I'm asking this question because I just got off of the phone with a brother and he told me that he follows the salaf, and another brother said that he is upon the salaf, I must ask is this the sunnah of the Rasul saws

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merry, how many books ya going to read? well never mind the zionist influence on the salafist. what do you think of your president returning home to have shoes thrown at him? sup wit dat?

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merry, still nothing?

(Oct 08 '13 at 15:32) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

merry, i've got a new name. but still waiting.

(Oct 25 '13 at 15:01) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

ah, ignorant. the day wouldn't be complete without a muslim calling me ignorant. thanks, now i see the light. all praise is due to allah. so that 10% really seem to get around. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24282758 (poor fruit vendor)

perhaps your god should spend less time trying to DEFEAT me and more trying to defeat the terrorists? maybe some of that guidance that he will's to whom he chooses?

so the salaf lean heavy on the hadith's and the words and examples of muhammad to suppliment the koran. looks like some must love this hadith:

It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: They are from them.

as for me being not thankful, you have missed the mark again. i'm very thankful. i just am thankful to those who deserve it. i'm thankful to my parents and brothers and sisters and friends. hell like 15 years ago a buddy of mine had his bachlor party in new orleans and we were having diner at the house of blues. one guy suggested i give thanks before the meal. so i said something like, first we should thank those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for our meals, the cows, the pigs, the chickens and the fish. let us thank the farmers who raised them, the people who have done the dirty work for us, those who work in the slaughter houses and meet packing plants. those who transported our food for us. the construction workers who paved the way for the trucks. let us thank our forefathers who came here to form a more perfect union...(then the food started to arrive so i wraped it up) and let us not forget the cooks and most importantly the wait staff. (a waiter was standing next to me at that point). so i'm very thankful to those who deserve thanks.

btw i'm a pretty good tiper.

Wa 'Alaikum

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Ok dude, not discussing this with you anymore, your ignorant. But I really believe in God like it says in the Quran, Torah and some places in the Bible. I believe in one unique God that created everything, and there is no limit to His power. And that God beget a child, I don't believe He did that, not because He can't, but because He chose not to, and because He stated it clearly in the Quran. And why I don't believe in Christianity is that they kiss and bear with them and bow down to something that was declared cursed in the Torah, that is the cross. They are following a Greek religion. Not Gods religion. Why do I believe in God in this days when almost everyone around me makes fun of it. That is because I see Gods signs everywhere, and if you declare that there is no God, then your not thankful. Peace.

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wow, somebody has a flair for the dramatic.

"Lmao dude..." glad i could make you laugh. you know what they say, laughter is the best medicine.

"THE TRUTH IS THAT MUSLIMS ARE BEING ATTACKED PHYSICALLY VIOLENTLY AND VIA MEDIA, DO YOU GUYS REALLY THINK YOU WILL SUCCEED YOUR MISSION?" i didn't know i had a mission. i do think sharia is bad law and should be kept out of american courts. but the constitution should handle that.

"AGAINST GOD? US MUSLIMS ALONE YOU COULD PROBABLY DEFEAT EASY, BUT DEFEAT GOD?" now that is funny. now you sound like mullah omar.

"YOU THINK YOU GOT DEEP RELATIONSHIP WITH SATAN BUT AT THE END YOU'LL SEE HE DECEIVED YOU, YOU WILL BOTH BE CAST INTO HELLFIRE, THEN YOU WILL ASK HIM WHY HE MISSLEADED YOU, HE WILL TELL YOU THAT HE NEVER FORCED YOU, IT WAS YOUR OWN CHOICE (LAUGHING), LOL!" did you write the song war pigs? hand of god has struck the hour...satan laughing spreads his wings. something like that.

"YOUR TIME IS WRONG, ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION WHILE IT IS BEING ATTACKED BY ALMOST ALL NATIONS ON EARTH," yeah you have said that about y'all's ability to reproduce. i'm aware of the demographics of the world. appearently you have no idea as to how many countries there are in the world. there are around 200 countries, name 20 that are "attacking islam"

"EVEN MUSLIM (U.S puppets) NATIONS. ARE PEOPLE CONVERTING BECAUSE THEY ARE THREATENED BY MUSLIMS? LOL, THEY ARE MORE THREATENED NOT TO CONVERT TO ISLAM, hahaha." i don't follow you? muslims in egypt and tunisa are converting to islam?? that doesn't make sense. now copts in egypt may want to convert, 40 churches burned since the military deposed morsi.

"YOUR POINT MAKE NO SENSE IF YOU COMPARE IT WITH THE REALITY... DO YOU THINK CHRISTIANS AND JEWS WOULD CONVERT TO ISLAM IF ISLAM WAS A VIOLENT RELIGION, LIKE THEY ARE TODAY?" what are these conversion rates you think exist?

"BRO, YOU SHOULD ACCEPT DEFEAT" defeat of what?

"AND SUBMIT TO ALLAH. ALLAHU AKBAR! GLORYFIED BE THY NAME =D JUST ACCEPT DEFEAT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS WHOLE NIGHT, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THE REALITY, OR TAKE A REALITY CHECK..." i see the reality, you are the one who seems delusional. are you off your meds or something? try not to let your head explode. it's daytime here. but you have pleasent dreams.

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Lmao dude... THE TRUTH IS THAT MUSLIMS ARE BEING ATTACKED PHYSICALLY VIOLENTLY AND VIA MEDIA, DO YOU GUYS REALLY THINK YOU WILL SUCCEED YOUR MISSION? AGAINST GOD? US MUSLIMS ALONE YOU COULD PROBABLY DEFEAT EASY, BUT DEFEAT GOD? YOU THINK YOU GOT DEEP RELATIONSHIP WITH SATAN BUT AT THE END YOU'LL SEE HE DECEIVED YOU, YOU WILL BOTH BE CAST INTO HELLFIRE, THEN YOU WILL ASK HIM WHY HE MISSLEADED YOU, HE WILL TELL YOU THAT HE NEVER FORCED YOU, IT WAS YOUR OWN CHOICE (LAUGHING), LOL! YOUR TIME IS WRONG, ISLAM IS THE FASTEST GROWING RELIGION WHILE IT IS BEING ATTACKED BY ALMOST ALL NATIONS ON EARTH, EVEN MUSLIM (U.S puppets) NATIONS. ARE PEOPLE CONVERTING BECAUSE THEY ARE THREATENED BY MUSLIMS? LOL, THEY ARE MORE THREATENED NOT TO CONVERT TO ISLAM, hahaha. YOUR POINT MAKE NO SENSE IF YOU COMPARE IT WITH THE REALITY... DO YOU THINK CHRISTIANS AND JEWS WOULD CONVERT TO ISLAM IF ISLAM WAS A VIOLENT RELIGION, LIKE THEY ARE TODAY? BRO, YOU SHOULD ACCEPT DEFEAT AND SUBMIT TO ALLAH. ALLAHU AKBAR! GLORYFIED BE THY NAME =D JUST ACCEPT DEFEAT, WE CAN TALK ABOUT THIS WHOLE NIGHT, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THE REALITY, OR TAKE A REALITY CHECK...

"Why don't the Pakistani government rise up and kill all Christians?" they would lose billions of dollars in foreign aid. speaking of the pakistani government and your appearent blindness to the atrocities committed by muslim, what do you think of article XX in pakistan? the fellow muslims', who receive people of different faiths with open arms, law against the people of the ahmadi faith.

"Those bombing innocent people are terrorists and will probably burn in hell. They also bomb eachother... LOL" yes i know, the sunni blow up the shia all the time, especially during ashura.

"Well bro, you follow what you like, I know that Islam doesn't teach bad things." well somebody's not getting the memo.

"When I read these verses you brought up, I can see what you think, and understand, but you have to read with understanding, why do you think over a billion Muslims don't do it the way you say Kuran says to do? Is it because they don't believe in the whole Kuran? In that case they can't be Muslims. over 90% of the Muslims are peaceful." maybe so, but there are 1.5 billion muslims. that would mean there are 150,000,000 violent muslims.

"The rest read the Kuran without a brain like you." certainly possible. or maybe some just put blind faith in the one guy in the village who does know how to read, and do whatever he says. glad to see you get my point, the koran is poorly written and hard to understand for people without a brain like me. i can only imagine how easy it is to manipulate the illiterate afghans and pakistanis. one does have to wonder how educated people like al-zawahri and bin laden drew the conclusions they did if there isn't something in islam that allows for killing innocent women and children. maybe it's in the hadith.

"(They are not Muslims but they claim it.) And so they go blow themselves up... Good that you aren't Muslim-wannabe... Hehehe :D" don't worry i only believe in this life. i'm the fathest thing from a suicide bomber you will meet.

"And to kill those who spread corruption does not mean to kill almost anyone, to spread corruption means to murder and stuff like that." why put the phrase in there. it was already established thou shall not kill, and you can kill those who fight allah and his apostle. why add mischief makers? only spreads confusion.

"Every nations have this rule... China, USA, Russia and probably almost the whole world." yes most societies have a rule against murder. but not against "stuff like that". see you need to be more specific when making law. broad statements like spreading corruption or mischief or stuff like that, don't cut. and are obviously open to a wide inturpretation.

"But in Islam they have the chance to repent: "Except for those who return before you apprehend them."" so if a mass murderer turns himself in before he is caught and says he is sorry, you can't punish him?????

"and in Islam you don't have to kill those, it says: or that they be exiled from the land. If you ask me, that's very merciful..." were are you going to exile them too? what is this the mariel boat lift? you plan on send all you criminals to florida?

"Unlike the so called democratic nations USA and Israel who have killed over 1 million Muslims the past years." you are right, technically we aren't democratic, we a representative republic.

"Why are you criticizing Islam when your so called democratic nations do worse?" how is it america does worst?

"Why don't you criticize them?" i criticize american foriegn and domestic policy all the time. as does much of the world. we don't cry and say people who criticize us hate us. the french, the british, the canadians have all criticized us and we are still friends.

"Islam hater?" hate might be a little strong, i don't like islam, especially sharia and your lack of seperation of religin and governance.

"Islam is the only religion on earth being criticized," hm, i think the buddhist are under fire right now for burma and sri lanka.

"even while they are being killed, and yet Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth, Hahahaha, can you stop it???" lol. i won't have to stop it. y'all will imploded under the weight of your own overpopulation. not sure why muslims always think it is a good think that you have doubled your population in the last thirty years, given many of you live in deserts and could barely feed yourselves in the 80s.

so you are leanred about the koran, maybe you can tell me where gog and magog are?

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Why don't the Pakistani government rise up and kill all Christians? Those bombing innocent people are terrorists and will probably burn in hell. They also bomb eachother... LOL

Well bro, you follow what you like, I know that Islam doesn't teach bad things. When I read these verses you brought up, I can see what you think, and understand, but you have to read with understanding, why do you think over a billion Muslims don't do it the way you say Kuran says to do? Is it because they don't believe in the whole Kuran? In that case they can't be Muslims. over 90% of the Muslims are peaceful. The rest read the Kuran without a brain like you. (They are not Muslims but they claim it.) And so they go blow themselves up... Good that you aren't Muslim-wannabe... Hehehe :D

And to kill those who spread corruption does not mean to kill almost anyone, to spread corruption means to murder and stuff like that. Every nations have this rule... China, USA, Russia and probably almost the whole world. But in Islam they have the chance to repent: "Except for those who return before you apprehend them." and in Islam you don't have to kill those, it says: or that they be exiled from the land. If you ask me, that's very merciful... Unlike the so called democratic nations USA and Israel who have killed over 1 million Muslims the past years. Why are you criticizing Islam when your so called democratic nations do worse? Why don't you criticize them? Islam hater? Islam is the only religion on earth being criticized, even while they are being killed, and yet Islam is the fastest growing religion on earth, Hahahaha, can you stop it???

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1) so what constitutes spreading coruption? the koran says to kill those who spread corruption. that could be almost anything.

2)"He knows that Jews and Christians that are allies of each other will try to break Islam and take their land until the end of time" just a bit paranoid are we? well there you go, you are not to trust christians or jews, and i can only imagine the same holds for polytheists and atheists? so why should any western nation trust muslims? and i don't think there are any muslim nations in nato. turkey is a declared secular state. who is it you think is in nato, perhaps i missed something?

3) "3) 8:12: "When your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

This is the punishment from God in the hereafter for those who did not worship their Lord. And glad tidings for those who are worshiping their Lord." punishment in the hereafter? i thought this was revealed before the battle of badr?

4)"innocent Christians or Jews or polytheists" well there is the big question? who is innocent? i think your history is a little hazy. 3000 jews killed during the rein of the emirate of cordova in one day by their muslim neighbors. guess you have never heard of the almohads? the zorostians driven from persia by the muslims. the church of the holy sepulchre destroyed in 1009 by the muslim ruler of jerusalem, started a little thing called the crusades. the ottomans killing christians who didn't convert. your rosy picture of muslim tolerance is a bit incomplete. how about this very weekend, church bombed in pakistan killing 80, mall overrun in nairoba, death toll rising i'm sure.

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1) 5:33: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment, 5:34: Except for those who return before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

The punishment is upon them if they go to war against Allah and his Messenger, which means they have come to kill you. And those who keep doing the evil things, I think you ignore that. People who does harm to lot of people should be punished, to free the innocent people from the terror. And Allah is Merciful here saying: "Except for those who return before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."

2) 5:51: O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people.

Allah knows everything between the heaven and the earth and beyond, and He know the past and the future, He knows that Jews and Christians that are allies of each other will try to break Islam and take their land until the end of time. Allah gives us secret knowledge. In fact if you join them, they will manipulate you to betray Islam. Just like the Muslim countries that have joined Nato today. It is not talking about friendship which you have with your neighbor, but a kind of joining power. "Allah guides not the wrongdoing people." Elhamdulillah.

3) 8:12: "When your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

This is the punishment from God in the hereafter for those who did not worship their Lord. And glad tidings for those who are worshiping their Lord.

4) 9:1: [This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists. 9:2: So travel freely, [polytheists], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers. 9:3: And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah. And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment. 9:4: Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous." 9:5: And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. 9:6 And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know. 9:7 How can there be for the polytheists a treaty in the sight of Allah and with His Messenger, except for those with whom you made a treaty at al-Masjid al-Haram? So as long as they are upright toward you, be upright toward them. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous. 9:8 How [can there be a treaty] while, if they gain dominance over you, they do not observe concerning you any pact of kinship or covenant of protection? They satisfy you with their mouths, but their hearts refuse [compliance], and most of them are defiantly disobedient. 9:9 They have exchanged the signs of Allah for a small price and averted [people] from His way. Indeed, it was evil that they were doing. 9:10 They do not observe toward a believer any pact of kinship or covenant of protection. And it is they who are the transgressors. 9:11 But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know. 9:12 And if they break their oaths after their treaty and defame your religion, then fight the leaders of disbelief, for indeed, there are no oaths [sacred] to them; [fight them that] they might cease. 9:13 Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers. 9:14 Fight them; Allah will punish them by your hands and will disgrace them and give you victory over them and satisfy the breasts of a believing people 9:15 And remove the fury in the believers' hearts. And Allah turns in forgiveness to whom He wills; and Allah is Knowing and Wise. 9:16 Do you think that you will be left [as you are] while Allah has not yet made evident those among you who strive [for His cause] and do not take other than Allah , His Messenger and the believers as intimates? And Allah is Acquainted with what you do.

It clearly says that Allah commanded Muslims to conquer the polytheists that are fighting against the Muslims first, and to not kill those whom the Muslims have made a peace treaty with. "Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you."

I find nothing harmful against innocent Christians or Jews or polytheists, Except for a punishment in the hereafter. But you who are eager to find that so you can criticize the Kuran, might read it in misunderstanding. And if you don't trust the Kuran believing Muslims, just look back in history, Muslims never massacred Christians, Jews or polytheists just for their belief. They always had full right to worship their religion in Islamic rule. Muslims and Jews was Massacred just for their belief when the Christians invaded Jerusalem. And now the Muslims accepted the Jews to live in their land with open arms, after the rule of Adolf Hitler, which not only Jews was harmed but Millions of people that wasn't Jews. Didn't the Muslims want to help the Jews more then anyone else? The Gypsies was also Massacred just like the Jews, and they have no country either, why didn't they go to India where they have their roots. And today the Jews fight out the Palestinians from their homes and settle new homes for Jews there. You know what? The verse which you criticized of the Kuran came true: 5:51: "O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are allies of one another. Why didn't they take over a Christian land? But one of the holiest land of the Muslims, and the Muslims even accepted all the Jews in with open arms. Now they are being mistreated by the Jews. And all this bloodshed that has been made because of that. You see? It is Allah or say in Hebrew Ellah, the God of Adam, Abraham, Ishmael and Isaac, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus and Muhammad (Peace be upon them all) who we Muslims trust in. Satan is harmful for you. In the Jewish holy book, the Cross is forbidden and it is curse. But Christians worship it. And who is the cursed one? Satan...

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so what if you don't believe in the koran? what if you want to practice voodoo? what if you are a satanist? what if you want to worship at the feet of a five thousand year-old buddha?

so what does the koran mean by these verses: [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, [5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people. [8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. [9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

wake up, why'd you leave the keys apon the table?

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