Did the Rasul saws implement two adhans to be called on jummah?
The azan , I know little about, but i have this, which make me think that the Azan is rightful ,to be called twice, though the description also contains other rules in certain times, ramadan, etc. Here is a snippet of an essay on the Azan,including the revealing of the Azan. As aouthored by prof.Dr.Muhammad Asadullah Al-Ghalib
A group of Sahabis including Umar (R) dreamt of Azan in the same night when the Prophet
(sm) got the direction in the next morning through revelation and asked Belal (R) to chant
Abdullah bin Zaid (R) a Sahabi, who in the morning described first the words of Azan to the
Prophet (sm) which he got through a dream last night. Later on hearing the same call of
Azan in the voice of Belal, Umar (R) came to the Prophet (sm) cladding his wrapper and
said, ‘By Allah! Who send you with truth, I have also seen the same dream’. On hearing this
the Prophet (sm) praised to Allah by uttering ‘Falilla-hil Hamd’ According to one
narrative, eleven Sahabis saw the same dream of Azan in that particular night. It can
be referred that Umar Farooq (R) saw that dream 20 days before. But he did not disclose it
out of shame that Abdullah bin Zaid disclosed it earlier. 
Since Belal had a high-pitched voice the Prophet (sm) asked him to chant Azan and asked
Abdullah bin Zaid the 1st describer of the dream of Azan, to pronounce Iqamat. Anas (R)
said that Belal has been ordered to chant Azan twice and Iqamat once. In this way the
words of Azan in Islam became practiced twice and Iqamat once. On coming back to Madina
after the conquest of Makkah in 8th hijrah, the Prophet (sm) appointed Belal as permanent
Muwazzin of the Masjid-i-Nabavi. In the 11th hijrah after the demise of the Prophet (sm)
Belal migrated to Syria and he left his disciple Sa‘d al-qaraz at Madina on that duty.
Abdullah bin Umar (R) says,
Now according to authentic hadeethes, the process of Azan becomes three and that of Iqamat two. (1) The Kalima of Belali Azan and Iqamat is 15 and 11 respectively as narrated by Abdullah bin Zaid (R), which was in vogue everywhere including Makkah and Madina during the time of the Prophet (sm). (2) 19 and 17 for Tarjee‘ Azan and 17 for Iqamat narrated by Abu Mahzoorah (R), all are permissible. But twice for Azan and once for Iqamat as the process of Belal are undoubtedly the best to follow, which have been accepted cordially by most of the MuslimUmmah in all ages.
yes the second azan of Jum3a was at the time of sayidna Uthman. and we should keep it as sayidna Muhammad told us to follow his sunnah and the sunnah/model of the khulafaa(khalifa) rashideen after him, that among them is Uthman Radiya Allahou anhou(whom Allah is pleased/agreed with him).
and as it remained in the time of sayidna Ali ibn abi talib after Uthman and all the ummah till our moment.. and as the majority of muslims will not gather on a Dalala(astrayed/lost). that is why we should keep it. (and the reason of making a second azan as I heard it was because the number of muslims was increased in number in his time, so they needed a second azan before the imam start the speech.)
al Salaamou alaikum
@inclined2truth,beloved I read all of your post about the mujahirs that made hijra for the sake of Allah and fought may Allah reward them for their sacrafice, Ameen. But I explained my position when I told you about the sura you used, 3:110. I'm not refuting any of it but I pointedout the fact we must not negate, ma'shallah. What I want to discuss with you now is the ayah and hadith you used. Beloved I'm well aquainted with both, and to be honest I was waiting for you to use them. With that said lets deal with the ayah inshallah. First lets state the fact that the ayah does not say anything about what they innovated being good. Allah azza wal jall speaks about their intentions but thats it. You cannot interject a bidah into what Allah has sent down as I will show inshallah. " But the Monasticism which they invented for themselves,We did not prescribe, but they did to only please Allah therewith." (57:27) Now here Allah is telling us what those who did that which was not prescribed by Allah intentions was. Now what does it mean, "not prescribed?" It means that Isa AS didn't do it or told them to do it. This point must be made clear they had the same obligation as we do and that is to follow the itteebah of the Rasul saws. Next Allah states: " but they did not observe it with the right observance." (57:27) Now beloved how did they not observe this bidah that was only done to please Allah with the right observance? FIrst and foremost isa AS had showed them how to be in the world but not be of it. So the correct observance is to do what Isa AS left as a example, this is the only correct observance. Not the bidah that is not a part of the injeel or his sunnah, as you are suggesting. Next Allah states: " So We gave those of them who believed their due reward." (57:27) . Now belived why was they rewarded? Was it for the bidah, this is what you are suggesting. But Allah said they were rewarded because they believed, believed what beloved? They believed in the ITTABAUUWHU meaning as the quran states, "and we ordained in the hearts of those who ittabauuhu followed him , compassion and mercy." So the compassion and mercy was given to those who followed him meaning the injeel and his sunnah. So where does it state that the bidah that was not prescribed is a good bidah? On the contrary the quran states, but many of them are fasiqun (rebellious disobedient to Allah)." (52:27) What would make them fasiq beloved, if what they did was a good innovation accepted by Allah, their aqeedah rested on the ittabauuhu of Isa AS not thier own qiyas and when they did what was not prescribed from Allah for the example for them is Isa AS, nothing else or no one else can intervene in what Allah has been sent down. Now for the hadith this ayah proves one cannot introduce something into the deen because they feel it is good it must be prescribed, if it is not than it is being fasiq to the itteebah of the example sent, this makes such a person or persons fasiq. I reject your proof and I beg you not to use it, for what you have used it for is not the haqq. May Allah guide you. Salaam
Al salaamou alaikum brother yaqin, I ask Allah to let the truth appear from this discussion whether from your keyboard or mine. this is the goal of both of us, elhamdoulellah! and may Allah let us be from the ones who listen to the sayings/speeches so they follow the best of it.. and may he show us the truth as truth and provide us following it. and I start by elhamdoulellah and sending salah and salaam upon rasoulellah, and after that;
"Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed [them] with Jesus, the son of Mary, and gave him the Gospel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion(Ra2fah) and mercy(ra7mah) and monasticism(Rahbaneyah), which they innovated(did as bid3a); We did not prescribe it for them except [that they did so] seeking the approval of Allāh. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient."(57:27)
we notice that; 1) Allah placed in the hearts of Jesus' followers compassion and mercy. 2)they innovated(did bid3a) the Rahbaneya. Allah did not prescribe it for them but they did it for seeking Allah's Redwan/agreeing/approval with them. 3) but the problem is not with the bid3a itself.. but the problem is with that some of them did not observe it with the observance that it deserve(they did not treat with it as it should be done)(they did not take care of it as should be).. 4) So Allah rewarded the believers among them their reward, while many of them(the majority) were fasiq-oon/disobedient.
the real followers of Isa/Jesus were fought and killed by the kings at that time.. so they decided to live far from the city in the mountains away from the kings, and that is what they innovated. (to disconnect from this world until the seal of prophets/Muhammad comes and follow him). they did it seeking Allah's Redwan/agreeing. (Rahbaneya have two meanings; 1.fear 2.isolate from worldly affairs/pleasures.. like living in the mountains, and eat drink few, or non marriage..etc)
but some of them did not treat well/properly with that good Bid3a/innovation of Rahbaneya to please Allah, which is not good.. as we were told that some Rohban/priests from Rahbaneya were doing that seeking the money and authority and not to please Allah. as in the verse (9:34) "O you who have believed, indeed many of the A7bar/scholars and the Rohban/monks devour the wealth of people unjustly and avert [them] from the way of Allāh. And those who hoard gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allāh – give them tidings of a painful punishment."
I made bold on "MANY" because it suit with the our verse (57:27) when Allah sealed the verse saying (the meaning) of "MOST/MANY of them were disobedient".. not all of them. because in another verse mentioning the Rohban/monks/scholars with good as in (5:82) "You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and those who associate others with Allāh; and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, "We are Christians." That is because among them are priests/Qisseess and monks/Rohban and because they are not arrogant."
it used the word "among them" because few were good while many/most of them were disobedient. So the problem is not with what they innovated, but in not practicing it properly.
and Allah knows better!
@inclined2truth Beloved I informed you that I was well informed with this verse, so you reiterating it to me is moot, but I noticed that in your transliteration you use the word except instead of but, which would be the better word coming from the arabia. Now you have not shown with baseerah crystal clear proof that Allah accepted this bidah and deemed it good. What you have done is repeat basically what you stated before when you presented this ayah. You say it was not the bidah that brought about the wrong observance and this is wrong. You claim that isa AS followers were being persecuted so they went to live this lifestyle which was not prescribed. Beloved the true followers of Isa would have never resorted to the tactics you speak about. They were taught to rely on Allah by Isa AS read the so called gospel of Matthew 10:1-30, they were taught to go out without money or food or change of clothes. Brother you have your facts twisted, the Christians you are talking about being persecuted by the Romans was followers of Paul, for he innovated into the teachings of Isa AS which layed the foundation to christianity in the Nicene council in 325 A.D. by constantine and from this meeting came the christain decree, meaning the monk life, taking of money from the people for prayers and so forth. The true followers of Isa AS went out and did as he done called to the way for this was what was prescribed for them to do nothing else.they were to endure any hardship while on this path. Do you know that some Isrealites and that was what Isa AS was, seperated themselves from the tribes and the tabernacle do to the corrupted preisthood of Onias brother Jason and Hellenism? Before Isa AS was born, the ones which had done this was called the essene and isa AS was one before he started his calling to the tribes of isreal to forsake hellenism and return to the law, this is the only people he was sent to. The christians you speak about were gentiles. The essene living was not perscribed to his followers even though isa AS had lived it, so again as I have shown you that among them doesn't mean those who lived there it is talking about the so called followers of Isa, which breaks into two catergories those who followed the iteebah and those who did not. Those who did recieved their due reward and the rest was fasiq do to their innovative practices which was not perscribed. Beloved seeking wealth is an innovation on the itteebah of Isa AS, so every reason you give of their doing is an innovation so how could you say in the same breath the problem was not what they innovated, the problem is not practicing it properly. I seek refuge with Allah from this statement. How does one practice an innovation not prescribed properly? Where does the example come from, their own qiyas? The first to use qiyas was the shaytan, so this is not a good trait. The problem is and was the bidah there is noway to properly practice an innovation for bidah is misguidance meaning it was not odered by Allah to do it. This is a problem for misguidance will reside in the fire every last one of them. The Rasul did not say all exccept the good ones, he said all. That leaves no room brother. Now there is a hadith reported by abu Huriah that the Rasul went looking for Bilal and asked him, what is this you are doing that I see your footprints going into paradise before mine. Bilal replyed, O Rasul all I can think of is that I offer two Rakats everytime after I offer wudu." Is this a bidah? No, for we can offer nawfil salah anytime we want. Now if I tell someone you must do this then it becomes an innovation. I see in your comment you used 9:31, beloved when you have an understanding that the Rabbis and monks are not only two different entities,meaning, the Rabbis are the among the childrend of isreal, which Isa was and no one can refute that fact, and the monks are of the Christian movement implemented first by Paul and made the offcial religion of the gentiles by Constantine in 325A.D. which Isa AS was not and The book of Acts confirms that Isa was not a Christian it states, The diciples were FIRSTcalled christian in Antioch. (Acts11:26). This was after isa had left the seen.now if you are saying that accepting them as their Lord above Allah is an innovation I agree and it is shirk and it is a wrong observance and so is going against the itteebah of Isa AS and so is going against the itteebah of the Rasul saws. I still reject your claim that this ayah condones innovation. Also beloved, rabbis are not monk's, rabbis are teachers of the laws of Musa AS, and monks are teachers of the hellenistic concept of Jesus Christ the Greco Roman Fabrication sir named christianity, inwhich they do not follow the itteebah of Isa AS so they are Ahlul bidah, the people of innovation.salaam