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are all non-muslim kaffir? or are jews and unitarian christians not, because they believe in one god?

if muslims believe in one god, but have prophets after muhammad. are they kaffir and excluded from heaven?

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closed Oct 25 '13 at 01:50 sadie ♦ 1.6k315 sadie's gravatar image

can anyone give a yes or no answer? yes is kafiir no is not. pagan/amimists. zoroastrianism. jews. christians. hinduism. buddhism. taoistm. confucianism. jainism. shintos. rastafari. any shia sects? feel free to break any sects down that you know of.

(Oct 24 '13 at 19:28) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

Anyone who denies Allah as the one true creator of the heavens and earth and deny Muhammad sallallahu allahi WA Salam as the seal of the prophets and deny the Qur'an as the Devine word of Allah and deny the religion chosen by Allah Al Islam , after the truth has been brought to them, then yes that's kufr. To hide conceal and cover up is what kuf in Arabic means. And kufr islamically implied means DISBELIEF. Is it clear to you now? And Allah knows best. Salaam

(Oct 24 '13 at 19:58) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image
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thank you sadie. i did already know that kukr means to conceal or cover. "towards understand islam" by abul s something something makes that quite clear. although he says it is often mistranslated as disbelief, yet two sentences latter uses the word disbelief. i guess that's the implied part. anyway, anyone who denies any one of those is a kafir. k. good to know. i've just have had muslims tell me that people of the book are not kaffir. even had one muslim tell me that hindus are actually monotheists, and therefore may not be kafir.

(Oct 24 '13 at 23:28) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

so other tht possibly some shia sects you are saying they are all kafir.

(Oct 24 '13 at 23:28) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

As long as the truth he has reached them and they deny it yes.

(Oct 24 '13 at 23:39) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

The question has been closed for the following reason "The question is answered, right answer was accepted" by sadie Oct 25 '13 at 01:50

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AssalamuAlaikm dear brothers and sisters. Greetings to you Abdur Rauf, Servant of the Compassionate. Even though this may be just a user name, Abdur Rauf is a very good name.

Based on your question regarding the guidance of Allah, and based on your current question, I would really recommend you to try a book if you wish. I think that inshaAllah after reading the book, you might get up saying 'O wow, that made so much sense now!' regarding the teachings of Islam concerning such matters. The book is only 7 pages long but very compact in information. You can download it here (and perhaps print it)

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I also recommend Muslims to read this book.

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answered 40117 UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

greetings to you as well umar servant of god, but dude you didn't just seriously tell me to read a book that is written for 12 year-olds? and that started with perhaps the dumbest arguement i've ever heard, and seen before. the naming thing cracks me up everytime i see it. and this guy throws the hindus in there. so hindus are followers of who? some guy named hind? http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/h_meaning.asp

anyway, that's not important. but see i'm an atheist. so telling me islam is the one true religion because allah says so or because the koran says this or that, is tantomount to

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:17) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

a scientologist telling you that he or she follows the one true religion because it say this or that in dianetics.

o wow, look at that. scientology doesn't name it's self after it's founder. it must have some insight.

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:21) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

There are no prophets after Muhammad, pbuh, as he was the seal, the last of the line of prophets to come. If you are also referring to the coming of Jesus, pbuh, again, in the future, He will announce Islam as the true faith and will say he is a muslim........................................

Islam , means subbmission,,, Muslim, means to submit. Islam is a continuation of Christianity, with updated laws by the Grace of Allah for the time, ( new times) in the coming of Muhammed, pbuh, and his prophethood. It is now the completion of Faith and knowledge in Allah, for guidence in life. Thus why Arabic was chosen as the language to articulate The Quran, as it could not be corrupted like the Bible was. So in Allahs wisdom, this has preserved the knowledge for all generations to come.

Any other person of a faith in Christianity, judaism, or Sabians, or any of no actual faith, but a firm belief in Allah, as one Allah ( god) then they will be judged accordingly.

Kaffirs are people that have no faith or beleif in Allah, (A one god), or those that associate partners to Allah, ( a one god )

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answered 3488 abyadgirl's gravatar image

arabic was choosen because it couldn't be corrupted? then why was the first koran destroyed? why was it's language changed. i thought jesus was a jew? no prophets after muhammad? then what is al-mahdi?

so unitarian christians are not kaffir? but trinity christian are kaffir. why is it hard for y'all to be specific? so who are the sabians? that's a no go on zorastians? fire worshipers in your book?

guess you have never heard the apostalic creed. "one being with the father"????

so are muslims superior to all others?

(Oct 21 '13 at 18:19) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

It is not known who the original Sabians were, ( possibly some thing to do with the Prophet Idris,pbuh ( Enoch ) and his teachings)but the name was adopted by some groups in order to give themselves legitimacy as People of the Book. This obviously was accepted by Allah, because they beleived in Allah and Allah alone. Imam Mahdi, will be a descendant of Prophet Mohammad, and will be chosen as a leader, administrator, for Rome"?? ( I think its Rome), after the king of Rome is killed ( also Muslim )

(Oct 21 '13 at 19:39) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image

old enoch? noah's grandfather? i thought the sabians were thought to be followers of john the baptist? matter not i guess. so do you think it is right in the koran when it says that the pharohs crucified people? thought the romans came up with crucifixion as a means of execution?

so mahdi isn't a prophet, just an administrator? and he must be descended from muhammad? does he have to be an arab then?

(Oct 22 '13 at 14:30) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

salaam sister, Islam is not a continuation of Christianity. Jesus, pbuh was sent to the lost sheep tribe of Israel, he was never sent to the whole world. He was sent to them because they had drifted and deviated and corrupted the teachings that had come before. Never did Jesus pbuh say that he was sent to the whole world. Islam is what was always revealed. Islam is what always prevailed but it was perfected for us through our prophet Rassulsaws. Jesus, pbuh, never said he was a Christian. There is nothing which supports that he was a Christian, no text on record states this.

(Oct 22 '13 at 15:05) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

As a matter of fact, most Christians should call themselves Christologists because this is the study of Jesus Christ pbuh. It is what people say about Jesus was, not who Jesus pbuh actually was and how he lived. For he himself never told anybody he was a Christian. This is an important understanding to gain. Jesus pbuh was a Muslim and he had a specific mission to carry out, like all of the prophets. Mohammed saws was sent to all of the humanity.

(Oct 22 '13 at 15:13) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

Asalaam, stronghold. The books that came down and the Prophets that came with the messages, were all of one faith. The term Christianity is that, it is also Islam. As was the Torah. It is the division of books and practices, thus the varying "faiths," that bring us to the different so called doctrines. Each book, came to a certain time, for that time frame, and along the way got corrupted. There for The Quran refers to many stories mentioned in the Bible, as a continuation of One faith, but in a truthful and uncorrupted manner, and for our life time and times.

(Oct 22 '13 at 15:32) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image

True, Jesus, pbuh, would of called himself a Muslim.Most of Jesus, pbuh, life history has been erased from the Bible. But in recent discoveries of scrolls and documents unearthed, show Jesus, pbuh, as totally unrecognizable to the Christian faith and their beliefs. Also, the Christians have no real methodology to follow, all was lost, via the teachings of Jesus. As for the Torah, this holds many of the laws set down, and the Jewish so called faith adheres more strictly to them. Also, alot of what we, Muslims, practice in commandments are placed in the Torah.

(Oct 22 '13 at 15:52) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image

Therefor, The Quran is a continuation of Islam, from the first books to appear, from Adam, onwards. It is the people of the areas, countries, there origins, that determine the name they give to their " docturine", faith. But it is all and one in the same. Hence if you look into all religions around the world and social, cultural beliefs, they are all very similar, and stories are just with slight differences, due to interpretations , and languages. With also the innovations and added fantasies have been mixed into most.

(Oct 22 '13 at 15:56) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image
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Of course Jesus did not call himself a Christian, he called himself what he was...a Jew. And the additional discovered documents don't render Jesus unrecognizable to Christians at all.

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:22) puppas puppas's gravatar image

"Hence if you look into all religions around the world and social, cultural beliefs, they are all very similar," hinduism is close to islam? shinto? voodoo? scientology? jainism, "Jaina beliefs postulate that the universe was never created, nor will it ever cease to exist. It is independent and self-sufficient, and does not require any superior power to govern it." animists?

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:33) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

Abul Rauf some of the religious belove in one god but in different way. It like light shining at different windows

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:36) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

i agree. and you often see cooperation between different religions in america. christians allowing muslims to use their churches or prayer halls in times of need. it's just very odd that you don't see such tolerance out of muslims. especially in muslim majority lands. and also i don't think most muslims would agree with abyadgirl's broad definition of a muslim. seems too open minded. :)

(Oct 22 '13 at 16:44) abul rauf abul%20rauf's gravatar image

Depending on who I ask, I've been called a kaffir, a non-believer, a Person of the Book, that I'm destined for hell fire because I won't convert to Islam, and that I may enter Paradise because I'm a PoB (double to be technical). I gave up long ago getting a straight answer.

(Oct 22 '13 at 23:07) puppas puppas's gravatar image

a_girl, "Also, alot of what we, Muslims, practice in commandments are placed in the Torah." that's part of the problem. did you see the news out of yemen today. looks like someone takes their leviticus seriously. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-24638059

puppas, "I gave up long ago getting a straight answer." i feel ya.

(Oct 23 '13 at 13:01) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image
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