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..... I want to live as a Muslim, but, forgive me, but I do not at this time see GOD as being "Gracious, or Merciful" - as it says in the scripture before the start of every sura. Let me explain.

If GOD was gracious and merciful, why does he continue to allow human beings to be born knowing that most of them will not come to Islam and be saved on the Day of Judgment ? It even says in the Quran that, "This is the perfect religion (Islam), but most of them (people) do not know."

How can this be right. You might argue that we human beings have total freedom of choice. Well, yes, we do. But GOD knows the future - He controls it - so He knows the eventual destination of every person that is born. GOD runs the show. What about people living in parts of the world where Islam has not, and may never, reach ? Are they cursed at birth ? Is it their fault they will never see a Quran in their lifetime or ever hear of Islam ? Am I missing something ??? I can't be the only person who has thought this.

All answers will be graciously accepted and read.

asked 1519 Flanker's gravatar image

What has lead you to the realisation that the 'Qur'an is God's final revelation?

(Sep 22 '13 at 08:48) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

what makes you think the koran is the final revelation? have you read the book of mormon? how do know that isn't? why wouldn't god send a prophet now? or in the future? we are just know developing worldwide communications. why have the last messenger be in a primative time in a sparsley populated region of the earth? china had to of had way more people then arabia, even back then. what about the western hemisphere, never received any messinger. what up wit dat??????????

(Sep 24 '13 at 15:28) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image


(Sep 25 '13 at 02:11) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

really? who was the messanger for the inca, mayans or aztecs? the eskimo or plain indians? do you have any idea how many different creation stories there are in the world without a mention of adam and eve? shh, yelling only makes you seem insane. seems to be a theme today. try to remain calm. you'll burst a blood vesel in your brain.

so if man has free will, why do you say god willing so much? if my destiny is already written can your insha allah change it?

(Sep 25 '13 at 15:17) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

salaam @abul rauf. For all the contents in our replies, and you are unable to understand. That's the way it goes with many people in the world as they are so opposed to being lead in the right direction, towards the light of understanding. A simple analogy is when you try to teach a young school age child that 2 and 2 is 4. As much as you try to model it and explain it, if this child is not ready to learn this, you can just wait and meanwhile keep modelling in as many different ways as you can. Then, one day, the bulb goes on and behold, the understanding is there!

(Sep 25 '13 at 19:04) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

If it wass only this easy with adults and their understanding of God. Unfortunately, for most, the light bulb does not get to light up ever. But I will try to explain it for you yet again. Alaah Swt has given us free will. So you will do what you want to do and so will each one of us. For those who turn to Him, they are guided in their choices, so Insha Alaah refers to this. We like to say Insha Alaah as we are continuously refering to Him for guidance. Salaam

(Sep 25 '13 at 19:15) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

did you just say i'm no edison? tru dat. actually i get the concepts of qadr and qada, yaqin explained them quite well. i guess i've misunderstood what insha allah means? i thought it meant god willing? so if i chose not to believe 2+2=4 and god then wills me to believe, hasn't he negated my free will?

you know my father used to say to me, "boy you refuse to be trained". must not be any filiment in my brain. always fun talking to ya.

you have a good day. ps, if some one cursed me, should i expect allah to intervine in my life at the behest of he who cursed me? any idea were gog and magog r?

(Sep 27 '13 at 11:56) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image
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(Whoever accepts guidance does so for his own good; whoever strays does so at his own peril. No soul will bear another’s burden, nor do We punish until We have sent a messenger) 17:15 "Surat Al-Isra"

people who didn't recieve the message or they got the message with wrong image and didn't listen about the truth of islam and will not be treated like people whom listened and knew islam and it's true message .. As God it not only the most gracious and merciful but also the The Utterly Just

For further explanation and the answer to your question you will find it on that video but unfortunately it has not english subtitles and hopefully there will be subtitles soon ,, pardon me if i can't translate what exactly said on the video due to my weak language and i am afraid to be misunderstood or mislead you but the full answer to your question is on that video :)

answered 151 ZiadEldeeb's gravatar image

as bother ZiadEldeeb mentioned the Quranic verse which is ruling this issue is; "...nor do We punish until We have sent a messenger."

and for your knowledge, in Islam we believe that this life is one of many chapters of what is called life.. as we were actually dead before and revived,

As Quran is telling us ;"How can you disbelieve in Allah when you were dead and He brought you to life; then He will cause you to die, then He will bring you (back) to life, and then to Him You will be returned."(2:28)

and in Quran the dwellers of Hell, they will say; "Our Lord, You made us dead twice and gave us life twice, and we have confessed our sins. So is there to an exit any way?"(40:11)

by another word.. Allah gave us life once and displayed upon the TRUST and He let us witness upon ourselves that He is our Lord, and we all witnessed it.. read the following two verses; "Indeed, We offered the Trust(el Amanah)(the acceptance of obligations and obedience to Allah) to the heavens and the earth and the mountains, and they declined to bear it and feared it, but man(human) (undertook to) bear it. Indeed, he was unjust and ignorant."(33:72)

"and (mention) when Your Lord took from the children of Adam- from their loins- their descendants and made them testify of them-selves, (saying to them), 'Am I not your Lord?' They said;'Yes, we have testified.' (This)- least you should say on the Day of Resurrection, 'indeed, we were of this unaware.'" "Or (least) you say; 'it was only that our fathers associated (others in worship) with Allah before and we were but descendants after them. Then would You destroy us for what the falsifiers have done.'"(7:173-174)

So we were spirits(rouh) without bodies hovering around the Throne enjoying the light of Allah.. and then Allah decided to take from the loin of Adam and gave us life by connecting the spirits to it(=1st life) and we witnessed/testified and we agreed to carry the trust.. we could refuse it but we were looking for the great reward.. so Allah did not force it on us but He displayed and offered it.. and we could accept or refuse the trust as the heavens, earth and mountains did.. but we accepted it and since we accepted to carry the trust then we will be judged upon our being trustful or not. then spirit is disconnected from (1st death).. then we are revived in the wombs of our mothers, by connecting spirit once again (2nd life) and then we will die(disconnection of spirit from the body)(2nd death).. and then we will be revived and resurrected for a final time/judgment.

that is why everyone of us knows Allah/God, and many times in Quran it says "do not you remember/remind?!".. but problem is the people took a false objects that they thought it will make them close to Allah falsely and without any authority.. while Allah created us on the form of balance, two ears and two eyes like the two sides of the balance and only one heart cause it is the indicator of the result of the weight/balance.. and only one tongue for that we might speak/translate the only one truth/result on our hearts. So each one have to do the correct balance and not blindly follow his parents or people.. but he should know the truth and by this will know the correct people following it. so Allah will judge everyone upon how he balanced the information/knowledge he got.. and upon his intention and action towards it. and Allah is knowing and wise.

answered 387116 inclined2truth's gravatar image
edited Sep 22 '13 at 14:52

My previous question to you was intentional as your stance with regards to your deen is indicative of an intelligent mind which is seeking meaning and that is better for you than to follow blindly without real conviction in the heart. Both of the brothers have provided you with excellent answers above. I would like to add the following:

Your reference from the Qurán where Alaah SWT says :

"You do not worship besides Him but only names which you have named (forged), you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. The command (or the judgement) is for none but Allah. He has commanded that you worship none but Him (i.e. His Monotheism), that is the (true) straight religion, but most men know not.” 12.40 Surah Yusuf (Prophet Joseph)

Alaah SWT is referring to those who DO know of the Qurán and HAVE read it in its entirety OR in part BUT do not accept it or do not see the perfect guidance in it and to those who HAVE the opportunity to access it BUT do not wish to as they prefer to use their time in other ways. Of those who have access to the Qurán (and some 2.4 billion internet users were recorded for year 2012; that’s over a third of the entire human population), they have the opportunity to seek out the most important information pertaining to their lives. And this is one instance where the phrase contained in the Qur’an“...but most men know not.” becomes relevant.

And Alaah SWT says: “... unto them a scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession ... they know (to be the truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is ...” (2:89)

It is our responsibility to seek the truth. But Alaah SWT is the Most Merciful and the Most Kind and rest assured that He will deal justly and fairly and with Compassion towards those that have never heard of Islam due to their extreme isolation from the rest of the world or their particular situation. Alaah SWT does not curse anyone who is pure and innocent and Alaah knows who falls into this category. Trust in Alaah SWT.

Now to answer your question: “....why does He continue to allow human beings to be born knowing that most of them will not come to Islam and be saved on the Day of Judgment?”

Yes, without ANY doubt He knows who will not come to Islam. This is easy for Him, as He knows every minor detail of every minor thing. His knowledge is Supreme. He is the Al-Alim, the Knower of All. None can deny the fact that He KNOWS the present, the future and the past. This is a part of what makes Him the Supreme, Al-Muta’ali.

As you astutely say, Alaah SWT has given us the freedom to choose. This is our opportunity to show Alaah SWT what we are like,...the truth of ourselves, our unmasked hearts and what is within our very core. No pretending or hiding here. But have you ever wondered who it is that we are really showing our true self to? If Alaah SWT already knows, then what is the point? It is here that we should realise that our discovery of who we really are in our deepest recesses of our minds and actions is for OURSELVES.

Alaah SWT knows each one of us already, better than we know ourselves. There can be no contradictions here.

Alaah SWT says:

And indeed We have created man, and We know what his ownself whispers to him. And We are nearer to him than his jugular vein (by Our Knowledge). (Surah Qaf 50:16)

What we need to realise is that we do not know ourselves as it is a fact that with each passing event in our lives we discover new things about ourselves. You don’t really know how you will react to a situation until you are actually dealing with it. Sometimes we look back on certain events in our lives and are amazed how these may have changed us or shaped our thinking. So we are continually finding out about ourselves and what we are really like.

So, Alaah is giving us the freedom to choose. He does not MAKE us choose evil and then punish us. On the contrary, He is the Al-Mu’min, the Inspirer of Faith, the Al-Ghaffar, the Most Forgiving. Every one of us has the freedom to choose. And Alaah is Just , Al-‘Adl and knows how to deal with each and every one of us perfectly well.

Be grateful to Alaah SWT that He has guided you to the right path. Ameen

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(Sep 28 '13 at 03:42) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Nobody has answered my simple point that GOD decided on Creation knowing full well that many people would end up in Hell.

answered 1519 Flanker's gravatar image

Well then prevent them from going to hell and yourself? Follow His teachings in Qur'an and spread them.

You have free will.Reflect on verses in context. Each verse was revealed according to conditions at Prophet pbuh time and thus some Surahs are divided into Maki and Madni. Well here is a start go find out about it. Btw you're superior to angels when you follow Him since you do it out if free will.

I can not question why you were created can I? Allah has reason and purpose for each life.

answered 8638 abdul_wasay's gravatar image

Hello Flanker,

Long time ago I have pondering about the same question as you - why Allah created us knowing full well that many people would end up in hell? , I don't blame you.

Even after studying Islam in depth, I still didn't know why - but I've come to some answers as I observed as Muslim.

  1. It is Allah secret, we may never know his true intention but Allah already set things in motion for us to experience it. Allah already mentioned that the reason we the human and Djinn are created is to become his servant - that is the purpose of our lives but the beauty of it, as human , we have desire and many weaknesses, and even though we are intelligent creature, our mind and knowledge are still restricted to Allah's wonder and secret. So, even though Allah already knew the future, Allah set the test for us to experience it.
  2. You already know everybody will die one day - why do you still alive and live your life? If one of your friend are genius, does he don't need to go to school and just given the PHD or MASTER? There is an order and flow for everything and Allah make it as law - Sunnatullah. You must be test and then judge.
  3. Allah treated every human as an adult, even to children. What I mean is that, every man and women, have a right and choice to embrace Islam or not, there is no coercion. Back to point no.1, you are created as servant so he will send the prophet to guide you because of our limited knowledge and capacity. Back to point no.2, you will learn about Islam, the flow of Islam religion from Prophet Adam to Prophet Muhammad SAW, and why stop at Prophet Muhammad SAW? At point no.3, it is your choices to embrace Islam or not? It is this simple step, but there are so many things happen in between.

My point is, Allah already created us, and Allah wants to test us whether we are grateful to him or not. If you are not even created by Allah you can't even ask this questions. The fact is you already knew about Heaven and Hell and you knew Islam elaborates and always mention about both the most and the best way that other religion cannot - my question to you is, what is your choice?

Because you mentioned Allah already knew about future and runs the show, but do you know yours? Allah knows but do you? It's coming back to you because Allah already mentioned there is no coercion in Islam. Will you still want to blame Allah even Allah already told you the facts? If I already told you there's a danger that will kill you at road on your left, would you still go there? I'm sure you have 3 answer.

  1. I'm bluffing to you, you'll go there;
  2. You're an adult, have experience many and with your knowledge, you can manage the risk and know how to surpass it;
  3. I might be right, you'll take another turn and access the hazard.

We have limits in our body, mind and soul. If you compare us to other creature such as animals, we cannot survive without them but they can survive without us - one of the sign Allah creates them for us and it's up to us to manage them properly.

You will learn more about Allah in Islam.

One of Allah act as The Most Gracious and The Most Merciful is the creation of animals for us. I have read before that when humans is in deep sin and Allah wants to punished them, most of the time Allah holds the punishment, just because there are animals around us. Almighty Allah, who not only merciful to human but even to smallest animal.

answered 271 Muhammad%20I's gravatar image

On the day of judgement you will only be concerned about your own deeds not others. So enjoin righteousness and forbid evil.

answered 8638 abdul_wasay's gravatar image

If the Qur´an is God´s final revelation, then you have been made to believe that...

"GUD" is the absolute rightful word for the Almighty Everlasting and truthful One in all religions who is your one and only God in Heaven who looks down and expect the truth to come out in the open, for we have gained more knowledge and understanding by our intelligens to find out his real name but I can´t speak for everybody.. The name Gud becomes the same as LIFE, but the name Gud The Father is also very rightful name So okey I recommend the The Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit as the One Gud. For how can God not be a father to life when he created humans and created someone before Adam, okey not a human but a spirit first. His own Son Jesus, who exalted his own Father the Gud by showing that Gud could have a son. Because if Gud created life then he knows life is everything, without life then there can´t be any God or Allah or Elohim. Life is everything and you could say everything comes from it, death is only a small thing but something that is an ending. Life has unbelievable many countless roads, side roads and shortcuts to proceed further in life. It is Life that you should be grateful for. For without life how can God or Allah or Elohim exist. Life is all... And thats why Jesus Gud´s first created that became the Life that Gud created all humans by, for everyone comes from one strong enough Spirit that Gud created as his first one. This Spirit is perfect, because this spirit is without fault. For Gud pour first life into a spirit who became perfect like himself, who is strong enough to make life evolve and blossom. For everything is created by life, so plants, grass, animals, bees, fish, oatmeal, rise, fruit and vegetables, man and all that is found on earth that has life in it. For it was here Life started, and when life starts on one place you can be sure it is us that has to make life evolve... To another planet and study the Universe, for Gud made this world with plenty thats unknown for all so they have to find it by themself. If there something man cant understand, then they use scientist or someone with good enough understanding to make a prediction or do some calculations to become a theory. But everything a scientist make pretty much is based on other theory´s. And theory´s can be proven wrong and when a scientist make a prediction based on another theory then there is always a chance that the thory is not right. For long ago for many years ago those skilled people on the earth said many things, and it was based just on theory´s to explain how things where and people said just things to keep the croud/people happy. One time some skilled people said that the Earth was flat and they said they were all god´s, because they where like a King/Pharaoh/Emperor/Dictator that had some crave for dominion that made wars and said they were allah on earth etc. Innocent people were slain or others where commanded to work for a lousy fee just to get a new land to rule over, this was the old times.

But one thing I can point at is that muslims did not worship Allah as it is said they have always done, no they worshipped allah´s like "Nanna", "Suen" og "Asimbabbar". They where moongods.. Also this names where moongods "al-Lat", "al-Uzza" and "Manat". Also the name "Sin" where a moongod, the name was taken from someone who where Jew-haters so those muslims took that name as their moongod. And they had 360 moongods they worshipped, that is alot of gods. So muslims havent always been good in God´s eyes. They worshipped not the God of Abraham, so then Islam cant be the true religion that they have always been worshipping alah the one god. You know the name alah is also a moongod name, from that name "il-illah" who is a moongod. So alah is a moongod also...

SO here is a lil bit about alah.

Did the Pagan Arabs in pre-Islamic times worship 360 gods? Yes

Did the pagans Arabs worship the sun, moon and the stars? Yes

Did the Arabs built temples to the Moon-god? Yes

Did different Arab tribes give the Moon-god different names/titles? Yes

What were some of the names/titles? Sin, Hubul, Ilumquh, Al-ilah.

Was the title “al-ilah” (the god) used as the Moon-god? Yes

Was the word “Allah” derived from “al-ilah?” Yes

Was the pagan “Allah” a high god in a pantheon of deities? Yes.

Was he worshipped at the Kabah? Yes.

Was Allah only one of many Meccan gods? Yes

Did they place a statue of Hubul on top of the Kabah? Yes.

At that time was Hubul considered the Moon-god? Yes.

Was the Kabah thus the “house of the Moon-god”? Yes.

Did the name “Allah” eventually replace that of Hubul as the name of the Moon god? Yes.

Did they call the Kabah the “house of Allah”? Yes.

Were al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat called “the daughters of Allah”? Yes.

Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of god [Allah]”

Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.

Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.

answered (suspended) KteerShorta's gravatar image

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful:Hi dear friends,Quran :2-Allah tasketh not a soul beyond its scope. For it (is only) that which it hath earned, and against it (only) that which it hath deserved. Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget, or miss the mark! Our Lord! Lay not on us such a burden as thou didst lay on those before us! Our Lord! Impose not on us that which we have not the strength to bear! Pardon us, absolve us and have mercy on us, Thou, our Protector, and give us victory over the disbelieving folk. ( 286 )...Quran :23-And we task not any soul beyond its scope, and with Us is a Record which speaketh the truth, and they will not be wronged. ( 62 )

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