I'm asking this question because I just got off of the phone with a brother and he told me that he follows the salaf, and another brother said that he is upon the salaf, I must ask is this the sunnah of the Rasul saws

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These are the author if those that push a unislamic movement which is furnished with oil revenue to push foeard this unislamic propagada how we follow fasiq muslims. Nobody wants to address this topic I welcome the debate inshallah I will expose those whoc laim to of the salafee dawah.

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(Jul 25 '13 at 16:56) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

so what if you don't believe in the koran? what if you want to practice voodoo? what if you are a satanist? what if you want to worship at the feet of a five thousand year-old buddha?

so what does the koran mean by these verses: [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. [8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. [9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

wake up, why'd you leave the keys apon the table?

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@Shaaq89 give me your take on my question

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Hello my dear friens. I agree with Arber and I want to say that those who hate and kill shias are not muslim.Because a muslim can not kill another muslim, for that he is his brother.The killers are americans, zionists and salafists.It's clear that shias has political and ideological conflicts with american and zionism,so I prefer to speak about salafists who claime they are muslim but not only they have killed shias but also they have killed many sunnys,too.They want to pose themselves as spokesmen of sunny madhab to split different groups of muslims.They have been condomned by both shia and sunny leaders.You must not call them muslims and differentiate between salafists and sunnys.I can assure you that our sunny brothers love us and support us.

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@Merry, I wonder what happened to the brother shaaq89, we wasbhaving a great debate on the questioned posed why do they hate sheas. In this debate he informed me that he was salafi that was my purpose for digging out this question. I gather the debate got to heavy for him, not to disturb you brother, but I just wanted to let you know that I agree with you totally...Salaam

(Aug 18 '13 at 09:00) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

sup yaqin? how ya doing today. strange things happen on this website. i posted a comment above to merry, and now i see it is gone? maybe someone didn't like shaaq's answer and erased it?

merry did you get a chance to see my comment? do you remember the jist of it?

(Aug 19 '13 at 10:22) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

Thats possible just know I wouldnt do it .

(Aug 19 '13 at 18:33) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Hi dear Abu rauf.Of coarse I remember your comment and as I remember because of that I go to the question " why do people hate shias" and I post a comment for that question but I see that here.What's happend?

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yeah merry, things get erased sometimes. oh well. but your statement that zionists are influencing salafists confuses me. i would think their goals are complete opposites? especially when it comes to jerusalem.

also, i asked about your new president. what do you think of him?

(Aug 21 '13 at 12:22) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

I'm checking some books to give you references for what I've said.It takes a little time.In other words I want to explain a little about salaf and wahabism history.So,I need much more time and as soo as possible I'll give my reasons. President Rouhani has just started and I can't judge about him but I hope he will be succesful in leading Iran and Islam to sublimity .

(Aug 21 '13 at 13:09) UnknownUser UnknownUser's gravatar image

k. no problem. take ur time. i'm in no rush. are you looking into the british colonial officer who influenced wahabi?

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The ones who call themselves salafi/wahabi (most of them) are following someone called Muhammad Abdel-wahab who invented new version of Islam and call the other muslims who do not follow his way a kafir or mushrik and even allow killing them. as they fighted the muslims who are doing Hijj claiming that they are on bid'aa.. the british(MI6) made him/them and after a while it is becoming the ruling religion version for saudia Arabia. it is totally made to allow muslims by a fake name of religion to kill other muslims.

the problem in their thought that they assume body to Allah,(hands, eyes and feet) as they do not understand the metaphorical statements mentioned in Quran.. and higher is Allah about they describe a high highness.

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Great answer inclined2truth may Allah increase you in knowledge. Salaam

(Sep 11 '13 at 13:12) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

yaqin, i know you are crazy, but i thought you knew your history better than that. mi6 wasn't formed until the early 20th century. wahhabi died in the 18th century.

inclined2truth, i think you better change your name. or don't let little things like facts get in the way of "the truth". blame it on european colonialism, always works well amoung the muslims. lol.

(Sep 24 '13 at 15:53) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

i'm checking some books to give you references for what I've said.It takes a little time.In other words I want to explain a little about salaf and wahabism history.So,I need much more time and as soo as possible I'll give my reasons. President Rouhani has just started and I can't judge about him but I hope he will be succesful in leading Iran and Islam to sublimity .

(Aug 21 at 13:09)MerryMerry's gravatar image k. no problem. take ur time. i'm in no rush. are you looking into the british colonial officer who influenced wahabi?

any day now????????

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Brother it doesn't matter if you call yourself Sunni or Shia or Salafi or Sufi or Jew, as long you read and believe what the Kuran says, and follow the commandments in the Kuran. When a Muslim ask me what I am, I tell him, I am Muslim, then he says, I think you misunderstood my question, I meant what sect in islam do you belong to, then I answer I belong to no sect, I believe in only one God and all the prophets of God. I don't recognize Sunni or Shia, because it is not the Kuran who is dividing you from each other, but it is the false Hadiths. Have you forgotten that Allah(Glorified be Thy name) stated: "We have left nothing out from this book, that comes to deal with every single matter." I just want you to think twice about that statement from your Lord. Are you a Muslim or maybe not? I am not saying that all Hadiths are 100% wrong, but they are not Gods word, and they might be wrong and changed. Allah(Gloryfied be Thy name) states in the holy Kuran that He will guard the holy Kuran from being corrupted. You have Gods word on it, yet the majority of Muslims turn away. Note: You Sunni or Shias will not be asked if you believed in the disciples of Muhammad(Peace and Blessings be upon him). Because they did not come with new commandments from God that you would have ignored some of Gods commandments if you didn't believe in those disciples. They did their duty while they lived, and you win nothing to curse them either. I bear witness to that there is only one God and Muhammad is the final messenger of God ---> That's my religion. The Disciples had to believe that Muhammad was the final Messenger from God to be Muslim, but Muhammad(Peace and blessings be upon him) had not to believe that his disciples was his disciples for him to be a Muslim. I am just trying to wake you up. May Allah(The truthful, the all powerful, the merciful) wake you up. InshAllah.

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1) 5:33: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment, 5:34: Except for those who return before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

The punishment is upon them if they go to war against Allah and his Messenger, which means they have come to kill you. And those who keep doing the evil things, I think you ignore that. People who does harm to lot of people should be punished, to free the innocent people from the terror. And Allah is Merciful here saying: "Except for those who return before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

2) 5:51: O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

Allah knows everything between the heaven and the earth and beyond, and He know the past and the future, He knows that Jews and Christians that are allies of each other will try to break Islam and take their land until the end of time. Allah gives us secret knowledge. In fact if you join them, they will manipulate you to betray Islam. Just like the Muslim countries that have joined Nato today. It is not talking about friendship which you have with your neighbor, but a kind of joining power. "Allah guides not the wrongdoing people." Elhamdulillah.

3) 8:12: "When your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

This is the punishment from God in the hereafter for those who did not worship their Lord. And glad tidings for those who are worshiping their Lord.

4) 9:1: [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists. 9:2: So travel freely, [polytheists], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers. 9:3: And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah. And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment. 9:4: Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous." 9:5: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. 9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know. 9:7 How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous. 9:8 How [can there be a treaty] while, if they gain dominance over you, they do not observe concerning you any pact of kinship or covenant of protection? They satisfy you with their mouths, but their hearts refuse [compliance], and most of them are defiantly disobedient. 9:9 They have exchanged the signs of Allah for a small price and averted [people] from His way. Indeed, it was evil that they were doing. 9:10 They do not observe toward a believer any pact of kinship or covenant of protection. And it is they who are the transgressors. 9:11 But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know. 9:12 And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease. 9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers. 9:14 Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people 9:15 And remove the fury in the believers' hearts. And Allah turns in forgiveness to whom He wills; and Allah is Knowing and Wise. 9:16 Do you think that you will be left [as you are] while Allah has not yet made evident those among you who strive [for His cause] and do not take other than Allah , His Messenger and the believers as intimates? And Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

It clearly says that Allah commanded Muslims to conquer the polytheists that are fighting against the Muslims first, and to not kill those whom the Muslims have made a peace treaty with. "Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you."

I find nothing harmful against innocent Christians or Jews or polytheists, Except for a punishment in the hereafter. But you who are eager to find that so you can criticize the Kuran, might read it in misunderstanding. And if you don't trust the Kuran believing Muslims, just look back in history, Muslims never massacred Christians, Jews or polytheists just for their belief. They always had full right to worship their religion in Islamic rule. Muslims and Jews was Massacred just for their belief when the Christians invaded Jerusalem. And now the Muslims accepted the Jews to live in their land with open arms, after the rule of Adolf Hitler, which not only Jews was harmed but Millions of people that wasn't Jews. Didn't the Muslims want to help the Jews more then anyone else? The Gypsies was also Massacred just like the Jews, and they have no country either, why didn't they go to India where they have their roots. And today the Jews fight out the Palestinians from their homes and settle new homes for Jews there. You know what? The verse which you criticized of the Kuran came true: 5:51: "O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of one another. Why didn't they take over a Christian land? But one of the holiest land of the Muslims, and the Muslims even accepted all the Jews in with open arms. Now they are being mistreated by the Jews. And all this bloodshed that has been made because of that. You see? It is Allah or say in Hebrew Ellah, the God of Adam, Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all) who we Muslims trust in. Satan is harmful for you. In the Jewish holy book, the Cross is forbidden and it is curse. But Christians worship it. And who is the cursed one? Satan...

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1) so what constitutes spreading coruption? the koran says to kill those who spread corruption. that could be almost anything.

2)"He knows that Jews and Christians that are allies of each other will try to break Islam and take their land until the end of time" just a bit paranoid are we? well there you go, you are not to trust christians or jews, and i can only imagine the same holds for polytheists and atheists? so why should any western nation trust muslims? and i don't think there are any muslim nations in nato. turkey is a declared secular state. who is it you think is in nato, perhaps i missed something?

3) "3) 8:12: "When your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

This is the punishment from God in the hereafter for those who did not worship their Lord. And glad tidings for those who are worshiping their Lord." punishment in the hereafter? i thought this was revealed before the battle of badr?

4)"innocent Christians or Jews or polytheists" well there is the big question? who is innocent? i think your history is a little hazy. 3000 jews killed during the rein of the emirate of cordova in one day by their muslim neighbors. guess you have never heard of the almohads? the zorostians driven from persia by the muslims. the church of the holy sepulchre destroyed in 1009 by the muslim ruler of jerusalem, started a little thing called the crusades. the ottomans killing christians who didn't convert. your rosy picture of muslim tolerance is a bit incomplete. how about this very weekend, church bombed in pakistan killing 80, mall overrun in nairoba, death toll rising i'm sure.

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Why don't the Pakistani government rise up and kill all Christians? Those bombing innocent people are terrorists and will probably burn in hell. They also bomb eachother... LOL

Well bro, you follow what you like, I know that Islam doesn't teach bad things. When I read these verses you brought up, I can see what you think, and understand, but you have to read with understanding, why do you think over a billion Muslims don't do it the way you say Kuran says to do? Is it because they don't believe in the whole Kuran? In that case they can't be Muslims. over 90% of the Muslims are peaceful. The rest read the Kuran without a brain like you. (They are not Muslims but they claim it.) And so they go blow themselves up... Good that you aren't Muslim-wannabe... Hehehe :D

And to kill those who spread corruption does not mean to kill almost anyone, to spread corruption means to murder and stuff like that. Every nations have this rule... China, USA, Russia and probably almost the whole world. But in Islam they have the chance to repent: "Except for those who return before you apprehend them." and in Islam you don't have to kill those, it says: or that they be exiled from the land. If you ask me, that's very merciful... Unlike the so called democratic nations USA and Israel who have killed over 1 million Muslims the past years. Why are you criticizing Islam when your so called democratic nations do worse? Why don't you criticize them? Islam hater? Islam is the only religion on earth being criticized, even while they are being killed, and yet Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth, Hahahaha, can you stop it???

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