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I have so many question about you. Your name is abdul rauf, which means slave of the merciful, were you once a Muslim now an Atheist? What made you become Atheist? Were there like certain information that made you convert? If you weren't muslim at first, then why do you have such a username since your Atheist? I've seen some of your comments that you have replied to and it's as if you dislike this religion and you don't agree with what most people say. Are there like may some sort of question you have that you would like to ask? Like maybe questions that bother your mind and want to ask? Anyway, why are you on an islamic website when you are Atheist? All these questions I'm asking are all curiosity. I don't know how to private message someone so that's why I created this topic. Do you also have some proof that Allah doesn't exist since you Atheist? Also, if a moderator sees this topic please do not close it, as I really want to know about this person, and this topic also relates to islam as I asked a question at the end to abdul rauf do you have proof that Allah doesn't exist. Also, this isn't a hate message as I don't hate you Mike, but I'm just very curious.

asked 130318 omar's gravatar image
closed Oct 24 '13 at 00:53 sadie ♦ 1.6k315 sadie's gravatar image

Beloved mike has been around for a good while under many names, for the sake of you wanting to know from him his position I will let him speak for himself. Salaam

(Oct 23 '13 at 02:13) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Okay, thanks for not closing it, I'm very curious about him. Thank you.

(Oct 23 '13 at 02:21) omar omar's gravatar image

Go to community site and he is mikejm you both can message each other there . For now I'll leave it . Salaam

(Oct 23 '13 at 02:44) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Sadie, I am not an atheist, but regarding your question to Mike if he had proof of the Creator there is no way to prove definitively in His existence or not. This is something that has been accepted on faith. Holy books cannot be used as "proof" because accepting them as holy is an individual decision and not based on fact.

(Oct 23 '13 at 03:08) puppas puppas's gravatar image

I didn't ask the question maybe you should re read. Why are you always on my back? Give me space.

(Oct 23 '13 at 03:42) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

I just read the question. Again. But to answer your question, I am not always on your back, as I don't know you and quite frankly am not concerned about the condition of your back. :) And unless you are in my house, I cannot help you with your personal space. I suggest some relaxation techniques, that may help. God bless!

(Oct 23 '13 at 04:11) puppas puppas's gravatar image

Nice question brother Omar,i think it will be very great if Mr. Abul Rauf, come to answer the question

(Oct 23 '13 at 11:04) UnknownUser UnknownUser's gravatar image

my answer is below.

omar, i just sent you a personal message so you can simply reply, as long as my mikejm account exists? not sure what the banning situation is these days? lol. anyway for those who don't know. when you go to the community page there is a gray box under the title Board Index, there is User Control Panel (0 New Messages). click on (0 New Messages) and that will take you the Personal Message page. click on New PM button and away you go. of course the community page doesn't seem to be taking off?

(Oct 23 '13 at 11:24) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image
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Hey abul rauf I hope your still here, but how old are you? Just wondering... And be honest are you kind. 72/73?

answered 0543145 UnknownUser's gravatar image
edited Oct 23 '13 at 14:56

ned i'm 44. how old are you? am i kind? yes i'm very kind.

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:04) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

Does the year 1938 say anything to you?

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:41) UnknownUser UnknownUser's gravatar image

That's why you thought we supported terrorism and told me this do called quote. Ahem, 'I know the Koran says to kill people for "spreading corruption". Where the hell does it say that in the Qur'an? Islam DOES NOT support terrorism in any way. It says THAT in the Qur'an dude. 'Invite all to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching. And argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious... And if you punish, let your punishment be proportional to the wrong that has been done to you. But if you show patience, that is indeed the best course. Be patient, for your patience is from God. And do not grieve over them, or distress yourself because of their plots. For God is with those who restrain themselves, and those who do good. Quran 16:125-128' Yeah, it says in the Qur'an that terror will be cast in their hearts in HELL, but it's not to be cast by us bro. Word.

answered 518 answerer's gravatar image

re-read 5:32-33. because of this we did ordain unto the children of israel, if you slay one man, UNLESS IT BE IN PUNISHMENT FOR MURDER OR SPREADING CORRUPTION, it shall be as if you have slain all mankind. and if you save a life it shall be as if you have saved all mankind. but regardless of this many go on commiting all maners of excesses on earth...5:33 it is a just recompense for those who make war on allah and his apostle and ENDEVOR TO SPREAD CORRUPTION on earth, that they be slain in great numbers, crucified in great numbers, have their hands and feet cut off in great numbers or

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:24) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

be entirely banished from the face of the earth. such is their IGNOMONY IN THIS WORLD, yet in the life to come more awesome suffering awaits them.

somethimes it's translated as mischief.

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:26) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

Exactly, I don't effing get that. Great. These things stress me out and I start doubting God.

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:26) answerer answerer's gravatar image

Now your question makes since. Doubt Allah? No your listening to Satan.

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:59) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Thank you.

(Oct 23 '13 at 16:00) answerer answerer's gravatar image


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top right of the page has a black banner. click on it.

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:57) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

Oh. Thanks dude!

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:59) answerer answerer's gravatar image

Ok Mike.. Are your father or mother born in 1938? Or someone you know..

answered 0543145 UnknownUser's gravatar image

omar, why am i on an islamic website. simply put, because that is were you find muslims, discussing islam. are there questions which bother my mind, of course. i guess the real question is why do i care about muslims and islam. well after 9/11 i didn't worry about it. i believed it when muslims said it's not about islam, those aren't muslims. i believed them. isolated incident. then 7/7 and 3/11. and ofcourse news reports brought old terrorist activities back up. 98 embassy bombing, khobar towers, the cole. then i remembered the 93 wtc bombing. then i remembered that muslims in the southern philiphines have been trying to establish an islamic state almost since the got there. indonesia JI, bali bombing. then yo see boko haram in nigeria. so then i started to read the bbc. story after story out of the islamic world. pakistan, an absolute basket case. so i started to think the common denominator here is islam.

also, one of the things 9/11 did was to kind of move the small number of american muslims out into the spot light. and they started talking about how great islam was, and how beautiful of a religion it is. and i thought, what are they talking about? that's not the reality. then one night i was drunk and sent emails to like a dozen CAIR (Council on American Islamic Relations) offices in america. i went with the old 4:11, why do women inherit half as much as men. they all replied the same, the maintianer and protector theory, except the woman in philly. she said that law was no longer applicable. anyway i started emailing the tampa spokesman and reading their website. i had dinner with him and he gave me a koran. i read the first 5 surahs and was like this isn't good. so i would ask him questions and he would often say he wasn't a scholar. then we had dinner again and he told me there were two races of giants that god killed for not bowing down to him. i thought, crazy. muslim seem to think islam is perfect, that the koran is perfect. so there is a huge disconnet between what muslims are saying and what is actually happening. so why not see what everyday muslims are saying in there own environment? then i came across and as i read the articles and the comments and i was totally taken aback by the attitude. so i commented. and sarah said my heart was diseased and muhammad bennet would call me ignorant. so i read more of the koran and started to read hadiths on then a new guy took over at cair tampa and i sent him questions, but he stopped responding. so i went to a couple of events. first one i was late and didn't even think about it til the next day, but i sat in the back, messed up the segragation. one mosque the women were behind a wall. that made me laugh. and now there are states trying to pass legislation to keep sharia out of american courts and cair and others are fighting it. they say there is no need for these laws because no one wants to impose sharia. so what harm is there in passing the law. all that and i still don't know what islam is or what muslims want. so now i'm here. so what is it you want omar. sharia to be the law of the land? you saw the story out of yemen, how about brunie?

answered (suspended) mikejm's gravatar image

Referring to the story that happened in Yemen, those people are "jaahilin" which means in English those that have very little knowledge, exactly like those that burn't their daughter alive. If they were well-experienced and were smart, that would have not done that. There are many ignorant muslims out there that don't know what they are doing, for example, I heard that 90 something percent of rape that occurs in the UK are by muslims, why? It's because they are ignorant and haven't followed the right path of Islam. If they well and truly do read the Quran and the Hadiths of the prohet (pbuh), they wouldn't do such acts. So far, I haven't seen a well-experienced and smart muslim do acts like these, only the ignorant ones that know nothing do these.

answered 130318 omar's gravatar image

well how many muslims do you think are smart and experianced? i think you hit the nail on the head. the koran is not clear and easily interpreted to justify such actions. and the entire culture which places such emphasis on virginity leads to such actions. look at the slippery slope reasoning in islam. women must cover themselves and both should lower their gazes. why? appearently the female form drive muslim men into such a state of arousal that they won't be able to help themselves. fornication is sure to follow. so when a daughter refuses to wear her hijab her father and brother strangle

(Oct 24 '13 at 09:16) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

her (canada). father shots two daughters for their "westernized" dress (texas). father kills two daughters and first baren wife, again too "westernized" (might have also been texas)? pakistani mother throws acid on 14 year-old daughter for "looking at boy". as for "So far, I haven't seen a well-experienced and smart muslim do acts like these" the grand mufti of saudi arabia said you must allow 10 year-old girls to marry. top cleric in australia, after a spat of rape commited my muslims on austrlian women, "if you put meat in the alley and a cat comes and eats the meat, you don't blame the cat"

(Oct 24 '13 at 09:22) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

al-zawahari is a trained medical doctor. bin laden a civil engineer. should be smart enough to read the koran and hadiths and figure out what path to follow?

i can't image your rape stats are right. muslms are less than 10% of the pop. in the UK. but speaking of rape. did you see the video i posted under women in islam on community page? that guy says rape is not even mentioned in the koran. odd don't you think. don't eat pork, don't drink. you would think don't rape might take a priority to those? did you see the post on dna evidence? what do you think of the hadith on coitus interruptus

(Oct 24 '13 at 09:34) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

Mike, do you spend as much time on other sites such as catholic, christian, hindu, etc? Or is it just Islamic because Islam caught your attention due to the reasons you gave? After all this time, do you have any room for the belief that Islam is a religion of peace? If not, what is it that you need to prove?

answered 5287 stronghold's gravatar image

just this website. but if you know of a catholic one i would be happy to join you on it. hinduism i know very little about. the caste system is perhaps the worst religious ideology i've ever heard of. and speaking of honor killings, most of them take place in india. not sure if they distinguish between hindu and muslim indians in the stats. but if you google "burning brides" you will see and estimated 5000 hindu women burnt to death because their new husband doesn't accept their dowry.

islam could morph into a religion of peace. with these new means of communication anything is possible?

(Oct 24 '13 at 09:40) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

emphasis somethings in it and de-emphasis others and you never know. but to me it looks like islam is moving backwards. but that just may be because of these new means of communication? all this may have been going on all through the 60s, 70s and 80s. just never knew about it.

(Oct 24 '13 at 09:43) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

omar, sorry for the confusion my name has caused. i started with mike malzahn. but i was "permanently" banned. then i was michael malzahn, mike m, m mike, yusef (my middle name is joseph), yoham, mdx, khalid soa, (all long storys as to why i choose those names) then badtooth (zahn in german means tooth), then i had a whole serious of tooth names, chipedtooth, deadtooth, pulldatooth, several others, it made ME laugh. then it was supposed to be abdul rauf, but i typoed, a referance to chris jackson. he played for the nuggets in the 90s and converted to islam and then refused to stand for the national anthem before games. caused a little bruhahah. also, there is iman faisal abdul rauf who was the main force behind the cordova house, now known as park 51. what some refer to as the ground zero mosque. another controversy. so, a rose by another name...

i was raised a catholic. went to 12 years of catholic school. no life shattering event made me an atheist, just reason. puppas is right, i can no more prove there is no god than you can prove there is. if anything it is harder to "prove" a negative, or a lack of metaphysical existance. can you "prove" there aren't 100s of gods?

as to why i'm on an islamic website, that story is as long as my name. let me know if you're up for that ramblimg answer. btw, there is no reason i would associate your question with hate. no need to worry about offending me dude. so i hope you aren't offended when i say, yes i don't like islam. just like i would not want to live under a jewish, christian, hindu, buddhist, etc. regime.

mike malzahn/mikejm

answered (suspended) abul%20rauf's gravatar image
edited Oct 23 '13 at 11:07

Beloved this our friend mike and he hasn't waivered as of yet. This is what I admire about him, he has to admit though, being on this site, he has learned a lot from muslims here and I suggest we learn the lesson he is teaching us that being what not to do. Salaam

(Oct 23 '13 at 11:55) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

And Mike, abul rauf, or whatever your name is, I bet you're feeling famous now. A question with your name included.... it cannot get any better than that. Dude.

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edited Oct 24 '13 at 00:50 sadie ♦ 1.6k315 sadie's gravatar image

Answerer, when you use condescending, vulgar language you don't look good. It is not a sign of manhood or superiority of any kind...just a lowering of your own moral codes. Brother, athe best point one can make is by logical argument/discussion. This is for your own good. Salaam

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:50) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

answerer, yaqin asked the question, "why is mike malzahn so evil" back in may. so no big whoop.

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:55) mikejm mikejm's gravatar image

Yep, you're completely right brother. I don't feel superior. It ISN'T a sign of manhood.... thank's for guiding me brother. Really.

(Oct 23 '13 at 15:55) answerer answerer's gravatar image
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