[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.

http://www.islamophobiatoday.com/2013/09/28/catholic-campus-houses-suffolks-first-islamic-school/ "“This is a gift to us from heaven,” he said of the building. “For that we thank God almighty.”

Khan said he decided to leave statues of Mary, Joseph and Jesus in some of the school’s hallways as a way to honor its past and expose the students to Catholicism." [3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

is this khan guy employing taqqiyah? should he leave statues of jesus mary and joseph in an islamic school? or is he just guarding himself against these nuns? or has he become one of them? and unjust?

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the answer is here read carefully; (60:8)"Allāh does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allāh loves those who act justly."

(60:9) " Allāh only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion – [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers."

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i2t, read carefully, thanks i always try to. but a reminder never hurts. yes i've read the 60th surah. but the 60th surah was revealed at the time of the treaty of hudibuyyah (probably mispelled). he is refering to the pagan meccans who just singed the treat with them. this is a time when muhammad was weak and without many followers. he tried to do the lesser pilgrimage during one of the sacred months thinking the pagans wouldn't attack, etc etc. i'm sure you know the story. the 5th surah is revealed shortly before his farewell pilgrimage, before his death.

so why say 5:51?

(Oct 03 '13 at 19:30) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

this verse is prohibiting us from being ally to a specific kind of jewish and Christians who are making alliance with each other against Islam/muslims. (surprisingly the jewish are the one who attempted to kill Jesus or killed him in the thought of many Christians but even though some of them made alliance with jews! their target is fighting Islam) call them judeo-christians if you like. but for other Christians or jewish or even disbelievers who are not fighting Islam then we should treat them righteously as Allah love the doer of good. if you keep reading the same sourah number 5 u will find

(Oct 03 '13 at 19:57) inclined2truth inclined2truth's gravatar image
  1. "O you who have believed, take not those who have taken your religion in ridicule and amusement among the ones who were given the Scripture before you nor the disbelievers as allies. And fear Allāh, if you should [truly] be believers."

so you see? it did not say all of them(who were given the Scripture)(jews and Christians) but it said only about, "those who have taken your religion in ridicule and amusement among the ones who were given the scripture."

clear enough or do you want me to support my reply by more Quranic verses?

(Oct 03 '13 at 20:00) inclined2truth inclined2truth's gravatar image

not clear at all. please more verses. is there one. just one that says clearly, jews and christians can be your allies? or you can take them as friends? one that isn't directly tied to a specific treaty? even 60:8 only says that you can act justly towards those that do not fight you. that's not friendship. that's neutrality. or indifferance.

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(Oct 03 '13 at 20:42) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

5:57 so what. that is just reinforcing that some jews and christians are worst than others. it doesn't say to take the "not so bad" ones as allies. you wouldn't take blasphemers or disbelivers as friends? would you?

[5.72] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah, He is the Messiah, son of Marium; and the Messiah said: O Children of Israel! serve Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Surely whoever associates (others) with Allah, then Allah has forbidden to him the garden, and his abode is the fire; and there shall be no helpers for the unjust. [5.73] Certainly they disbelieve who say: Surely Allah is the third (person) of the three; and there is no god but the one God, and if they desist not from what they say, a painful chastisement shall befall those among them who disbelieve.

"[5.51] O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends" no i don't see the word ALL in there, nor do i see the word SOME. or those who mock your religion only. the latter verses clearly state that christians who believe jesus is the son of god, and that is most of them, are disbelievers. right?

"no helpers for the unjust." so trinity christians are unjust by definition?

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here is a scholar often quoted on this website. [question] Should he allow his daughter to sleep over at her non-Muslim friend’s house? Is it permissible/advisable for my 16year old daughter to sleep over at her non muslim friends house (there will be no males present, only her friend and her friends mother)

[answer] Praise be to Allah. Firstly: It is not permissible for the Muslim to take a non-Muslim as a close friend, because Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning): “O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Auliya (friends, protectors, helpers, etc.), they are but Auliya to one another. And if any amongst you takes them as Auliya, then surely he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the Zalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust)” [al-Maa’idah 5:51] “O you who believe! Take not as (your) Bitanah (advisors, consultants, protectors, helpers, friends, etc.) those outside your religion (pagans, Jews, Christians, and hypocrites) since they will not fail to do their best to corrupt you. They desire to harm you severely. Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their hearts conceal is far worse. Indeed We have made plain to you the Ayat (proofs, evidences, verses) if you understand” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:118]. And there are other verses that forbid loving the disbelievers and taking them as confidantes and close friends. Abu Dawood (4832) and at-Tirmidhi (2395) narrated from Abu Sa‘eed that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Do not keep company with anyone but a believer and do not let anyone eat your food but one who is pious.” Classed as saheeh by Ibn Hibbaan; classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. Friendship and keeping company leads to love and approval, and it is not permissible to show that towards the kaafir. This does not mean that there should be a complete cutting off of ties between Muslims and non-Muslims; rather she can visit her socially and when she is sick, and give her gifts, without loving her or taking part in her festivals, and her intention in visiting her and giving her gifts should be to call her to Islam. This is what our Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) did. See question no. 23325 Based on that, you should explain to your daughter the guidelines on interacting with non-Muslims and help her to develop a feeling of pride in her religion and adhering to its commands, even if that goes against one’s whims and desires. You should also discourage her from thinking of spending the night outside her home, because sleeping over in someone else’s house is indicative of very close friendship, and we have stated above that it is not permissible for the Muslim to form such a close friendship with a non-Muslim. Perhaps she may be attracted to some of their ways and influenced by that without realising. The negative consequences of mixing too much with people who are not religiously committed are many, so how about mixing with people who are not of the same religion? And Allah knows best. http://www.islamqa.com/en/174574

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Not all the Christians, Jews nor disbelievers are the same. the problem is always with those who fight Islam(whatever was their religion). and if they were peaceful we should treat them not only peacefully but with kindness, justice and righteousness.

and in the verses that you posted above, it warned us from specific kind of Christians and Jews that their sign is that they are allies to each others.

while again the rule is: for all non muslims including Christians jews or disbelievers Allah do not forbid us to make ally with them.. clearly again; (60:8)"Allāh does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes – from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allāh loves those who act justly."

(60:9) " Allāh only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion – [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers."

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"Allah do not forbid us to make ally with them" wow you seem to be way off the script.

http://www.answering-christianity.com/friends.htm

"it warned us from specific kind of Christians and Jews that their sign is that they are allies to each others." the sign is they are allies to each other. so NATO is that specific kind of christian? or does turkey being a member get us a pass? certainly america is allied to israel. so why should we belief any muslims could be allies or friends to us? i guess that is why the egyptian islamic jihad shot sadat. he was breaking the rules.

(Oct 03 '13 at 21:58) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

prophet Muhammad made truce and peace treaty with Jews and disbelievers. this is not alliance/supporters/friend!

the rule is; "o you who believed, do not take My enemy and your enemy as allies..."(60:1) whatever was their religion, if they were enemy to us and fighting us and Islam then it is prohibited on us to make alliance with them. freemasons/illuminati/judeo-christians alliance who rules America are not only allies to Israel but they are the ones who created it to fight Islam.they are clear enemy, so we should not let them be our supporter/ally. but not the American peaceful people.

(Oct 03 '13 at 22:29) inclined2truth inclined2truth's gravatar image

yes Turkey's government is wrong because as you said it is an ally to the NATO.. and Muslim brotherhood who rules Turkey is fake(not real Islam).. and ones who killed sadat are also fake and not understanding the essence/spirit of our religion and clearly they are a tool in the hand of the enemies of Islam.. Because Sadat before making peace treaty with Israel he fought them and got victory over them.

(Oct 03 '13 at 22:39) inclined2truth inclined2truth's gravatar image

really? victory? only a muslim could think egypt WON the yom kippur war. the jews were within 100 miles of cairo and less than 50 from damascus. it wasn't the total route that the 6-days war was, but you didn't just seriously call it a victory? so was mubarak a war hero as well in 73? your history seems a bit warped.

"Turkey is fake" thank you ataturk. one of the few reasonable muslims in the world. seperation of religion and governance, a great concept.

(Oct 04 '13 at 09:04) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

"while again the rule is: for all non muslims including Christians jews or disbelievers Allah do not forbid us to make ally with them.." then you say: "prophet Muhammad made truce and peace treaty with Jews and disbelievers. this is not alliance/supporters/friend!" so which is it? your rules contradict each other.

"but not the American peaceful people" most americans support israel. and most supported invading afghanistan and most supported the first gulf war and many supported the second gulf war. everyone supported killing the muslims of al-qaeda. we may kill muslims in syria yet.

(Oct 04 '13 at 09:13) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

"Something else that will help you to stop mixing with non-Muslims is to remember that these kaafirs – even though they may have good manners and some good qualities – also do a number of seriously wrong things, any one of which is sufficient to nullify any good deeds that they may do. Among these evil things is the belief of the Christians – for example – that God is one of three (trinity), as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Surely, disbelievers are those who said: ‘Allaah is the third of the three (in a Trinity).’ But there is no Ilaah (god) (none who has the right to be worshipped) but One Ilaah (God —Allaah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily, a painful torment will befall on the disbelievers among them”

[al-Maa’idah 5:73]"

this guy really goes on and on....http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?18216-Can-Muslims-have-non-Muslim-friends

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