragraph above.

I hope this helps, if you have any more questions or don't completely understand feel free to let me know :)

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