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Greetings. I am a man of science and a fighter for equality. Being a lover of history, it didn't take me long to see the wonders Islam brought to a dark time for humanity. Islam strongly believed in not allowing faith to interfere with scientific progress, and that all are equal. From my intense studies recently, I've realized that in many regions such philosophy has been erased and replaced with fundamentalism. Sexism, homophobia, and hatred toward other religions has become a common trait of Muslims. I find this religion beautiful and the culture it came from intriguing. Though a huge skeptic, I think Islam has the potential to become a progressive and accepting religion. So, my question is: As a fighter for gay rights (I myself am not gay), women's rights, and peace between all people no matter what - would you accept me as a fellow Muslim?

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The story of Lot is a story based around faith, not confirmed, and therefore does not count as fact. Sadly, as a skeptic and scientist I must rely on hard evidence to make any sort of decision or theory. So, to solve the problem I had to look at evidence from confirmed historical events and today's studies. Most American and Canadian Research Centers and Health Organizations agree that homosexuality is neither a disease nor a choice. Recent breakthroughs have shown that genes and hormones determine sexual orientation, and that all processes that lead to a gay child's birth are almost exactly the same as that of one's dominant arm. And we don't persecute lefties, or at least not anymore. Also, think of great people who were gay or bisexual in history; Alexander the Great, Augustus of Rome, and Leonidas of Spartan. These men achieved great things, were moral and brilliant, and they all apparently escaped Allah's wrath. Lastly, consider the fact that gay people as a whole don't hurt anyone or harm societal structure.

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Most American and Canadian Research Centers and Health Organizations agree that homosexuality is neither a disease nor a choice. Recent breakthroughs have shown that genes and hormones determine sexual orientation, and that all processes that lead to a gay child's birth are almost exactly the same as that of one's dominant arm.

I agree. it is neither a disease nor a choice.

But, just because a person is BORN that way doesn't justify LIVING up to those intentions. People are born BLIND, it doesn't mean they have to sit in a corner and sulk, they go against it and lead normal lives, similarly, we can either fight against gay intentions or atleast just stay away from it rather than succumb to such intentions.

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Allah creates everyone in a state of fitrah. Meaning pure and without sin, and an instinct between right and wrong. Salam

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Allah does create everyone in a state of fitrah, that is until He blows life to the embryo. But, from the moment Allah provides the soul to the embryo, the child is as vulnerable as any living adult. The soul in the womb, hears and experiences and imbibes everything the mother takes in, including the events(happy or traumatic) that surrounds her and the food/medicines consumed by her. So, is there not a possibility for a child to be corrupt even while in the womb?

I really am curious in this regard. Any enlightening answer would be most welcome!

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Furthermore, I don't know what's wrong with being gay? Please explain. Also, there's nothing wrong with being blind and it is not a condition that's solutions come from cultural assimilation. With blind people you don't scream at them to get some better eyes, you bring them into society so that can be equal through change. For example, a blind person can get a seeing eye dog or have someone help them go through life. It's helping them to become everyones equal once more. So, with gay people you just allow their lifestyle into society while helping them by quieting bigots with science. Gay people don't as a whole harm anyone (there's pedos and rapists, but those exist also with heterosexuals), and it's just sexual orientation; you can't force someone to change that, plus the population is way too large anyway.

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Note the word "nowhere". An arrogant or clueless individual (in my opinion) does not realize that Allah must be powerful and wise. While what I said about Allah is that he is near perfection but not perfect, which is in no way the same as the above.

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Its amazing to me one who utters the kalimah Studies science which Allah created fails to believe in the one who created everything. Insha Allah you'll find your facts in land that is proof of allahs wrath. Salam

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@Paulus113: Thanks. Well, what I meant is that I'm just skeptical in general. My epistemological stance is that there is no such thing as perfection, because it's based entirely on personal opinion instead of universality. Therefore, we can never be perfect. God is probably near perfection, so there are two problems with scripture: 1. We can't ourselves become perfect, nor understand close to perfection as we are pretty pathetic; so those who wrote scripture and interpret it most definitely made mistakes. 2. It is unlikely that God (Allah) himself is perfect or make us perfect. So, in conclusion we must basically doubt everything so we can confirm everything we think we know, making us closer and closer to "near perfection".

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