were all of the sahabah pious muslims

asked 765829 yaqin's gravatar image

This talk is another must read. Salaam

(Feb 15 at 11:02) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Reminding profits the believers. Salaam

(Mar 22 at 16:47) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Only Allah knows who is truly pious. We cannot judge anyone of them. we cannot judge anyone. ill explain why. you might see someone going to the mosque every prayer and giving charity. but...you dont know what they do behind closed doors.Only Allah knows.

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Yes beloved sisters what the both of you have said is the truth, for only Allah knows the heart, and only Allah knows what we do in secret and this why only Allah can judge.Inshallah when I get some time I want to present some crucial information for both of you and myself to ponder.Then we can discuss this question inshallah.but again your answers are the truth and I thank both of you.Salaam

(Jun 20 '13 at 09:50) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@abyadgirl @stronghold lets talk about this topic.

(Oct 26 '13 at 20:49) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

I'm want to know from anyone is this the haqq or not? If it is not and you have trxtual proof to support your claim, inshallah I will himbly accept it...salaam

(Oct 27 '13 at 09:47) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@yaqin, just to acknowledge you and this question. InshaAllah, i will study and get back to you on this.

(Oct 28 '13 at 05:21) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image

Brother Yaqin, this is a great topic for us Muslims but as I read on, I can see that you have already answered this question. What it brought to my mind instantly is that your sources of information came directly from the Quran and the Hadiths, the two very sources that you keep directing us to. This in my mind confirms for me the importance of referring to the Quran, the Hadiths and the Sunnah. How can we answer this question with any more insight than you have shown? Salaam

(Oct 28 '13 at 06:36) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

Brother, as I read your information I did wonder as to why we would need to know what was in the hearts of the sahaba as they are considered to be of the righteous and Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'aala is the Best of Judges. But of course, it is important for us to be aware and not for the purpose of judging. And you state tnis yourself.

(Oct 28 '13 at 07:27) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

Why is it important for us to be aware? Well, this links in with the degrees of adherance to the Quran, the Sunnah and the Hadiths. It explains why there are the growing number of sects and the fact that only one of these is upon the correct path. I see the haqq which you are presenting and why it is important to know. And Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'aala praises knowledge. If we are wanting to beupon the truth than we need to know this information. Salaam and may Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'aala bless you.

(Oct 28 '13 at 07:27) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

@stronghold, you never cease to amaze me, truly Allah has blessed you with baseerah crystal clear understanding. Most muslims can't rap their brains around the fact that Allah was talking to the sahabah directly in the quran. And the hadiths I qouted are looked over as if they are not there. Anyone that goes against the book of Allah and the authenticated sunnah is not pious. True we are going to make mistakes, but the believer offers tauba than holdfast to the rope of Allah. The hadith states that some apostized and some innovated, whatever the case maybe we as muslim must come to the

(Oct 28 '13 at 08:06) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

realization that our deen does not rest on the sunnah of no one but the Rasul saws. When we forget this then we fall into the catergory of who Allah speaks about in sura 6:44, I know for some muslims this topic pains them as it does me. But it also show me that even though the Rasul was in their prsenence there was still some who was upon ash shakk doubt, which bred hypocrisy in their hearts. So it is easy for me to understand that today it is still prevalent and titles don't mean righteousness, adhering to the quran and sunnah does. Salaam my beloved brother may Allah guide you

(Oct 28 '13 at 08:14) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image
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Allah knows best. Im afraid to speak of them .. I think its safe to say as humans we make mistakes and commit errors. Bit as far as knowing the contents of those hearts or their dealing with Allah subhana WA ta'ala, I don't have the slightest idea.

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@My beloved sisters Sadie and a_mohammad: Let first start by informing you that there are two categories of sahabah:

1)There are those who adhere to Allah and His Rasul saws without question, opinion or doubt. These are the believers.(sura 4:59) This is do to their compliance with the rulings of the Qur'an and the Sunnah and this has two aspects:

1)Sacredness of the ruling, for it comes from Allah. 2)The obligation of the compliance with the holy legislator and the impermissibility of breaking it's law. Proofs: 8:20, 24:51-52, 59:7, 4:65, 15:89, 33:36.

2)the second category are in when their hearts was a disease and they did not adhere to the Rasul saws and they did not refer back to the Qur'an or the sunnah and they had doubt of the Rasul saws. This group treated the Rasul saws as any imperfect mortal, they did not treat the Rasul how Allah has commanded he Qur'an. Proofs: 49:2, 9:61, 10:15, 33:57, 58:8, 45:18, 9:38. Inshallah, allow me to present the words of Allah azza wal jall, " Then We gave the Book for inheritance to such of Our slaves whom We chose ( the followers of Muhammad). Then of them are some who wrong their ownselves, and of them are some who follow a middle course, and of them are some who are, by Allah's leave, foremost in good deeds. That is indeed a great grace." (sura35:32) Allah has broken down the inheritors of the Qur'an (followers Muhammad saws) into three groups:

1)Those who wrong themselves 2)Those who takes the middle course 3)Those who are foremost in good deeds by Allah's permission

These are the ayats proves man wrongs his ownself as Allah has state, this is done by their own free will.(10:108, 39:41)

This ayat the devine precint of Lordship to be above and justice as a provider and guide. ( 4:40) This ayats shows Allah testing his servants whether they choose faith, obedience or dis belief and disobedience.(67:2) These ayats deals wit Allah's reward and punishment is requital of what they have carved out of there deeds. (2:281, 3:161, 5:22, 74:38, 4:111, 18:106, 67:6, 3:198, 98:8) These ayats deals with people being responsible themselves for their disbelief.(3:19, 14:8, 38:28, 24:52, 5:78) This ayat proves Allah has given mankind the option to choose between belief and disbelief. (18:29) Despite the number of the three groups the Qur'an mentioned the verses that abscribe guidance and deviation are numerous and clear, however the manner in which these two aspect relate to eachother has been gathered from the Qur'anic texts. Those that follow the middle course, in this case the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak, their intentions are good, but they have much to learn about the true Muslim life and Muslim virtrues. These virtrues is ebadah (worship) and this has four principles: 1)Ascertainment of what Allah and His Rasul saws love and is please with 2)The enactment of that in the heart 3)The enactment of that in the tongue 4)The enactment of that in the limbs. Now with this foundation laid let's investigate about who is pious and who is not. For the past week I have been asking questions about certain Islamic history and I did so for a reason, we must keep in mind that some of the ayats that came down was speaking to the companions directly, even though most muslims are taught that all of the sahabah were pious, this concept is not the facts, for in the Qur'an there are numerous ayats that says different, also there are numerous hadeeth that says different, I will quote the words of Allah aza wal jall, first, " And among the Bedouins, round about you, some are hypocrites, and so are some among the people of Al-Madinah, they exaggerate and persist in hypocrisy, you (O Muhammad)know them not, We know them. We shall punish them twice, and thereafter they shall be brought back to a great torment. This ayat clearly says that our beloved Prophet saws did not know who the hypocrites were only Allah did. So who can say which one of the sahabah are not hypocrites and if anyone says all of them were pious this goes against the Qur'an. Now lets look at the hadeeth:

Reported by Abu Hurayra Rasul saws said, " I will be standing on the day of judgement, a group will come. When I know them, a angel will come out between me and them saying to them: come on! I will say: Where to? He will say: To hell, by Allah I will ask: What for? He will say: They apostatized after you. Then another group will come. When I know them, a angel will come between me saying to them: come on, I will ask: where to? He will say: To Hell, by Allah , I will say: what for? He will say: They have apostatized after you. I think that ONLY A VERY FEW OF THEM WILL BE RESCUED." (sahih Bukhari)

Reported by Ibn Al-Musayyab Rasul saws said, "Some of my companions will come to me at the pond but they will be taken away. I will say: O my Lord, they are my companions, HE WILL SAY: YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AFTER YOU." (Bukhari)

Reported by Abdullah Rasul saws said, "I will precede you to the pond in paradise. Some of you will come to me and then they will be taken away before me. I will say: O my Lord, thay are my companions! It will be said to me: You do not know what they have done after you." (sahih Bukhari)

Reported by Abdullah ibn Abbas Rasul saws said," Some of my companions will be taken to the left. I will say: they are my companions! It will be said to me: You do not know what they have fabricated after you." (sahih bukhari volume 2 )

Notice all these hadeeths say that something happened after the Rasul saws was gone. Now I implore you to re-read all of the questions that I asked, such as, Fadak, Calamity of Thursday, prohibition of hadeeth. Then gauging from the Qur'an what category do the ones in these incidents fall into.... I humbly await you two reply....May Allah reward you.

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Needs attention brothers and sisters .

(Aug 25 '13 at 03:55) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

@inclined2truth this is the post I was talking about. Salaam

(Nov 11 '13 at 11:09) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@inclined2truth read my post

(Nov 11 '13 at 19:47) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

I have read it brother yaqin.

(Nov 11 '13 at 20:16) inclined2truth inclined2truth's gravatar image

Al hamdulilah brother.

(Nov 11 '13 at 23:11) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Salam Alikuum. well. what can i say, Like i said before we cannot judge others. Just like you've written about ""Reported by Ibn Al-Musayyab Rasul saws said, "Some of my companions will come to me at the pond but they will be taken away. I will say: O my Lord, they are my companions, HE WILL SAY: YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE DONE AFTER YOU." (Bukhari)"" we dont know what lies in peoples heart or faith. Allah will be the one to judge. I still cannot tell you anything else. all i can say is 7amdillah i dont have to judge anyone. or worry about anyones deeds except my own... im nto really sure what you want me to say.....ma salama

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Ok beloved sister look at it this way, there are muslims that teach that All of the companions were pious and good Muslims, and the Qur'an an the sunnah says different, so why is this concept being taught? Never will I judge anyone for what you have said is the ultimate truth, only Allah can judge,but speaking on ones actions is not judging it is speaking about the actions that contradicts ones words, now lets reflect on the question asked and if one says yes that that one has went against the book of Allah and the sunnah.sister Im not judging im staing the facts...salaam

(Jun 24 '13 at 14:31) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

and history in Islam has shown us some of the ones that were not pious and the rest Allah knows best and what happens to them is up to Allah,my reason for stating this is to keep us clear of the innovative practices that has been implemented into the deen you quoted one of the hadeeth I used but you must not negate what all of them said and that is that He the Rasul saws didn't know what they did after him,one of the hadeeth tells us what they did and that was fabricate.also keep in mind what Allah has told him in the Qur'an in sura 9:101,

(Jun 24 '13 at 14:48) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

and that being that He didn't know the hypocrites that were in Madina but Allah knew. Were not the companions in madina? Is me speaking about this fact judging them? you stated that you don't know what I wanted from you in your answer, and I don't want anything but good for you and all muslims. You gave an answer that I agreed with all I did is go alittle further to show you another outlook. may Allah guide you

(Jun 24 '13 at 14:56) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

...yes...im sure people say that all of the companions were pious. as you say. innovative you said. but asking why they do it is like asking why people go against Allah (swt) when they know the truth. i dont have the answer. and i dont think anyone does,so why ask why?

(Jun 24 '13 at 14:57) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

beloved sister I never asked why if you read the questions I asked the answers reflect the actions of certain muslims, why people do things that goes against Islam is clear for Alah has told us that they have a disease in their hearts, and only Allah can remove it.I know why and if is of the shaytan.But I thank you for your dialogue. may Allah guide you...salaam

(Jun 24 '13 at 15:46) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

""Ok beloved sister look at it this way, there are muslims that teach that All of the companions were pious and good Muslims, and the Qur'an an the sunnah says different, so why is this concept being taught? ""

u asked.

(Jun 24 '13 at 16:08) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

yes I did but my why doesn't question nothing about a decree sent to guide the affairs of mankind and jinn, when one ask why in this content than it is from the whispers of shaytan.my why is questioning the acts of men which contradicts the Qur'an and the sunnah.sister there is a difference.thank you again may Allah guide you.

(Jun 24 '13 at 16:28) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

-_- thats what im saying! HUMANS DO STUPID THINGS. Thats y! there is no other reason. i really dont see what ur asking anymore. people say things when they dont understand. just human nature.

(Jun 24 '13 at 17:02) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image
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(Jul 03 '13 at 10:23) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Lets talk about it muslims

(Jul 15 '13 at 11:10) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Needs to be read

(Jul 24 '13 at 08:14) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

What is pious a companion

(Jul 25 '13 at 08:24) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

A pious companion is one who follows the Qur'an and authenticated sunnah to the T. Meaning no bid'ah no self desire no straying away from the truth. Subhana Allah. One who doesn't take anyone's word without turning to Qur'an / sunnah . Selflessness and submitting his every will that his eyes mouth hands feet do For Allah.

(Jul 25 '13 at 12:06) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

@sadie may Allah reward you and guide you, now I must ask are the ones that involved with fadak incident the thursday the saqeefa or the banning of hadeeth pious by your definition.or can anyone who goes against the definition given be rightly guided? ..salaam

(Jul 25 '13 at 14:15) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

sup, yaqin. you're still trying to slowly pull an answer out of sadie. still trying to get her to say the first three caliphates were not rightly guided. dude, this is like pulling a tooth. just do it quickly. that's the best method. state your destination.

(Jul 25 '13 at 14:35) pulldatooth pulldatooth's gravatar image

Mike.... Why do you have to against our god you have your own religion and we got our, we do not workship what you workship and you do not worshiped what I workship why can you just leave muslim alone. Please don't commit sin because all of us are fasting please brother

(Jul 25 '13 at 14:42) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

What is rightly guided .?

(Aug 07 '13 at 01:59) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@bibi mike doesnt believe in god.

(Aug 20 '13 at 15:38) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

Ya he doesn't believe so lets excuse his behavior. My beloved yaqin I will Insha Allah give an answer that suffices you. Salam.

(Aug 21 '13 at 02:48) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

There are many that are of this mindset.

(Sep 14 '13 at 18:20) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@stronghold I have bren following your answer and al hamdulilah, Allah azza wal jall has blessed you with baseerah understanding,(crystal clear understanding). Ma'shallah, many has a concept about the sahabah, and yes many sahabah were good people, but not all. This question is what I want to hear your haqq on. Read my post and all the others, then give your take. Salaam

(Sep 29 '13 at 08:59) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image
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@yaqin, in reply to your first question, about the pious, the sahabahs. The sahabahs, were at odds at times, and it is evident that all was not even between them. Allah knows best. As the companions were in such a learning curve and had to find truth within themselves also. Not everyone was as perfect as Mohammad. Fallible to inner thoughts and perhaps desires. The hadiths are subject to strong and weak links, and some are referred to as fabricated. This shows the the scholars have noticed this transparent worth of the sahabahs. You mention the word pious. To me this the ultimate word of true worship, ibadah. For it takes great strength to be so pure and follow greatly all that is asked of us. Fadak, I have looked in the Hadiths, just regarding the word alone, it refers to the inheritance of Fatima. Fatima was not allowed the inheritance., Which i am still trying to get my head around. Fatima was allowed property from non fighting funds, but not from sadakah, from the welfare funds. But Fatima received nothing. The calamity of Thursday, known as Hadith of pen and paper, Riziyat yawn al-khamis, That Umar refused the Prophet the use of writing down his messages for future use and direction. Muhammad saw it a test of the sahabahs faith in the Quran. So I think this was a turning point in the prohibition of the Hadiths. That the hadiths should be adhered to ,as Muhammad had many beneficial things, practices to pass down. I cam across an article,called, Her sermon-- after Fadak was snatched, link is http://www.duas.org/Sahife%20Zehra/dua74.htm, is this authentic.? It is heart rendering and wonderful. Please correct me if i am wrong. I wish no ill or slander on the Sahabahs, but i can now see this subject is of use. After all, i have had a husband who strictly observed Malik Hadiths, and my second husband a Salfi, i have a friend who is sufi, and a friend who is a shitte. And you guessed it, many , many debates and arguments. Especially with the shitte. I found it most disturbing at what they say and blasphemous talk about Kadijah, and the Sahabahs.

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Where is the reference to such dua ? what is the chain of narration ? So many questions are needed to be asked before one believe in these things ......

(Dec 14 '13 at 06:14) Ahmadomar Ahmadomar's gravatar image

@abyadgirl, please forgive me for taking so long yo get back with you on your question of authenticity of this sermon. The answer to your question is twofold which is part of the problem with islam today. First as the brother had pointedout the chain is not established and this is due to the fact that it comes from Al kafi which is a collection of hadiths from ahlul Bayat. These hadiths donot adhere to the system ilm rijal implemented by the scholars not the Rasul saws. Second, so if you are of a sunni mindset than it is a fabrication for the shia and their sources are kuffar, and if you are

(Dec 14 '13 at 10:03) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

what? if you're what? important thought, taking your time.

(Dec 14 '13 at 10:14) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Of a shia mindset than it is authentic and the sunni and their sources are kuffar. The shia do accept hadiths from sunni sources from certain sahabah but the sunni don't accept any hadiths of the shia, especially since the shia do not accept the system of ilm rijal. The sad part is that the laymen are stuck in the middle. So to answer your question, according to the system implemented this hadith is a fabrication, what I have read in the sahih sitta about Fatima is that she was very angry with Abu Bakr. The brother feel she has done so in error, but I disagree. Allah is the knower

(Dec 14 '13 at 10:18) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@yaqin and @abyadgirl... 1. The method of ilm rijal does not established in shia narrations as it is establish in Sunni narration and this is a well understood fact. Therefore you cant base shia hadeeth to slander the companion who have compile quran. Ma'azAllah if Abu Bakr , Umar Usman became apostate [like what they claim] then how can you be so sure of the quran compiled by apostate [ Refer to bukhari 9:301 to know how Quran was compile] , So shia narrations cant be used for anything of that sort because their ilm rijaal is not established...

(Dec 14 '13 at 13:16) Ahmadomar Ahmadomar's gravatar image

@yaqin and @ abdyagirl 2. The shia take hadeeth only from those sahaba who were within the Party of Ali whereas in sunni books specially bukhari and Musnad Ahmad you will find hadeeth from Rafidee narrators , but the condition which our scholars have kept that the hadeeth should be in general and not talking about shia aqaid because then it is high priority that Rafidee whould have fabricated that to suit his belief.

(Dec 14 '13 at 13:19) Ahmadomar Ahmadomar's gravatar image

3.Fatima anger with Abu bakr [Allah be pleased with both of them]- You wrote that "The brother feel she has done so in error, but I disagree." I never said that Fatima did that[i.e her anger]in error but what I said is about her demand of Fadak thinking that it should be inherited. So what I mean is that'Fatima[radiallaho anha]WAS WRONG IN HER IJITHAAD "and I NEVER MEANT that "Fatima [radiallaho anha]WAS WRONG OR IN ERROR." If you cant understand the meaning/difference between two sentence then you need to go back to fiqh and learn what is error in general means and error in ijtihaad means?

(Dec 14 '13 at 13:25) Ahmadomar Ahmadomar's gravatar image

@yaqin and @abdyagirl....

4.If you indeed think that Fadak was the property of Ahle bait then can you tell me that when Imam Ali(radiallahu anhu)got the Caliphate then why did not he gave them to the Hasnayn [radiallahu anhuma)? And why did he continued with Fadak in the same way as was done by Abu Bakr and Umar[radiallahu anhuma ] ?

Quran 49:15 "The TRUE BELIEVERS are only those who accepted faith in Allah and His Messenger and then didn"t have any doubt,and fought with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way; it is they who are the SADIQUN".

Please ponder

Wassalaam Allah knows best

(Dec 14 '13 at 13:35) Ahmadomar Ahmadomar's gravatar image

Brother again you are not understanding, I presented proof that it was given to her before the Rasul saws returned to Allah. So it was not an inheritance it was a gift. Next al hamdulilahee I have a good understanding and I still say she was not wrong for her ijtihad you are speaking from oneside of the story. What you ssid about the hadiths I already explained to the sister so you need to reread what I said. Do you know that she presented quranic ayats when she presented her case? Really when I read your responce it is moot, especially your ending. What you said about fadak being for ahlul

(Dec 14 '13 at 16:46) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Bayat is moot also for again you are speaking from oneside of the story. Really beloved to me it doesn't matter for the right or wrong of it is for Allah to judge. I'm of the mindset that it was a gift and it being taken from her was wrong. Salaam

(Dec 14 '13 at 16:52) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@persiangulf I'm curious to hear your imput in this topic. Salaan

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In the name of Allah! SALAM.Dear brothers Everyone in this world is obedient to Allah and the Messenger of Allah will reward him.Whoever is guilty of hell is waiting for him. Whether or not his companions. Otherwise dispose of the justice of God. Why is all this about the followers of the Holy Qur'an, Moses and other prophets of Hzr said. The persecution that they were prophets. Teach the Companions and the Muslims. Past prophets have followers with a difference. Then why do we have difference. Who is to blame. Some Sahaba are certainly the main culprit.Are they all are in heaven. Thank you, dear brothers read the Quran... .QURAN:3-Or deemed ye that ye would enter paradise while yet Allah knoweth not those of you who really strive, nor knoweth those (of you) who are steadfast? ( 142 ).QURAN:3- Then, after grief, He sent down security for you. As slumber did it overcome a party of you, while (the other) party, who were anxious on their own account, thought wrongly of Allah, the thought of ignorance. They said: Have we any part in the cause? Say (O Muhammad): The cause belongeth wholly to Allah. They hide within themselves (a thought) which they reveal not unto thee, saying: Had we had any part in the cause we should not have been slain here. Say: Even though ye had been in your houses, those appointed to be slain would have gone forth to the places where they were to lie. (All this hath been) in order that Allah might try what is in your breasts and prove what is in your hearts. Allah is Aware of what is hidden in the breasts (of men). ( 154 ). QURAN:3- Those who, while they sat at home, said of their brethren (who were fighting for the cause of Allah): If they had been guided by us they would not have been slain. Say (unto them, O Muhammad): Then avert death from yourselves if ye are truthful. ( 168 ). QURAN:3- He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed. ( 7 )

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In islam today we are taught this concept, I love islam and I dislike miguidance. Can anyone give some more haqq on this topic whether it be for or against.salaam

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