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are all non-muslim kaffir? or are jews and unitarian christians not, because they believe in one god?

if muslims believe in one god, but have prophets after muhammad. are they kaffir and excluded from heaven?

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closed Oct 25 '13 at 01:50 sadie ♦ 1.6k314 sadie's gravatar image

can anyone give a yes or no answer? yes is kafiir no is not. pagan/amimists. zoroastrianism. jews. christians. hinduism. buddhism. taoistm. confucianism. jainism. shintos. rastafari. any shia sects? feel free to break any sects down that you know of.

(Oct 24 '13 at 19:28) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

Anyone who denies Allah as the one true creator of the heavens and earth and deny Muhammad sallallahu allahi WA Salam as the seal of the prophets and deny the Qur'an as the Devine word of Allah and deny the religion chosen by Allah Al Islam , after the truth has been brought to them, then yes that's kufr. To hide conceal and cover up is what kuf in Arabic means. And kufr islamically implied means DISBELIEF. Is it clear to you now? And Allah knows best. Salaam

(Oct 24 '13 at 19:58) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image
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thank you sadie. i did already know that kukr means to conceal or cover. "towards understand islam" by abul s something something makes that quite clear. although he says it is often mistranslated as disbelief, yet two sentences latter uses the word disbelief. i guess that's the implied part. anyway, anyone who denies any one of those is a kafir. k. good to know. i've just have had muslims tell me that people of the book are not kaffir. even had one muslim tell me that hindus are actually monotheists, and therefore may not be kafir.

(Oct 24 '13 at 23:28) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

so other tht possibly some shia sects you are saying they are all kafir.

(Oct 24 '13 at 23:28) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

As long as the truth he has reached them and they deny it yes.

(Oct 24 '13 at 23:39) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

The question has been closed for the following reason "The question is answered, right answer was accepted" by sadie Oct 25 '13 at 01:50

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Salaam, first and foremost lets set the record straight Mary's son name was not jesus christos, nor was he a christian. Act 11:26 makes this point very clear. Jesus christos is a Greco Roman fabrication, as christianity is. What Yahshua the hebrew messiah brought was called the way, and Paul the self appointed apostle confirmed what following the way consist of in Acts 24:14. That being belief in Yahweh the torah and the books of the prophets. Never can islam and christianity share anything for christianity is the offshoot of Hellenism which is paganism. Another point is that the term jew is a term used inshort for the tribe of judah, Yahshua the hebrew messiah was an isrealite from bani israel the children of Israel. Christians doctrine is that jesus christos the Greco Roman fabrication came to abolish the law by dieing on the cross. Understand that Yahshua the hebrew messiah never said this nor did he teach this, this whole concept is Hellenism. So brother please do not put pbuh after the name of jesus for that is giving tribute to shaytan. I sent you muslims the book read it, the book is filled with textual proof. Mike, the word kufr at its roots is kuf and it means to cover up or conceal. Islamically implied it means disbeliever. If one never heard the message of islam than he can not be a kaffir and this is by definition for they can't conceal of cover up something that they have never heard. They are what they are upon if its polytheism then they are mushriks, and if they are upon monotheism then they are upon tauhid. Now is that enough for them to enter paradise? Allah is the best knower, I can say they have a better chance than a mushrik or one who covers up or conceals the truth, or one who denys the signs and ayats of Allah azza wal jall. Salaam

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There are no prophets after Muhammad, pbuh, as he was the seal, the last of the line of prophets to come. If you are also referring to the coming of Jesus, pbuh, again, in the future, He will announce Islam as the true faith and will say he is a muslim........................................

Islam , means subbmission,,, Muslim, means to submit. Islam is a continuation of Christianity, with updated laws by the Grace of Allah for the time, ( new times) in the coming of Muhammed, pbuh, and his prophethood. It is now the completion of Faith and knowledge in Allah, for guidence in life. Thus why Arabic was chosen as the language to articulate The Quran, as it could not be corrupted like the Bible was. So in Allahs wisdom, this has preserved the knowledge for all generations to come.

Any other person of a faith in Christianity, judaism, or Sabians, or any of no actual faith, but a firm belief in Allah, as one Allah ( god) then they will be judged accordingly.

Kaffirs are people that have no faith or beleif in Allah, (A one god), or those that associate partners to Allah, ( a one god )

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answered 3487 abyadgirl's gravatar image

arabic was choosen because it couldn't be corrupted? then why was the first koran destroyed? why was it's language changed. i thought jesus was a jew? no prophets after muhammad? then what is al-mahdi?

so unitarian christians are not kaffir? but trinity christian are kaffir. why is it hard for y'all to be specific? so who are the sabians? that's a no go on zorastians? fire worshipers in your book?

guess you have never heard the apostalic creed. "one being with the father"????

so are muslims superior to all others?

(Oct 21 '13 at 18:19) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

It is not known who the original Sabians were, ( possibly some thing to do with the Prophet Idris,pbuh ( Enoch ) and his teachings)but the name was adopted by some groups in order to give themselves legitimacy as People of the Book. This obviously was accepted by Allah, because they beleived in Allah and Allah alone. Imam Mahdi, will be a descendant of Prophet Mohammad, and will be chosen as a leader, administrator, for Rome"?? ( I think its Rome), after the king of Rome is killed ( also Muslim )

(Oct 21 '13 at 19:39) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image

old enoch? noah's grandfather? i thought the sabians were thought to be followers of john the baptist? matter not i guess. so do you think it is right in the koran when it says that the pharohs crucified people? thought the romans came up with crucifixion as a means of execution?

so mahdi isn't a prophet, just an administrator? and he must be descended from muhammad? does he have to be an arab then?

(Oct 22 '13 at 14:30) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

salaam sister, Islam is not a continuation of Christianity. Jesus, pbuh was sent to the lost sheep tribe of Israel, he was never sent to the whole world. He was sent to them because they had drifted and deviated and corrupted the teachings that had come before. Never did Jesus pbuh say that he was sent to the whole world. Islam is what was always revealed. Islam is what always prevailed but it was perfected for us through our prophet Rassulsaws. Jesus, pbuh, never said he was a Christian. There is nothing which supports that he was a Christian, no text on record states this.

(Oct 22 '13 at 15:05) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

As a matter of fact, most Christians should call themselves Christologists because this is the study of Jesus Christ pbuh. It is what people say about Jesus was, not who Jesus pbuh actually was and how he lived. For he himself never told anybody he was a Christian. This is an important understanding to gain. Jesus pbuh was a Muslim and he had a specific mission to carry out, like all of the prophets. Mohammed saws was sent to all of the humanity.

(Oct 22 '13 at 15:13) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

Asalaam, stronghold. The books that came down and the Prophets that came with the messages, were all of one faith. The term Christianity is that, it is also Islam. As was the Torah. It is the division of books and practices, thus the varying "faiths," that bring us to the different so called doctrines. Each book, came to a certain time, for that time frame, and along the way got corrupted. There for The Quran refers to many stories mentioned in the Bible, as a continuation of One faith, but in a truthful and uncorrupted manner, and for our life time and times.

(Oct 22 '13 at 15:32) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image

True, Jesus, pbuh, would of called himself a Muslim.Most of Jesus, pbuh, life history has been erased from the Bible. But in recent discoveries of scrolls and documents unearthed, show Jesus, pbuh, as totally unrecognizable to the Christian faith and their beliefs. Also, the Christians have no real methodology to follow, all was lost, via the teachings of Jesus. As for the Torah, this holds many of the laws set down, and the Jewish so called faith adheres more strictly to them. Also, alot of what we, Muslims, practice in commandments are placed in the Torah.

(Oct 22 '13 at 15:52) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image

Therefor, The Quran is a continuation of Islam, from the first books to appear, from Adam, onwards. It is the people of the areas, countries, there origins, that determine the name they give to their " docturine", faith. But it is all and one in the same. Hence if you look into all religions around the world and social, cultural beliefs, they are all very similar, and stories are just with slight differences, due to interpretations , and languages. With also the innovations and added fantasies have been mixed into most.

(Oct 22 '13 at 15:56) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image
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Of course Jesus did not call himself a Christian, he called himself what he was...a Jew. And the additional discovered documents don't render Jesus unrecognizable to Christians at all.

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:22) puppas puppas's gravatar image

"Hence if you look into all religions around the world and social, cultural beliefs, they are all very similar," hinduism is close to islam? shinto? voodoo? scientology? jainism, "Jaina beliefs postulate that the universe was never created, nor will it ever cease to exist. It is independent and self-sufficient, and does not require any superior power to govern it." animists?

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:33) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

Abul Rauf some of the religious belove in one god but in different way. It like light shining at different windows

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:36) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

i agree. and you often see cooperation between different religions in america. christians allowing muslims to use their churches or prayer halls in times of need. it's just very odd that you don't see such tolerance out of muslims. especially in muslim majority lands. and also i don't think most muslims would agree with abyadgirl's broad definition of a muslim. seems too open minded. :)

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:44) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

Depending on who I ask, I've been called a kaffir, a non-believer, a Person of the Book, that I'm destined for hell fire because I won't convert to Islam, and that I may enter Paradise because I'm a PoB (double to be technical). I gave up long ago getting a straight answer.

(Oct 22 '13 at 23:07) puppas puppas's gravatar image

a_girl, "Also, alot of what we, Muslims, practice in commandments are placed in the Torah." that's part of the problem. did you see the news out of yemen today. looks like someone takes their leviticus seriously. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24638059

puppas, "I gave up long ago getting a straight answer." i feel ya.

(Oct 23 '13 at 13:01) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image
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AssalamuAlaikm dear brothers and sisters. Greetings to you Abdur Rauf, Servant of the Compassionate. Even though this may be just a user name, Abdur Rauf is a very good name.

Based on your question regarding the guidance of Allah, and based on your current question, I would really recommend you to try a book if you wish. I think that inshaAllah after reading the book, you might get up saying 'O wow, that made so much sense now!' regarding the teachings of Islam concerning such matters. The book is only 7 pages long but very compact in information. You can download it here (and perhaps print it)

http://www.islamtomorrow.com/books/true_religion_of_god/TrueRelegion.pdf

I also recommend Muslims to read this book.

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answered 40117 UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

greetings to you as well umar servant of god, but dude you didn't just seriously tell me to read a book that is written for 12 year-olds? and that started with perhaps the dumbest arguement i've ever heard, and seen before. the naming thing cracks me up everytime i see it. and this guy throws the hindus in there. so hindus are followers of who? some guy named hind? http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_meaning.asp

anyway, that's not important. but see i'm an atheist. so telling me islam is the one true religion because allah says so or because the koran says this or that, is tantomount to

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:17) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

a scientologist telling you that he or she follows the one true religion because it say this or that in dianetics.

o wow, look at that. scientology doesn't name it's self after it's founder. it must have some insight.

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:21) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

href="http://www.starkimbiz11.blogspot.com/">very good suggest the kaffir is out side of islam

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This fact is none beloved, he wants to know what consitutes a kaffir.salaam

(Oct 23 '13 at 02:27) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Kaffirs are people who don't believe in Allah.

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what if you believe in the trinity? or that allah came to earth as a man, fard (whatever they guy's name is who founded the natin of islam). or that the mahdi has come and gone as the ahmadis? or the moromon's who believe joseph smith was a prophet. hindus, buddhists? how about the alawites? can you please be more specific?

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:36) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

This is an Islamic site isn't it?

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:39) answerer answerer's gravatar image

answerer: But is Allah = God or not?

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Flanders we danced to this tune before Allah-Yahweh is not God and this is by definition.

(Oct 23 '13 at 14:38) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

The question was for answerer...

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:02) UnknownUser UnknownUser's gravatar image

Hey yaqin. You are comitting a shirk... God may forgive any sin except for committing shirk...

(Oct 24 '13 at 12:35) UnknownUser UnknownUser's gravatar image

You are funny flanders

(Oct 24 '13 at 12:51) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Flanders: Yes.

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@answerer are you equating Allah the title God? If so present your proof, for Allah is not God and again this is by definition. I don't know if you are muslim and if so what madhab you follow but this information you have given the brother is a statement of shirk. I seek refuge with Allah from that. Flanders we have debated this and I have shown you with textual proof why this is not so. Salaam

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:35) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

What do you mean? And no, I aint a shirk. They're creepy. And are you Muslim?

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:38) answerer answerer's gravatar image

Alhamdulillahee brother yaqin.

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:40) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Answerer you upon misguidance. And you have committed a very serious sin.

(Oct 23 '13 at 16:09) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

What did I say?

(Oct 23 '13 at 16:12) answerer answerer's gravatar image

Yaqin, are you even Muslim? What the hell do you mean Allah isn't God? I thought you were moderator, so aren't YOU meant to be the clever one?

(Oct 24 '13 at 14:04) answerer answerer's gravatar image

Guys watch this video and both if you right, so chill http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VuOzCWwU-FU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVuOzCWwU-FU

(Oct 24 '13 at 14:10) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

@answerer again you speak without knowledge, if you just do some research you will find that Allah is not god and this is by definition.I will pull up the debate on this subject and if you want the haqq read it for yourself. Then get back at me with your proof against the textual proof I presented. I sense that you are hostile towards me and I believe am the cause of this, beloved if I offended you please forgive me, for that is not my intent. I only want for you what I want for myself, that being not to be misguided. Inshallah read the debate. ALLAH AND GOD. salaam

(Oct 24 '13 at 15:59) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Yep @yaqin is right and I would say when you using ths website please try t be bit nicer because I seen you other post to. think before yo talk or post. :)

(Oct 24 '13 at 16:02) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image
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Kafir in the language is the one who covers on something. and in Islam kafir is everyone who covers on the truth (message came to us via prophet Muhammad salla Allahou 3alayhi wa sallam).

for example, if there is a glass on the table and someone deny and say there is nothing on the table.. and then we show him and tell him see the glass here is.. and then he covers it by something and say see from this view there is nothing so we remove his veils or come from another side and tell him here is the glass...etc. so the kafir is the person who covers on the truth (or denies it after it came to him its knowledge).. they see/know the truth and deny/cover it.

We muslims ask Allah to kaffar our sins. which means that we ask Allah to cover on our sins and forgive it.. as in (3:193, 2:271, 39:35, 4:31, 8:29, 47:2...) and that is why there is the "kafir of the people of the book" mentioned in the verses(2:105, 59:2, 59:11, 98:1, 98:6).. and the ones who said that Allah is the Messiah son of Mary are kafir as mentioned in 5:75, 5:17, 5:73,

and in the first sourah/part in Quran we are taught that there are two wrong paths; path of maghdoub alayhim "those who evoked Allah's anger"..(because they not only denied the truth but also made a wrong path and said it will drive to Allah. and the other wrong path is the path of "ed-Daaal-leen"(astray/lost).. (because they followed the wrong path or did not find the correct/right path.

Salaam/peace upon ones who followed the guidance (of Allah)

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Inclined2truth thanks for presenting the haqq that I presented in my answer above.

(Oct 23 '13 at 16:07) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Elhamdoulellah brother yaqin! may Allah cause the reasons that the truth/haqq be presented always on this site. and may we be of His/its soldiers.

(Oct 23 '13 at 16:39) inclined2truth inclined2truth's gravatar image

Answerer: OK, but is life God´s son?

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Flanders: no. bro.

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