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Are schools of thought a part of the sunnah if so present the proof if not then why do muslims follow this???

asked 8331145 yaqin's gravatar image

I see this topic no one eants to speak on. It is a question that must be dealt with, who can give me the haqq on my question?

(Oct 20 '13 at 05:47) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Brother, maybe that everyone's busy with this and that. Well, for me it's sometimes a quick glance at the site and trying to juggle life around me. Am pondering over your question, but the clock is saying get some sleep so you can get to work in the morning. What time is it in your part of the world?

(Oct 20 '13 at 06:48) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

This is a tricky subject, much in discussion about overall " who do you follow". In our graves we will be asked , " who is your God ", ( Allah ) "whos is your Prophet", and "what is your faith". This should be a warning to those that follow schools of thought. The view should be to follow the Hadiths of the Prophet, pbuh, the Sunnah, and the Quran. These 4 schools are of in some cases of divided oppions. Much like when those in congregation will follow their Imams. After all personal opinions get diffused in in teachings.Then also, own desisres, of teachers, scholars are collaborated into the Hadiths. It is a bit like Fatwah shopping. People go to hadiths and scholars to find the answers they desire. And like I have mentioned else where, some Hadiths may be sound, others fabricated, others not so sound, via a weak link. I am not saying not to have these 4 schools of thought or not to use them, For they are of a collection of Hadiths. But not to follow just one. Like to say , I am a Hanafi, and just go to Hanafi references. I am just Muslim, and I follow the teachings of the Prophet, is what is better to say.

It is better to submit your own desires, and put your trust in Allah. It is better to please Allah, first and foremost. It is about Understanding. I am not a scholar, and I am not well versed or equipped to give answers by using Hadiths, in most circumstances. This because I am afraid of quoting the wrong ones, or not the most suited or right one. Therefor my own thoughts, (not innovations), but I rely on gut instincts and listen to my heart. For Allah guides by the heart and knowledge comes when the time is right. May Allah forgive me if I make mistakes, for I find forgiveness and thanks and the dua the most blissful resting place for the heart and soul.

answered 3488 abyadgirl's gravatar image

@abyadgirl, thankyou for your insight and you are correct, the sad thing is that it is not leglistrated anywhere to follow any school of thought, for Allah says obey me and my messenger. The best speech is the speech of Allah and the best guidance is that of muhammad saws. This is the facts. In my opinion which means nothing you are on the straight path eith this topic. May Allah reward you. Salaam

(Oct 20 '13 at 11:51) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

do not all 4 schools agree that you kill apostates? is not muhammad quoted as saying "whoever changes his islamic religion. kill him."? how is this possible a tolerant religion?

(Oct 21 '13 at 13:49) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

Being a humble learner with the intention to learn the haqq of all that relates to Islam, I came across the article ‘Al-Albani Unveiled; Who are the Ahl as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah?’ If this article is accurate in its contents (and I am keen to hear your opinion brother) then it is provides the answer to your question, inshaállah. The article states:

‘....there is only one Saved Sect in Islam, and this is the original pristine form of Islam that has been transmitted to us by Allah Subhana Wa Ta'ala in his Qur'an, his Rasul (Peace and blessings be upon him), the blessed Companions (may Allah be pleased with them all) and the great scholars of Islam (Allah's mercy be upon them all) who have been following their Straight Path for more than one thousand years of Islam's history.’

It is stated that

‘the chief characteristic that distinguishes one sect from another, lies not in the differences of opinion that its scholars have attained by making ijtihad from the sources of the Shari'ah (this leads to the formation of the Madhhabs), but rather the actual belief (aqid'ah or i'tiqad in Arabic) that the scholars and laity of the sect in question are clinging onto - since the founding of their respective sect. ‘

The article further states:

‘The Salaf as-salihin were the Muslims of the first two Islamic centuries (i.e; the Companions, their successors and the followers of the successors) which were lauded in a Hadith sharif. The ulama of Islam who came in the third and fourth centuries are called Khalaf as-sadiqin. The i'tiqad (belief) of these honourable people is called the Madhhab of Ahl as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah.

This is the Madhhab of Iman, tenets of faith. The Iman held by the Sahaba al-Kiram (may Allah be pleased with them all) and by the Tabi'un (Allah's mercy be upon them all) was the same. There was no difference between their beliefs.

Today most Muslims in the world are in the Madhhab of Ahl as-Sunnah (i.e; most Muslim's claim to be Sunni's).

All the seventy-two heretical groups of bid'ah appeared mostly after the second century of Islam. Founders of some of them lived earlier, but it was after the Tabi'un that their books were written, and that they appeared in groups and defied the Ahl as-Sunnah.

Rasulullah (Peace and blessings be upon him) brought the beliefs of Ahl as-Sunnah. The Sahaba al-kiram (may Allah be pleased with them all) derived these teachings of Iman from the source (the Qur'an and Sunnah). And the Tabi'un (successors), in their turn, learned these teachings from the Sahaba al-kiram. And from them their successors learned, thus the teachings of Ahl as-Sunnah reached us by way of transmission and tawatur (through many undeniable chains of transmission).

The main message given: "You must correct and protect your beliefs and conform to the pattern of the party of salvation, who are those known from among the other Islamic factions as the "People of the Sunnah and Jama'ah" (Ahl as-Sunnah wa'l Jama'ah). They are those who firmly adhere to the way of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), and of his Companions (may Allah be pleased with them all).

What is your view on this information brother Yaqin?

answered 5287 stronghold's gravatar image

@stronghold inshallah later today I will post my thoughts on this information given by the shaykh with textual proof. Brother I thankyou for your post, I always look forward to see how you approach my questions. Salaam

(Oct 20 '13 at 12:01) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Brother, glad to learn from your knowledge. I think I went off skew answering the original question. The answer could have been much simpler and direct. May Allah SWT bless you for the good.

(Oct 20 '13 at 14:59) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

It is true that “obedience”, in its true sense, belongs to Allah Almighty alone. He is the only One who deserves our obedience, and we are not supposed to obey any one other than Him. This is the logical requirement of the doctrine of “Tawhid” (belief in the Oneness of Allah). Even the obedience of the Most Beloved Prophet (Salla Allahu Ta'ala alayhi Wa Sallam) has been prescribed for us only because he is the Beloved Messenger (Salla Allahu Ta'ala alayhi Wa Sallam)of Allah (Subhanhu wa Ta'ala)who conveys to us the divine commandments. Otherwise he has no divine status deserving our obedience per se. We are ordered to obey and follow him only because Allah’s (Subhanahu wa Ta'ala)pleasure has been epitomized in his sayings and acts.

We are, therefore, required to follow the Qur'an al-kareem, being the direct commandment of Allah, and the Sunnah of the Beloved Prophet (Salla Allahu Ta'ala alayhi Wa Sallam) being an indirect form of the divine commandments.

answered 1.6k315 sadie's gravatar image

Al hamdulilahee sadie, your answer was excellent, thank you. Salaam

(Oct 20 '13 at 14:03) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

" And when there comes to them information about [public] security or fear, they spread it around. But if they had referred it back to the Messenger or to those of authority among them, then the ones who [can] draw correct conclusions from it would have known about it. And if not for the favor of Allāh upon you and His mercy, you would have followed Satan, except for a few." (Quran 4:83)

Thus we are told about a kind of people(ones of authority that among them are ones) who can draw correct conclusions from it.

" O you who have believed, obey Allāh and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allāh and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allāh and the Last Day. That is the best [way] and best in result." (4:59)

we suppose to obey those in authority(oulou el amr) among us mentioned in the two verses above. they are not the prince alone or the government alone(as some might think), since there is no obedience to a creature in the disobedience of the Creator.. that is why they should be the ones of knowledge/(scholars). (their authority is in their knowledge and not in the authority itself)

because nobody knows the interpretation of the verses of Allah except Allah: "It is He who has sent down to you, [O Muúammad], the Book; in it are verses [that are] precise – they are the foundation of the Book – and others unspecific. As for those in whose hearts is deviation [from truth], they will follow that of it which is unspecific, seeking discord and seeking an interpretation [suitable to them]. And no one knows its [true] interpretation except Allāh. But those firm in knowledge say, "We believe in it. All [of it] is from our Lord." And no one will be reminded except those of understanding." (3:7)

and He will give His knowledge and wisdom to whoever He wills; "He gives wisdom to whom He wills, and whoever has been given wisdom has certainly been given much good. And none will remember except those of understanding." (2:269)

"Rather, the Qur’ān is distinct verses [preserved] within the breasts of those who have been given knowledge. And none reject Our verses except the wrongdoers." (29;49)

Ones with knowledge are the only/real who fear Allah truly; "... Only those fear Allāh, from among His servants, who have knowledge. Indeed, Allāh is Exalted in Might and Forgiving."(35:28)

"Allāh witnesses that there is no deity except Him, and [so do] the angels and those of knowledge – [that He is] maintaining [creation] in justice. There is no deity except Him, the Exalted in Might, the Wise." (3:18)

the ones with knowledge are degrees; "...Allāh will raise those who have believed among you and those who were given knowledge, by degrees. And Allāh is Acquainted with what you do." (58:11)

"...We raise in degrees whom We will, but over every possessor of knowledge is one [more] knowing."(12:76)

Facts: 1) There is knowledgeable Muslims who are ranks/degrees above each others and we are suppose to follow them.

2) Their knowledge and their ijtihad/efforts in the laws are from Quran and sunnah.

3) The scholars of madhahib are not saying their opinions.. but the religion opinion since they were able to draw the law (correct conclusion) from Quran and sunnah.

4) Scholars differences is from the vast/wide mercy of Allah for this Ummah.

5) One of the Scholar used to say his madhhab is correct/authentic but it is possible to be wrong.. and other scolars' thought are wrong but it is possible to be correct/right/authentic.

6) prophet Muhammad allowed Muaz when he send him to teach people in other village, if he did not find the answer in the Quran or sunnah to do ijtihad with his opinion(or to draw the correct conclusion/answer).

7) Only Allah and His messenger words are 100% correct.. any of madhahib scholars might be wrong or right.. but in the same time we should not ignore/neglect their knowledge except if we have knowledge more than them (which is quite impossible, unless Allah wills).

8) We should not be extreme in following one madhhab or in refusing the other madhhab.

9) Allah knows better.

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