so. ive learned that men can have sex with their slaves. well...does that mean married slaves or only un married ones. does that mean men slaves as well as women slaves?? and since there are no more slaves from what i know...does that also include maids? and whyyyyy would men need to have sex with their slaves anyways. isnt it enough they can have 4 wives! then if they get to heaven they get to have at least 70! come on. tell me something!

asked 162218 a_mohammed's gravatar image

Salam

1- about married slaves,as "tokabo" said you need much more study about this case.

2- maides are not allowed at all because you don't OWN them.

3- what you mean men slaves ? men for men means GAY is totally forbidden in Islam. men slaves for women absolutely is Haram.

4- at the first point men can't have 4 wives just like that. there are very hard conditions for having more than one wife in Islam and I'll explain the reasons of this permission for men in Islam in my next post.

I just GTG. sorry.

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answered 304 peaceman's gravatar image

thanks. why cant women have men slaves. bas men can have women slaves.

(Jul 28 '13 at 16:13) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

urw :)

Women can have men or women slaves but if want to have sexual relation, they must marry to their slave.

(Jul 28 '13 at 16:16) peaceman peaceman's gravatar image

but men don't have to marry their slaves right?

(Jul 28 '13 at 17:23) mo_18 mo_18's gravatar image

that's right.

(Jul 29 '13 at 00:50) peaceman peaceman's gravatar image

-_- why. why doesnt the guy have to marry them.

(Jul 29 '13 at 05:10) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

Sister here is an answer regarding maids. Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

The servants who work in households do not come under the same rulings as slaves, whether male or female. Rather they come under the ruling of private workers who are hired to work for the employer, and are like any other employee.

We have already spoken about female servants and the ruling on bringing them from their countries, and the haraam actions committed by some families towards female servants. Please see the answer to question no. 26282.

Secondly:

What some of these heads of households have done to these servants is not condoned by Islam, rather Islam forbids it and warns against it. It is not permissible to use that as a means of attacking Islam or giving a bad impression of Islam, because these sins on the part of some Muslims are forbidden by Islam itself.

Al-Bukhaari (50) and Muslim (1661) narrated that Abu Dharr said: I cursed a man and slandered his mother, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to me: “O Abu Dharr, are you slandering his mother? You are a man in whom there is still some jaahiliyyah (ignorance)! Your slaves are your brothers whom Allaah has put under your command. So whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity and if you do so, then help them.” This is the justice of Islam towards slaves who are owned by a person, so how should it be with a servant who is not a slave who belongs to his or her employer, but is rather hired to do a job?

Thirdly:

It is not permissible to be alone with these female servants, or to look at them, because they are non-mahrams to the men of the household. Similarly male servants are non-mahrams to the women of the household so it is not permissible for them to uncover in front of them or to be alone with them.

Shaykh ‘Abd al-‘Azeez ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

What is the ruling on dealing with servants and drivers – do they come under the same heading as non-mahram men? My mother tells me to go out in front of the servants and to put a scarf on my head. Is that permitted in our pure monotheistic religion which tells us not to disobey the commands of Allaah?

He replied:

Drivers and servants come under the same rulings as all other men: it is obligatory to observe hijab in front of them if they are not mahrams. It is not permitted to uncover one's face in front of them or to be alone with any of them, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “No man is alone with a [non-mahram] woman but the third one present is the Shaytaan.” And because of the general meaning of the evidence which indicates that hijab is obligatory and that it is haraam to make a wanton display of oneself or to uncover oneself in front of non-mahrams. It is not permissible to obey your mother or anyone else in matters that involve disobedience towards Allaah.
Salam

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answered 1.6k313 sadie's gravatar image

Now if you want to know what Islam says about slaves " as in war booty . Then we must start ay what makes a woman a slave. And if you ask why its ok for the owner (man ) to have relations with her ., it. Is because Allah says so. Salam

(Jul 24 '13 at 02:01) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

ok but what if the chick doesnt want it?

(Jul 24 '13 at 06:27) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

I will provide you citations Insha allah You will have to wait as I am almost going to sleep. salam, and salam for the time I did not say.

(Jul 24 '13 at 06:48) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

hehehe i know u adore me :p

(Jul 24 '13 at 06:51) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

miketooth :P hahahahahha

(Jul 24 '13 at 17:43) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

@saide...r u ok?

(Jul 24 '13 at 18:02) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

Alhamdulillah I am good thanks and you? Salam

(Jul 25 '13 at 01:32) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

no i mean did he hurt ur feelings.

(Jul 25 '13 at 03:52) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

No. But to be honest it does hurt my feelings to see you laugh at what he does. Because its not funny. In order to hurt my feelings I would have to care, and sister I do care about you Salam.

(Jul 25 '13 at 03:59) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

oh well i dont really have anything to say. what i find funny is that he keeps showing up. and i dont think its ok that he says rude things. and i think its funny when he makes fun of that other mod guy who i can never say his name right. cuz that guys just a jerk when he send pms. anyways sorry if i hurt u

(Jul 25 '13 at 04:04) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

No problem . Just keep in mind I love for you what I love for myself. Salam .

(Jul 25 '13 at 04:09) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

:) ma salama be safe

(Jul 25 '13 at 04:12) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image
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only unmarried ones - not with men slaves - no never with mades that is zinah - and this is el sheik el shairawy's opinion that it would make the slave feel equal with his wife for example at some point , islam came to free humans not to slave them and the slave case is a big story look it up on youtube or read a book about it ,and allah made a way of repenting and you know when you anything wrong as if u didn't do it was by freeing a slave (man or woman), anyways it is a very big story

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n zain bas why its not fair for the wife. and what if the slave doesnt want it then can he?

(Jul 23 '13 at 14:16) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

I meant she would feel equal to his wife or any other free woman and if he does with a married slave then it is haram and he deserves punishment but a man has no right to even force his wife so since she is to be treated as his wife he can not force her here is some more information http://www.khilafah.com/index.php/the-khilafah/foreign-policy/2764-the-islamic-view-on-slaves-and-slavery

(Jul 24 '13 at 15:49) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image

thank u very much

(Jul 24 '13 at 17:42) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

ur welcome the slave case is too much to explain at once for instance who is considered to be a slave how someone becomes a slave slave rights slaves' children how to free a slave how could a slave free himself so I really recommend you to read a book and watch videos I know it does not matter much know but in case you wanted or you are answering a non muslim or something

(Jul 24 '13 at 17:52) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image

so he cant force her tho. right? and i thought that if a woman refuses her husband then he can divorce her

(Jul 24 '13 at 17:53) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

no never force her nor his wife and instead of divorce he should look for the problem fix it and if he thinks he will be just enough then marry another but not force anyone to do anything

(Jul 24 '13 at 18:03) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image

ur obviously not arab anyways thanks!

(Jul 24 '13 at 18:05) a_mohammed a_mohammed's gravatar image

he can not force her here is your answer http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/no_marital_rape.htm the verse talks of something completely different that I can not answer anyways the translation is misunderstood there is no obligation in islam and as you said I hardly think a husband and wife will live peacefully and happily if he raped her

(Jul 24 '13 at 19:24) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image

i agree with u all u said is offensive not islam and not right I am against any boom boom anywhere as for enslaving women as war booty everywhere before islam they did that and enslaved there children and passed them off as legacy but after islam a slave has rights and if a slave bears child from her master her child will be freeand she will be free if she was muslim if not she will be free as soon as he dies an her child has rights in his father's legacy and much more rights which they didn't have so islam came to free people minimise he slave population and eventually end it

(Jul 25 '13 at 14:14) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image

1st I thank and respect the statue part but how did they know how he looked like ?,as for in the west I think you know about capturing Africans and enslaving them and in Europe a son could sell his mom as for the muslims I admit we are wrong I admit we are most of the times insulting islam either unknowingly or by wrong understanding but u can't deny the British French and other European countries invading the muslim countries back then messing every thing up and then simply leaving,but that doesn't mean it is them to blame it is us to blame we have turned away from the right path I admit it

(Jul 25 '13 at 17:12) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image

What??? I am sorry I didn't understand you

(Jul 25 '13 at 17:14) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

Haha you online again wow

(Jul 25 '13 at 17:37) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

I am not saying how behaved the worst if I was then we did because we know what is right and what is wrong but we still do the wrong as for ur question do u know that allah did not suddenly and at once say alcohol is haram because it was something every man did so if someone claims to be a prophet and says that he is messenger from allah and suddenly says stop alcohol then i'd say he is not because the one who created us ought to know the human soul and allah does the ban was on stages 1st never pray when u r drunk then it came down that do not drink at all

(Jul 25 '13 at 17:42) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image

because allah bestowed upon u with a brain that thinks why shut it down ,the same with slavery one step at a time wich minimized the number of slaves and gave them rights when they were considered to be not human and eventually there will be no slaves bec back then the tribes would wage war on oneanother just for fun do u know that there was a war that lasted 40 years because a camel from one tribe drank from the other's water do u imagine so think about it suddenly give up ur slaves no one would have listened

(Jul 25 '13 at 17:42) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image

Yeah pulldatooth he/she right I am 100 percent agree with her/him

(Jul 25 '13 at 17:44) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

Tokabo r you muslim?

(Jul 25 '13 at 17:44) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

I am muslim and I will say it out loud and proud

(Jul 25 '13 at 17:46) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image

Mash allah I am muslim too and you sound like sister

(Jul 25 '13 at 17:50) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

I remember you,my ou answer my question about Jin remember

(Jul 25 '13 at 17:51) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

I will not answer but about Abraham PBUH because I don't know about the rest first he was married to Sarah whom didn't bear children and when she grew old she gave him Hager (she was not a girl and there is a story tat she was an Egyptian her father was killed and she became a slave and gifted to Sarah's father and then to her) as a present when she bore him a child Allah ordered him to talk her to the valley in mecca and leave her there with there son without saying way it was a test to Abraham, and then the rest of the story but about not sending anymore prophets

(Jul 25 '13 at 18:42) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image

(Never have We destroyed a habitation till We had sent admonishers to them (208)) there are prophets we know of and others we don't anyways each was send to his own people because their was no communication but at prophet Mohammed's time there were empires like romans' and Persians' and their was trading the message could reach everywhere

(Jul 25 '13 at 18:43) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image

i just answered ur comment i am not trying to speak of context i do not mind answering any of ur questions honestly , and about the slave case i do not think it matters now also i am not an expert on the subject but if u have a question i will gladly look it up for both of us

(Jul 25 '13 at 20:22) tokabo tokabo's gravatar image
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