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Greetings. I am a man of science and a fighter for equality. Being a lover of history, it didn't take me long to see the wonders Islam brought to a dark time for humanity. Islam strongly believed in not allowing faith to interfere with scientific progress, and that all are equal. From my intense studies recently, I've realized that in many regions such philosophy has been erased and replaced with fundamentalism. Sexism, homophobia, and hatred toward other religions has become a common trait of Muslims. I find this religion beautiful and the culture it came from intriguing. Though a huge skeptic, I think Islam has the potential to become a progressive and accepting religion. So, my question is: As a fighter for gay rights (I myself am not gay), women's rights, and peace between all people no matter what - would you accept me as a fellow Muslim?

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Locke:

Thank you.

You say: ‘It is unlikely that God (Allah) himself is perfect…’

What is your justification for this statement?

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Paulus113: Your very welcome. Like I said, perfection is something made up by humans to express an opinion. It doesn't matter how powerful, kind, and wise Allah is; because some arrogant or clueless individual will still say that to him Allah is nowhere near perfect. Let's say someone wants a world for him to immediately to live on that is barren. Would that person call the creator of our life filled world perfect? No. You see, perfection is not a measure of anything except individual popularity. So, calling Allah "near perfect" means that even someone with a different opinion would say: "Fine, he's pretty powerful, wise, and kind. Though he could do better."

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Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakathuhu!

First of all may Allah bless u for ur efforts in researching islam before approving it as a righteous path.

As for ur views... women rights? Fine. Peace between all? Fine.

But gay rights??? Brother, u r interested in history. so please read the story of prophet Lot (u can simply refer wikipedia for starters or the Quran for Allah's own words) and u will know.. what being gay, or even supporting it, will lead you to... (And u can even research about why Allah(swt) has taken such a stand in gay relations, That's the beauty of islam :-) )

Once again, may you research islam to ur heart's content and find answers from within Allah's own words, rather than from the twisted hypocrites that many 'modern' muslims have become..

May Allah(swt) save us all from hellfire and the harshness of the day of judgement..

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Locke:

Ah, now I see.

Allow me to quote you:

‘It doesn't matter how powerful, kind, and wise Allah is; because some arrogant or clueless individual will still say that to him Allah is nowhere near perfect’.

And now another quote of yours:

‘It is unlikely that God (Allah) himself is perfect…’

I guess this makes you an ‘arrogant or clueless individual’.

Thank you. It’s been a very enlightening conversation.

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The story of Lot is a story based around faith, not confirmed, and therefore does not count as fact. Sadly, as a skeptic and scientist I must rely on hard evidence to make any sort of decision or theory. So, to solve the problem I had to look at evidence from confirmed historical events and today's studies. Most American and Canadian Research Centers and Health Organizations agree that homosexuality is neither a disease nor a choice. Recent breakthroughs have shown that genes and hormones determine sexual orientation, and that all processes that lead to a gay child's birth are almost exactly the same as that of one's dominant arm. And we don't persecute lefties, or at least not anymore. Also, think of great people who were gay or bisexual in history; Alexander the Great, Augustus of Rome, and Leonidas of Spartan. These men achieved great things, were moral and brilliant, and they all apparently escaped Allah's wrath. Lastly, consider the fact that gay people as a whole don't hurt anyone or harm societal structure.

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Note the word "nowhere". An arrogant or clueless individual (in my opinion) does not realize that Allah must be powerful and wise. While what I said about Allah is that he is near perfection but not perfect, which is in no way the same as the above.

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Its amazing to me one who utters the kalimah Studies science which Allah created fails to believe in the one who created everything. Insha Allah you'll find your facts in land that is proof of allahs wrath. Salam

(Aug 01 '13 at 04:19) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

The story of Lot is a story based around faith, not confirmed, and therefore does not count as fact. Sadly, as a skeptic and scientist I must rely on hard evidence to make any sort of decision or theory. So, to solve the problem I had to look at evidence from confirmed historical events and today's studies.

Alas! my dear brother, The Earth isn't like a digital device where every little action can be recorded and stored safely by default and traced back whenever needed... The earth itself, along with the people in it, undergo severe physical changes over time. What were FACTS once, can become nothing more than FOLKLORE and vice-versa.

And, how can we even begin to understand all the discussions under this topic, if it is "clear cut historical and factual evidence" that can prove it you?? After all, the very creation of Man and the universe is still a highly discussed 'theory' among scientists, whereas the Quran clearly states that Allah(swt) has created us. This notion of creation can be accepted, ONLY if a person has faith in Allah and His Quran. Similarly, the story of Lot can also be accepted, ONLY if you have faith in Quran and its teachings. (The least you can check for proof of prophet Lot is that, he is mentioned in other religious scriptures as well, but as a muslim, i believe only the Quran's version is the final and proper story).

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Most American and Canadian Research Centers and Health Organizations agree that homosexuality is neither a disease nor a choice. Recent breakthroughs have shown that genes and hormones determine sexual orientation, and that all processes that lead to a gay child's birth are almost exactly the same as that of one's dominant arm.

I agree. it is neither a disease nor a choice.

But, just because a person is BORN that way doesn't justify LIVING up to those intentions. People are born BLIND, it doesn't mean they have to sit in a corner and sulk, they go against it and lead normal lives, similarly, we can either fight against gay intentions or atleast just stay away from it rather than succumb to such intentions.

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Allah creates everyone in a state of fitrah. Meaning pure and without sin, and an instinct between right and wrong. Salam

(Aug 02 '13 at 01:05) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Allah does create everyone in a state of fitrah, that is until He blows life to the embryo. But, from the moment Allah provides the soul to the embryo, the child is as vulnerable as any living adult. The soul in the womb, hears and experiences and imbibes everything the mother takes in, including the events(happy or traumatic) that surrounds her and the food/medicines consumed by her. So, is there not a possibility for a child to be corrupt even while in the womb?

I really am curious in this regard. Any enlightening answer would be most welcome!

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@mans_med: There are writings and archeological evidence that can give us detailed descriptions of events thousands of years, even millions with new carbon dating tech. Therefore, if the event did take place then we'll find it within the next fifty years, thus confirmed it. Until then I must treat it like metaphorical folk lore. Since my lack of faith in humanity has me always doubting scripture, at the moment my belief is that Allah created the particles that started the big bang. I believe Adam and Eve were real people, but not the first humans on the earth let alone the first organisms. The Quran does indeed give a clear cut telling of the universe's beginnings, but so do many books. Faith for me goes to much of religion and definitely into a belief in a higher power, but much of what religion brings needs to be confirmed or discarded based on evidence.

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Furthermore, I don't know what's wrong with being gay? Please explain. Also, there's nothing wrong with being blind and it is not a condition that's solutions come from cultural assimilation. With blind people you don't scream at them to get some better eyes, you bring them into society so that can be equal through change. For example, a blind person can get a seeing eye dog or have someone help them go through life. It's helping them to become everyones equal once more. So, with gay people you just allow their lifestyle into society while helping them by quieting bigots with science. Gay people don't as a whole harm anyone (there's pedos and rapists, but those exist also with heterosexuals), and it's just sexual orientation; you can't force someone to change that, plus the population is way too large anyway.

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