Differences between wahabis and sunnis?

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closed Nov 07 '13 at 15:47 Bibi Amina ♦ 60618 Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

@Bibi Amina you closed this topic but I'm confused what is the right answer being that there are many post on the subject. How would someone who doesnot know see what you said is the right answer? Salaam

(Nov 07 '13 at 15:56) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Yaqin you have answered question using hadits so why do you want people to spend time in here instead of answering other Muslim question?

(Nov 07 '13 at 15:58) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

sis don't close until right answer is accepted and clear as to what is the haqq. lets give this more time . as u can see another question was just asked that is pretty much the same thing . salaam

(Nov 07 '13 at 16:04) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Guys do what ever makes you happy and I will be happy with it too. Salam do forgive me

(Nov 07 '13 at 16:05) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

no need to forgive we are a team :) salaam

(Nov 07 '13 at 16:06) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

@Anakata, beloved I read what you had posted and I wrote on the topic than I erased it, for I didn't want be the cause of dispute among Muslims. But after I re-read what you have post I see the importance of dealing with your claims. With that said lets proceed!

Allah azza wal jall has stated in the qur'an,

" And verily! This your religion is one religion, and I'am your Lord, so keep your duty to Me." (23:52)

Beloved, this is the haqq and our duty is what Allah has commanded us,

" And hold fast, all of you together, to the rope of Allah, and be not divided among yourselves." (3:103inpart)

Now the sunnah says reported by Abu Hurairah, " The Jews and the Christians were divided into seventy-one or seventy-two religious sects, and this nation will divide itself into seventy-three religious sects- all in hell, except one, and that one is: The one on which I and my companions are on today." (At-tirmidhi, Ibn Majah and Abu Da'ud)

Beloved, allow me to quote from you the first being, " Wahhabi Muslims are followers of Mohammad Ibn Abdul Wahhab in the 18th century Arabia."

The second being, " Sunni Muslim believe in the four Imams of fiqh"

Beloved we can agree on one thing and that is, it is not legislated anywhere in the Qur'an and the sunnah to follow any school of thought or any man for the Rasul saws was US WATUM HASANAH, the best example to follow. You have made the claim that you are a Wahhabi Muslim so to get a grasp on your statement one must first learn what that title entails, and the question to ask is, " Was the Rasul saws or his companions such? Lets deal with the first part of my statement, then we will deal with the question inshallah.

Imam Muhammad Ibn Abidin (1784-1836CE) stated,

"The name of KHAWARIJI is applied to those who part ways with Muslims and declare them kufr, as took place in our time with the FOLLOWERS OF IBN ABD AL-WAHHAB who came out of Najd (in Eastern Arabian peninsula) and attacked the two Noble Sanctuaries (Mecca-Madina). They (Wahhabis) claimed to follow the Hanbali school, but their belief was such that, in their view, they alone are Muslims and everyone else is a mushrik. Under this guise, they said that killing Ahlul al sunnah and their scholars was permissible, until Allah the Exalted destroyed them in the year 1233 (1818CE) at the hands of the Muslim army." (Imam Muhummad Ibn 'Abidin, Hashiyat radd al-muhtar ala al-durr al-mukhtar, 3:309 chapter on rebels)

Now beloved these words was stated many years ago and the words are reflected in your post today, the shaykh stated that Wahhab was a of the Hanbali school of thought, you say different in your post, my question to you is," you say that the those who claim to be sunni are in error four accepting the four schools but you accept a school of thought from Wahhab the only difference is that he is the Imam, what is the difference?" Where is it legislated? While you ponder this lets move forward.

The wahhabis claim the title of salafi, to indicate that that they are following the pious predecessors. Before proceeding further, it is helpful to have some grasp of the application ofthe noun Salaf and its adjectival correspondent Salafi. For example, scholars speak of the salafi school of Qur'anic interpretation, a misnomer since it does not refer to the pious predecessor but to the scholars who came mush later. The Sunni understanding of the term Salaf, however, is firmly grounded in the words of the Prophet saws pertinent to its meaning. In the well known tradition, when he was asked about which age was best:

" The best age is this one; then the one that follows it; then the one that follows that one." ( bukhari-Muslim)

In other words, the best age of mankind is the one in which he was sent, that is, the age of his companions. The next best age is that of the successors to the companions, and the next i the successors to the successors. It is of these three generations that the scholars of islam speak when they use the term salaf. Anyone else is of the kalaf.

Now please allow me to state what those that follow Wahhab are upon and I will use his words form one of his fatwas inshallah,

" He who believes that the meaning of Allah's hand in verses such as " Allah's hand is over their hand" is His power; or that allah's establishment (istiwa) is his overpowering (istila), or that Allah is in every place,is an ignorant, misguided innovator who has contravened the SALAFI DOCTRINE (al-'aqida al-salafiyya) FOLLOWED BY THE PROPHET, HIS COMPANIONS, AND THEIR PIOUS FOLLOWERS SUCH AS THE FOUR IMAMS AND THE SCHOLARS WHO SUCCEEDED THEM." ( Rasa'il wa fatawa li a-shaykh Muhammad ibn 'abd al-whahhab wa abna'ih, page 14 Question 14.

The problem with his fatawa is that he attributes a doctrine to the Rasul saws and his companions tis in it self is haram. I'm going to stop here so you can respond to these facts, inshallah, I wll deal with your statement about woman being third rate citizen for this is not the haqq. I humbly wait for your reply. salaam

answered 765830 yaqin's gravatar image
edited Nov 06 '13 at 22:44

Oh! I'm surprised. You've found backup evidences! That's amazing.

(Nov 06 '13 at 22:27) Anakata Anakata's gravatar image

Beloved i dont know if you said this statement out of sincerity or sarcasism. Be that as it may, you can check my post while here on this site I dont shoot from the hip, actually I held back for the sake of brotherhood. But i will wait to see where you go from this point. salaam

(Nov 06 '13 at 22:50) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Mike read my post and you will come to your own conclusion. Salaam

(Nov 07 '13 at 15:42) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@yaqin, i quess i don't understand. i thought the salafi movement is to return islam to the practices of the prophet and his companions. "In other words, the best age of mankind is the one in which he was sent, that is, the age of his companions."

do they not mean to consolidate all of islam into one "sect"? "all in hell, except one, and that one is: The one on which I and my companions are on today."

my conclusion from what i think it is and your statements is you say: yes? but i don't want to put words in your mouth.

or i guess yo are saying the only people who could be salaf are dead

(Nov 07 '13 at 16:06) mikejm2 mikejm2's gravatar image

and present day people should be refered to as kalaf? "It is of these three generations that the scholars of islam speak when they use the term salaf. Anyone else is of the kalaf."

again naming games aren't that important to me. the question is, is their brand of islam the correct one? their sharia proper. you seem in line with them on most issues? are there any you differ?

can you kindergarten it down for me, i don't really follow. maybe a simple yes or no would help. then the indepth explaination of history and terminology? my brain doesn't work quite right due to all the saddness. ;)

(Nov 07 '13 at 16:13) mikejm2 mikejm2's gravatar image

Mike if you read what I said in my post is clear, no it is not the call to proper islam, and I dont side with their dawah if it goes against the quran and sunnah, but if it does than I accept the truth of the quran and sunnah where ever it comes from. I told you before when you thought I was shia remember. The kalaf mike is those generations after the salaf. And it is from these people that wahhab drew his version of islam. For their is no books written by the salaf, understand. Read what the Anakata said he is a wahhabi muslim. The Rasul was no such thing. So how can this be right? Salaam

(Nov 07 '13 at 16:33) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

i remember, (bare with me, i know little of this history) you are what a_girl may call "just muslim". you're a free thinker, why do you think i like you. so malik, hanif, hanbal, shaf (whoever) were not (companions/salaf) or within the first three generations?

do not the wahhabi/salafi mean to emulate the prohet and his companions, the first three generations, thus the name salafi.

why i thought you were a shia is because you seemed to be saying the companions, especially abu bakr had acted inappropriately, "unislamicly", if you will. so if i follow, and i may definately not....

(Nov 07 '13 at 17:02) mikejm2 mikejm2's gravatar image

you are saying all schools and sects are derived from men, after muhammad's death and are therefore subject to flaws. even the "rightly guided?/pious companions?" errored from time to time and those errors have made their way into some schools of fiqh. therefore you believe that when one blindly follows a school they may be misguided by fiqh which is not the right path, which deviates from the sunnah.???

didn't think anakata said he was a wahhabi. he seemed to compare more sufism (not the arabia part ofc) and more orthodox sunni. but you should know best, i best re-read.

(Nov 07 '13 at 17:09) mikejm2 mikejm2's gravatar image

@yaqin, tis true what you say, I have come across many types of Muslim, and i have learnt, that i will not assign myself to any particular school. We should adhere to the Quran, the Hadiths, be they from 4 books, and none should be favoured above another. It is wisdom and insight that comes from understanding, and knowing Allah Himslef, in turn knowing ourselves that is most fundamental here.With time and given knowledge, outreaches any mans inferences on religion. As faith ,patience and perseverance, in seeking Allah is the highest school we can learn from.

(Nov 07 '13 at 17:27) abyadgirl abyadgirl's gravatar image

Mike what you have said is exactly what I'm saying after the demise of the Rasul saws many things have crept into the deen. Most get caught up on titles of men and in their minds they raise them up to holy status. Salaam

(Nov 07 '13 at 17:56) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

@yaqin, was that so hard to say? three months trying to figure out what you're getting at. rightly guided/pious companions/calamity of thursday/fadak(something). man it's like pulling teeth. i know i know, you're trying to let people follow the natural path to their own conclusions, but seriously, some of us are slow on the uptake. state your destination, remember me saying that?

anyway, it was actually kind of a fun journey, you're very cryptic for those of us who are uninformed and monolinguistic. it was like a mini da vinci code or something. peace.

(Nov 07 '13 at 18:21) unkown unkown's gravatar image

sorry, that's me. ^

(Nov 07 '13 at 18:33) mikejm2 mikejm2's gravatar image
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The major difference between Sunni and Wahabi is the beliefs and rituals. Sunnis are in majority and almost 90% percent of Muslims around the world belong to Sunni sect whereas the members of Wahabi movement are located in Saudi Arab. There are a few main and major as well as many secondary differences between the Sunni and Wahabi Muslims which caused these sects to be cut off from each other and emerge independently.

The major difference between them is that Wahabis believe that Prophet Muhammad should be praised only as a human being whereas Sunnis show extra special care and respect towards the Prophet of Islam.

Sunni Muslims celebrate the birthday of the Holy Prophet and arrange Meelaad. Meelaad is a form of gathering in which the Sunni Muslims get together and praise the Holy Prophet. The birthdays of Sufi saints are also celebrated with much dedication and enthusiasm. The day of their deaths are commemorated in the form of Urs. Wahabi Muslims do not believe in celebrating and practicing all these events which are very strongly rooted in Islam. Wahabis call these practices of events as unlawful and wrongful innovations. Wahabis also believe that this is as close as to shirk or polytheism and Sunnis follow the ways of infidel Hindus.

Sunni Muslims believe that Prophet Muhammad is Nur and still present in this world. Whereas Wahabis do not believe in using pious individuals as intermediaries when asking Allah as they consider it shirk or polytheism. Sunnis believe in the saints and mysticism whereas Wahabis do not believe in mysticism, intercession and prostration as well. Sunni Muslims visit the tombs of the saints and perform tawassul for the blessings of Allah whereas it is the greatest sin for a Wahabi.

Sunni Muslims believe in four imams of fiqah or Islamic laws such as Hanfi, Hanbli, Malakii and Shaafeyii whereas Wahabi does not follow an Iman in Fiqh. Wahabi Muslims are a group of fundamentalists and have an orthodox version Islam. Wahabis in Saudi Arab do not allow their females to work side by side with their men and they also are not allowed to drive a car. The women are treated as third rate citizens and they are bound to wear a long abayaa or garment to cover them from head to toe. Sunni Muslims are moderate and believe in the equality of women as suggested by Islam.

There are many differences present in their rituals of praying, marriage ceremonies, dresses etc. Wahabi Muslims have separate mosques and schools. Wahabi Muslims are followers of Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahab in the 18th century in Arabia, and his movement came up against a lot of opposition from the Indians Sunni Muslims. Members of the Wahab movement in Saudi Arabia believe their role as a restorer or reformer to free Islam from negative deviances, heresies, innovations, superstitions and idolatries. Wahabis prefer to eliminate music and listening to songs. They are against watching television and drawings of living things which contain a soul.

answered 577 Anakata's gravatar image

Lets get back to this topic, the muslim has made some broad claims. True there are some muslim that do some of the things the brother had claimed but this is do to schools of thought. No scholars of ahlul sunnah condones these practices or promote it. What I will present is the haqq on the salafi dawah school of quranic interpertation, also none as wahabis. Salaam

(Nov 04 '13 at 20:21) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Brother, that was a nice statement.

I never answer an Islamic question without having a Quranic or Hadith proof. Having no proof is just a futile for me.

(Nov 04 '13 at 20:24) Anakata Anakata's gravatar image

Beloved I don't grasp the reason of your statement, I never suggested that you did anything of the sought. What you did do is make a blanket statement, when I post what I have to say it will be from textual proof inshallah.

(Nov 04 '13 at 22:41) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Salam brother Anakata, there are several statements which you have included in your post which leave me perturbed. As you state that all information is derived from the Qur’an and the Hadiths please provide the references. Brother, I would very much appreciate your efforts.

‘Sunni Muslims celebrate the birthday of the Holy Prophet..’

‘The birthdays of Sufi saints are also celebrated with much dedication and enthusiasm’

(Nov 05 '13 at 04:35) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

‘...these events which are very strongly rooted in Islam.’ (referring to the above)

‘...Wahabis do not believe in using pious individuals as intermediaries...’ (does this insinuate that Sunnis do?)

‘Sunnis believe in the saints and mysticism’

‘Sunni Muslims visit the tombs of the saints and perform tawassul for the blessings of Allah’

(Nov 05 '13 at 04:36) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

@stronghold this mindset is what causes seperation in the brotherhood of islam. My heart aches for I know this is not what the prophet brought or taught. You asked for proof and I'm waiting to see it. Salaam

(Nov 06 '13 at 23:35) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

May Allah guide us to the truth for this life is too short to spend it upon misguidance. The brotherhood should be one and instead we are in fragments. How on earth did this come about?

(Nov 07 '13 at 01:49) stronghold ♦ stronghold's gravatar image

@stronghold Ameen, beloved brother, you and the sister abyadgirl have has been a motivation to seek the haqq on this site. On behalf of moderators such as myself and sadie I thank you two and inclined2truth also umar for sticking to the haqq and for sound research may Allah reward you all. Salaam

(Nov 07 '13 at 11:08) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image
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Alhamdullilah for the answer may ALLAH keep you blessed IN SHA ALLAH

answered 3612 suniza's gravatar image

Wahhabism ( Wahhābiyyah) is an ultra-conservative branch of Sunni Islam, (though some people dispute that a Wahhabi is a Sunni). It is a religious movement among fundamentalist Islamic believers, with an aspiration to return to the earliest fundamental Islamic sources of the Quran and Hadith, with inspiration from the teachings of Medieval theologian Ibn Taymiyyah and early jurist Ahmad ibn Hanbal.

Initially, Wahhabism was a popular revivalist movement instigated by an eighteenth century theologian, Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (1703–1792) from Najd, Saudi Arabia. He began his movement through peaceful discussions with attendees of various shrines and eventually gained popular support by convincing the local Amir, Uthman ibn Mu'ammar, to help him in his struggle. Ibn Abd Al-Wahhab advocated a popular purging of the widespread practices by Muslims being what he considered to be impurities and innovations in Islam.[citation needed]

Mohammed bin Abd Al-Wahhab's teachings have become the dominant form of Islam in Saudi Arabia. The movement claims to adhere to the correct understanding of the general Islamic doctrine of Tawhid, on the "uniqueness" and "unity" of Allah, shared by the majority of Islamic sects, but with an emphasis on advocating following of the Athari school of thought only. Ibn Abd-al-Wahhab was influenced by the writings of Ibn Taymiyya and questioned the prevalent philosophical interpretations of Islam being the Ash'ari and Maturidi schools, claiming to rely on the Qur'an and the Hadith without speculative philosophy so as to not transgress beyond the limits of the early Muslims known as the Salaf. He attacked a "perceived moral decline and political weakness" in the Arabian Peninsula and condemned what he perceived as idolatry, the popular cult of saints, and shrine and tomb visitation.

The terms Wahhabi and Salafi and ahl al-hadith (people of hadith) are often used interchangeably, but Wahhabism has also been called "a particular orientation within Salafism", considered ultra-conservative and which rejects traditional Islamic legal scholarship as unnecessary innovation.

Salafism, on the other hand, has been termed as the hybridation between the teachings of Ibn Abdul-Wahhab and others which have taken place since the 1960s.

The movement gained unchallenged precedence in the Arabian peninsula through an alliance between Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab and the House of Muhammad ibn Saud, which provided political and financial power for the religious revival represented by Ibn Abd al-Wahhab. The writer El Khabar Ousbouî suggests the popularity of the Wahhabi movement is in part due to this alliance and the funding of several religious channels.

The Wahhabi subscribe to the primary doctrine of the uniqueness and unity of God (Tawhid). The first aspect being belief in Allah and His Lordship that He alone is the believer's lord or Rabb. The second being that once one affirms the oneness of worship to Allah and Allah alone. The third is belief and affirmation of Allah's Names and Attributes. Wahhabi theology is very precise in its creed or Aqeedah where the Quran and Hadith are the only fundamental and authoritative texts taken with the understanding of the Salaf. Hadith however in Wahhabi books is not taken from the Prophet but from his companions who came to existence years after him. Commentaries and "the examples of the early Muslim community (Ummah) and the four Rightly Guided Caliphs (AD 632–661)" known as Athar narrations are used to support these texts, hence the name of the school of theology given as Athari, but are not considered independently authoritative.

Ibn Abd al-Wahhab further explains in his book Kitab al-Tawhid, which draws directly on material from the Quran and the narrations of the Prophet, that worship in Islam includes conventional acts of worship such as the five daily prayers; fasting; Dua (supplication); Istia'dha (seeking protection or refuge); Ist'ana (seeking help), and Istigatha to Allah (seeking benefits and calling upon Allah alone). Therefore, making du'a or calling upon anyone or anything other than God, or seeking supernatural help and protection that is only befitting of a divine being from something other than Allah alone are acts of "shirk" and contradict the tenets of Tawhid. Ibn Abd al-Wahhab further explains that Muhammad during his lifetime tried his utmost to identify and repudiate all actions that violated these principles.

The most important of these commentaries are those by Ibn Abd al-Wahhab in particular his book Kitab al-Tawhid, and the works of Ibn Taymiyyah.[citation needed] Ibn Abd al-Wahhab was a follower of Ahmad ibn Hanbal's school of fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) like most in Nejd at the time, but "was opposed to any of the schools (Madh'hab) being taken as an absolute and unquestioned authority".

However Ibn Abd al-Wahhab did not totally condemn taqlid, or blind adherence, only at scholarly level in the face of a clear evidence or proof from a hadeeth or Qur'anic text. Although Wahhabis are associated with the Hanbali school, early disputes did not center on fiqh and the belief that Wahhabism was borne of Hanbali thought has been called a "myth".

Wahhabi beliefs leave no space for tolerance or acceptance of any other religion other than Wahhabism. Amb. Winsor (chairman and owner of the American Chemical Services Company) describes Wahhabism as Sunni Theofascism that imposes its beliefs on others by force.

SUNNIS Sunni Islam (/ˈsuːni/ or /ˈsʊni/) is the largest branch of Islam; its adherents are referred to in Arabic as ahl as-sunnah wa l-jamāʻah, "people of the tradition of Muhammad and the consensus of the Ummah" or ahl as-sunnah. For short, in English, they are known as Sunni Muslims, Sunnis, and Sunnites. Sunni Islam is the largest religious denomination for any religion in the world. Sunni Islam is sometimes referred to as the orthodox version of the religion. The word "Sunni" comes from the term Sunnah, which refers to the sayings and actions of the Islamic prophet Muhammad as recorded in Hadiths.

The primary collections consisting of Kutub al-Sittah accepted by Sunni orthodoxy, in conjunction with the Quran and binding consensus, form the basis of all jurisprudence within Sunni Islam. Laws are derived from these basic sources; in addition, Sunni Islam's juristic schools recognize differing methods to derive verdicts such as analogical reason, consideration of public welfare and juristic discretion.

After the death of Muhammad, Muslims who accepted Abu Bakr as the first Caliph became known as Ahl al-Sunnah wa al-Jama'ah or "the people of tradition and unification" in order to differentiate them from the Shi'a, who rejected Abu Bakr's authority in favor of Hazrat Ali, whom Sunnis accepted as the fourth Caliph rather than the first.

The first four caliphs are known among Sunnis as the Rashidun or "Rightly-Guided Ones". Sunni recognition included as the first was the aforementioned Abu Bakr; as, the second, Umar; as the third, Uthman ibn Affan; and as the fourth, as mentioned above, Ali. After the first four caliphs, the Caliphate was upheld as a political system by dynasties such as the Abbasids and the Ottomans and the Mughal Empire of South Asia. It was also upheld for relatively short periods of time by other competing dynasties in al-Andalus (Spain), North Africa and Egypt. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk abolished the system of the Ottoman Caliphate after Abdülmecid II was officially deposed and expelled from what was once the Ottoman Empire, whereby the Republic of Turkey was founded in 1923 upon secular principl

Sunnis believe that the companions of Muhammad were the best of the Muslims. This belief is based on prophetic traditions such as one narrated by Abdullah, son of Masud, in which Muhammad said: "The best of the people are my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them." Support for this view is also found in Qur'an, according to Sunnis. Sunnis also believe that the companions were true believers since it was the companions who were given the task of compiling the Quran. Furthermore, narrations that were narrated by the companions (ahadith) are considered by Sunnis to be a second source of knowledge of the Muslim faith.

answered 3387 abyadgirl's gravatar image
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@abyadgirl this is good work on the fundamentals of both sunni and wahabis, may Allah reward you. salaam

(Nov 05 '13 at 20:09) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image
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