Can someone explain sura 53:19-20 ? Sura 53:19-20 instructs Muslims to worship the daughters of the moon god , Allah . The moon god Allah , was married to Allat, the sun goddess. They had three daughters, Al-lat, Al-uzza and the third Manat. So does this verses still exist in the Quran today? I just googled this and read about this but most Muslims claim google is evil and tells lies about Islam. So where can I find a real Quran and read about the daughters of the moon god in sura 53:19-20?

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what are you talking about we dont belive in the satanic verses or belive in the sun god and moon god we say it every day "the only god is Allah and muhammad is his messenger" the verses say (and i know arabic) have you thought of al-lat and al-uzzah, these were popular godesses worshipped by the people of jahiliya or ignorance not the muslims and this verse is saying have you ever thought of the rationality of worshipping such things, not to worship them, these were given as an example because the people of the tribe that worshipped these people were the same people talked about in surat al feel they are the army that tried to destroy the kaabah and allah is asking have they ever consired the rationallity of worshipping al-lat and al-uzzah, what about the third one manat and you left out the ayah right afterwards it says, shall you have the male issues and he the female issues, which means the male of these tribes see women as an issue making them an issue themselves and he the female issues mean the female you see as an issue is "he" or the lord. Allah is pointing out that in this tribe they used to kill women because they are seen as a disgrace and yet the same people they bury alive they have made their idols in shapes of them. this is why its best to read it in arabic if you want a good islamic website that has a close meaning to the true this you can click here and yes they are still in the quran all qurans everywhere are the same as when they were created we are not ashamed of such verse nor do we erase things we feel people might misunderstand because if somone has profound knowledge of the quran they would understand what is said and even if others do not understand we will not take somthing of allah word that is good just because others precive it as bad as the chritians did with the bible over the years when they "translated it"

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READ THE WHOLE BOOK-- At least when you comment about a certain verse read that chapter. If You read it you'll know who God was taking about?, you'll know God is asking the Why do you chose to worship Hand Made Idols rather than the all Mighty Creator. God does not need us we need him and we awe to him for giving us life to thank God only him, and believe his words, there is no doubt in any word in the Quran. Allah (God) challenges us to try, it is unfortunate you do not understand Arabic to appreciate the word of God the way he sent it down to us, which why no matter what language you speak we recite at least a few versus in Arabic. Islam has many branches as do all religion, the 31 in Islam is sunni, but no matter what branch you belong to they all use 1 book this is unity, that has been saved and preserved for over 1400 years, and encouraged to memorize. this is the Chapter Al-Najim 1. By the star when it goes down, (or vanishes).

  1. Your companion (Muhammad ) has neither gone astray nor has erred.

  2. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.

  3. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.

  4. He has been taught (this Qur'an) by one mighty in power [Jibrael (Gabriel)].

  5. Dhu Mirrah (free from any defect in body and mind), Fastawa [then he (Jibrael - Gabriel) rose and became stable]. [Tafsir At-Tabari].

  6. While he [Jibrael (Gabriel)] was in the highest part of the horizon,

  7. Then he [Jibrael (Gabriel)] approached and came closer,

  8. And was at a distance of two bows' length or (even) nearer,

  9. So did (Allah) convey the Inspiration to His slave [Muhammad through Jibrael (Gabriel)].

  10. The (Prophet's) heart lied not (in seeing) what he (Muhammad ) saw.

  11. Will you then dispute with him (Muhammad ) about what he saw [during the Mi'raj: (Ascent of the Prophet over the seven heavens)] .

  12. And indeed he (Muhammad ) saw him [Jibrael (Gabriel)] at a second descent (i.e. another time).

  13. Near Sidrat-ul-Muntaha [lote-tree of the utmost boundary (beyond which none can pass)],

  14. Near it is the Paradise of Abode.

  15. When that covered the lote-tree which did cover it!

  16. The sight (of Prophet Muhammad ) turned not aside (right or left), nor it transgressed beyond (the) limit (ordained for it).

  17. Indeed he (Muhammad ) did see, of the Greatest Signs, of his Lord (Allah).

  18. Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-'Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs before Islam)

  19. And Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?

  20. Is it for you the males and for Him the females?

  21. That indeed is a division most unfair!

  22. They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!

  23. Or shall man have what he wishes?

  24. But to Allah belongs the last (Hereafter) and the first (the world).

  25. And there are many angels in the heavens, whose intercession will avail nothing except after Allah has given leave for whom He wills and pleases.

  26. Verily, those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.

  27. While they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and verily, guess is no substitute for the truth.

  28. Therefore withdraw (O Muhammad ) from him who turns away from Our Reminder (this Qur'an) and desires nothing but the life of this world.

  29. That is what they could reach of knowledge. Verily, your Lord it is He Who knows best him who goes astray from His Path, and He knows best him who receives guidance.

  30. And to Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, that He may requite those who do evil with that which they have done (i.e. punish them in Hell), and reward those who do good, with what is best (i.e. Paradise).

  31. Those who avoid great sins (see the Qur'an, Verses: 6:152,153) and Al-Fawahish (illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) except the small faults, verily, your Lord is of vast forgiveness. He knows you well when He created you from the earth (Adam), and when you were fetuses in your mothers' wombs. So ascribe not purity to yourselves. He knows best him who fears Allah and keep his duty to Him [i.e. those who are Al-Muttaqun (pious - see V.2:2)].

  32. Did you (O Muhammad ) observe him who turned away (from Islam).

  33. And gave a little, then stopped (giving)?

  34. Is with him the knowledge of the unseen so that he sees?

  35. Or is he not informed with what is in the Pages (Scripture) of Musa (Moses),

  36. And of Ibrahim (Abraham) who fulfilled (or conveyed) all that (what Allah ordered him to do or convey),

  37. That no burdened person (with sins) shall bear the burden (sins) of another.

  38. And that man can have nothing but what he does (good or bad) ,

  39. And that his deeds will be seen,

  40. Then he will be recompensed with a full and the best recompense

  41. And that to your Lord (Allah) is the End (Return of everything).

  42. And that it is He (Allah) Who makes (whom He wills) laugh, and makes (whom He wills) weep;

  43. And that it is He (Allah) Who causes death and gives life;

  44. And that He (Allah) creates the pairs, male and female,

  45. From Nutfah (drops of semen male and female discharges) when it is emitted;

  46. And that upon Him (Allah) is another bringing forth (Resurrection);

  47. And that it is He (Allah) Who gives much or a little (or gives wealth and contentment),

  48. And that He (Allah) is the Lord of Sirius (the star which the pagan Arabs used to worship);

  49. And that it is He (Allah) Who destroyed the former 'Ad (people),

  50. And Thamud (people). He spared none of them.

  51. And the people of Nuh (Noah) aforetime, verily, they were more unjust and more rebellious and transgressing [in disobeying Allah and His Messenger Nuh (Noah)].

  52. And He destroyed the overthrown cities [of Sodom to which Prophet Lout (Lot) was sent].

  53. So there covered them that which did cover (i.e. torment with stones).

  54. Then which of the Graces of your Lord (O man!) will you doubt.

  55. This (Muhammad ) is a warner (Messenger) of the (series of) warners (Messengers) of old .

  56. The Day of Resurrection draws near,

  57. None besides Allah can avert it, (or advance it, or delay it).

  58. Do you then wonder at this recital (the Qur'an)?

  59. And you laugh at it and weep not,

  60. Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing, etc.).

  61. So fall you down in prostration to Allah, and worship Him (Alone).

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answered 62 muslimah's gravatar image

READ THE WHOLE BOOK-- At least when you comment about a certain verse read that chapter. If You read it you'll know who God was taking about?, you'll know God is asking the Why do you chose to worship Hand Made Idols rather than the all Mighty Creator. God does not need us we need him and we awe to him for giving us life to thank God only him, and believe his words, there is no doubt in any word in the Quran. Allah (God) challenges us to try, it is unfortunate you do not understand Arabic to appreciate the word of God the way he sent it down to us, which why no matter what language you speak we recite at least a few versus in Arabic. Islam has many branches as do all religion, the 31 in Islam is sunni, but no matter what branch you belong to they all use 1 book this is unity, that has been saved and preserved for over 1400 years, and encouraged to memorize. this is the Chapter Al-Najim 1. By the star when it goes down, (or vanishes).

  1. Your companion (Muhammad ) has neither gone astray nor has erred.

  2. Nor does he speak of (his own) desire.

  3. It is only an Inspiration that is inspired.

  4. He has been taught (this Qur'an) by one mighty in power [Jibrael (Gabriel)].

  5. Dhu Mirrah (free from any defect in body and mind), Fastawa [then he (Jibrael - Gabriel) rose and became stable]. [Tafsir At-Tabari].

  6. While he [Jibrael (Gabriel)] was in the highest part of the horizon,

  7. Then he [Jibrael (Gabriel)] approached and came closer,

  8. And was at a distance of two bows' length or (even) nearer,

  9. So did (Allah) convey the Inspiration to His slave [Muhammad through Jibrael (Gabriel)].

  10. The (Prophet's) heart lied not (in seeing) what he (Muhammad ) saw.

  11. Will you then dispute with him (Muhammad ) about what he saw [during the Mi'raj: (Ascent of the Prophet over the seven heavens)] .

  12. And indeed he (Muhammad ) saw him [Jibrael (Gabriel)] at a second descent (i.e. another time).

  13. Near Sidrat-ul-Muntaha [lote-tree of the utmost boundary (beyond which none can pass)],

  14. Near it is the Paradise of Abode.

  15. When that covered the lote-tree which did cover it!

  16. The sight (of Prophet Muhammad ) turned not aside (right or left), nor it transgressed beyond (the) limit (ordained for it).

  17. Indeed he (Muhammad ) did see, of the Greatest Signs, of his Lord (Allah).

  18. Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-'Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs before Islam)

  19. And Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?

  20. Is it for you the males and for Him the females?

  21. That indeed is a division most unfair!

  22. They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!

  23. Or shall man have what he wishes?

  24. But to Allah belongs the last (Hereafter) and the first (the world).

  25. And there are many angels in the heavens, whose intercession will avail nothing except after Allah has given leave for whom He wills and pleases.

  26. Verily, those who believe not in the Hereafter, name the angels with female names.

  27. While they have no knowledge thereof. They follow but a guess, and verily, guess is no substitute for the truth.

  28. Therefore withdraw (O Muhammad ) from him who turns away from Our Reminder (this Qur'an) and desires nothing but the life of this world.

  29. That is what they could reach of knowledge. Verily, your Lord it is He Who knows best him who goes astray from His Path, and He knows best him who receives guidance.

  30. And to Allah belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth, that He may requite those who do evil with that which they have done (i.e. punish them in Hell), and reward those who do good, with what is best (i.e. Paradise).

  31. Those who avoid great sins (see the Qur'an, Verses: 6:152,153) and Al-Fawahish (illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) except the small faults, verily, your Lord is of vast forgiveness. He knows you well when He created you from the earth (Adam), and when you were fetuses in your mothers' wombs. So ascribe not purity to yourselves. He knows best him who fears Allah and keep his duty to Him [i.e. those who are Al-Muttaqun (pious - see V.2:2)].

  32. Did you (O Muhammad ) observe him who turned away (from Islam).

  33. And gave a little, then stopped (giving)?

  34. Is with him the knowledge of the unseen so that he sees?

  35. Or is he not informed with what is in the Pages (Scripture) of Musa (Moses),

  36. And of Ibrahim (Abraham) who fulfilled (or conveyed) all that (what Allah ordered him to do or convey),

  37. That no burdened person (with sins) shall bear the burden (sins) of another.

  38. And that man can have nothing but what he does (good or bad) ,

  39. And that his deeds will be seen,

  40. Then he will be recompensed with a full and the best recompense

  41. And that to your Lord (Allah) is the End (Return of everything).

  42. And that it is He (Allah) Who makes (whom He wills) laugh, and makes (whom He wills) weep;

  43. And that it is He (Allah) Who causes death and gives life;

  44. And that He (Allah) creates the pairs, male and female,

  45. From Nutfah (drops of semen male and female discharges) when it is emitted;

  46. And that upon Him (Allah) is another bringing forth (Resurrection);

  47. And that it is He (Allah) Who gives much or a little (or gives wealth and contentment),

  48. And that He (Allah) is the Lord of Sirius (the star which the pagan Arabs used to worship);

  49. And that it is He (Allah) Who destroyed the former 'Ad (people),

  50. And Thamud (people). He spared none of them.

  51. And the people of Nuh (Noah) aforetime, verily, they were more unjust and more rebellious and transgressing [in disobeying Allah and His Messenger Nuh (Noah)].

  52. And He destroyed the overthrown cities [of Sodom to which Prophet Lout (Lot) was sent].

  53. So there covered them that which did cover (i.e. torment with stones).

  54. Then which of the Graces of your Lord (O man!) will you doubt.

  55. This (Muhammad ) is a warner (Messenger) of the (series of) warners (Messengers) of old .

  56. The Day of Resurrection draws near,

  57. None besides Allah can avert it, (or advance it, or delay it).

  58. Do you then wonder at this recital (the Qur'an)?

  59. And you laugh at it and weep not,

  60. Wasting your (precious) lifetime in pastime and amusements (singing, etc.).

  61. So fall you down in prostration to Allah, and worship Him (Alone).

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confusedsoul:

I am not talking about anything conjectural here. I am talking about the thousands of physical manuscripts of the Qur'an from the first few centuries of Islam, which are to be found in museums all over the world. Admittedly, there are probably hundreds of thousands of such manuscripts, most of them not having been categorized and displayed yet. But out of the thousands that are on display or have been studied and/or published, there is not one that contains anything of these so-called "Satanic verses".

The idea of a verse praising al-Lat or al-Uzza simply does not fit in with the rest of the verse in which it was supposed to have occurred. As I said, this is common sense. Imagine if you and your friends forsook your family and riches in order to follow a man who was saying that there is only One God. Next week, if he suddenly decided that there are multiple gods, what would that do to your faith? What would that do to the credibility of that preacher/prophet? In fact, what exactly would make his message any different from the message of the pagans? They believe in multiple gods, and he believes in multiple gods. What exactly would be the difference? Islam would cease to exist as a separate monotheistic movement.

The Prophet got his message straight, as attested to by HUNDREDS of his disciples who have testified to that through hundreds of thousands of hadiths. There is not one single hadith that speaks of the Prophet Muhammad preaching anything other than monotheism. You have hundreds of thousands of hadiths to work with, but you will not be able to find one that substantiates this story. This story is from Seerah literature which came much later and which lacked the necessary isnaad (verifiable and trustworthy chain of transmission) which could give it any real credibility. Now from a Christian perspective, hey, it's as good as any gospel. But from the perspective of Muslims, we do not base any belief on hearsay or unsubstantiated reports.

Get this straight. It is not about harmonizing things or only accepting what concurs with my belief system. No. Tabari could have reported something exceedingly positive and impressive about the Prophet, but if it lacks the proper isnaad, we will reject it. Had Tabari narrated that the Prophet Muhammad stayed awake for 30 days and nights consecutively in worship of God, we would still ask the same questions:

  • Why is it not reported in the Qur'an?
  • Why is it not reported by any of the Prophet's hundred disciples via the verifiable hadiths with isnaads?
  • If Tabari did not get this information from the Qur'an or the hadiths, where did he get it from? What is his independently-provided isnaad for this particular narration? Is there any?

So if anything, we are the ones who avoid basing our beliefs on simple conjecture.

By the way, everything that you allege about the Prophet Muhammad is exactly what the Jews accused Jesus of. Do not think that this is new, or that the Prophet Muhammad is any different in this regard. It is the same pattern of disbelief and rejection that faces any bona fide Prophet of God.

  • the opponents of Jesus accused him of being worldly and carnal-minded; he was accused of being gluttonous and a wine-drinker (two specific accusations that were never made against the Prophet Muhammad, actually)-- see Matthew 11:19

  • here's what some of the Jews said to Jesus: "Now we know that you have a devil!" -- see John 8:52

  • they also said of Jesus, "He has a demon, and he is mad" -- see John 10:20

This fits into the prophetic pattern perfectly-- ie. that the Prophet Muhammad should likewise be charged by his opponents of being devil-possessed and mad. It is exactly-- word-for-word-- what was said about the previous prophets, including Jesus (peace be upon him). The Jews missed the boat with Jesus; you missed the boat with Muhammad. Peace be upon them both.

If it was as simple as "Common sense goes a long way which is why I am not a Muslim", I don't think you would be here. I think you are missing something, you are searching for something, and you are fascinated (if not obsessed) with Islam, the Qur'an, and the Prophet Muhammad. I would not, for example, spend a single minute of my time on a Freemason or Illuminati discussion chat room, trying to persuade these guys that they are wrong, that they are fools for believing what they believe, and that my belief system and worldview have a better grounding in reality than theirs. The reason I don't do that is because I don't think their worldview even qualifies for being taken seriously, and hence I do not waste any of my time on them.

By the way, I'm doing well, thanks for asking. I disappear sometimes, but rest assured, I will continue to come back so long as you are here, God willing.

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mellowone:

This is what I'm talking about. What do you mean by "actual answers of validity"? Which of your answers did I not respond to properly? Quite the opposite-- you have not responded to my responses.

Still waiting on you to comment on Qur'an 41:37.

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@ anwarx - that was a great answer and response , thanks .

(Apr 07 '12 at 13:59) mellowone mellowone's gravatar image

@ anwarx - Then by all means do so . Perhaps then , I can get some actual answers of validity . Now , also let me tell you that I do not troll around on the computer looking for some "wise crack" to say or ask . I don't have time for that kinda garbage . I may have come across a particular question that was something that I too have interest in , and was worded better than I could have .. So What ! What difference does it make ?? Either you can answer a particular question or you can't . Simple as that . Don't try and dictate me at all . It wont work . And for your information , I Am Not an "evangelical christian" so chill with the corny and false accusations dude ...

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mellowone: Because cutting & pasting wholesale is typical troll behaviour and it displays a lack of creative thought on the part of the person doing it. It also requires the person responding to address the contents of an entire essay, contents which you may or may not have reviewed and understood yourself.

If you prefer an artificial back-and-forth, then go ahead and continue cutting & pasting. But be warned: I will be cutting & pasting equally lengthy responses from Islamic websites that not only respond to "your" points but will also be addressing the same issues in the Bible.

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mellowone: Now here is the question for you. Out of hundreds of thousands of extant manuscripts of the Qur'an from the first few centuries after Hijra, can you actually produce a single one that contains these so-called "Satanic verses". In other words, do you have any physical evidence for your claims?

You are welcome to cut & paste as much as you want in responding to this question. Please, however, try to stick to answering this one simple question.

Thanks.

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The creator in his wisdom unquestionably the greatest sent his word via one of his angels to be related to us humans in a very special way He chose a man who did not know how to read nor write This man was made to utter the very words placed upon his tongue The tongue is undoutedly our greatest instrument of direct communication This man was also a unique character who not only spoke the word but by devine intervention he had the ability to live his life by every chord and code from his utterance while remaining human in every way So allah swt gave Mankind this beautiful code of conduct not only by word but also by the living example of and from our own kind That human being was muhammad sas who Allah swt said was his final messenger So when we are contemplating the word of allah which in book form is the Quran or discussing his prophet sas we should do so with utmost admiration and respect for our own respect and success lies herein.

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confusedsoul:

I am going to make this simple. There are hundreds of thousands of Qur'anic manuscripts from the first few centuries of Islam, including even from the first century of Islam. Are there ANY manuscripts that contain verses that praise al-Lat and al-Uzza? If not, then the whole story (no matter who it is reported by) remains conjecture without any evidence.

The entire call of Islam was based on monotheism and rejection of the pagan gods. Had the Prophet Muhammad "compromised" and suddenly praised three goddesses of the pagan Arabs, he would have forever lost credibility among his followers (who had forsaken the pagan gods in favour of Muhammad's message of One God) and his movement would have ceased to exist.

A bit of common sense goes a long way.

mellowone: please stop cutting and pasting.

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@ anwarx - why ?

(Apr 07 '12 at 03:40) mellowone mellowone's gravatar image

because u obviously think u can out smart Muslims but, u FAIL. In-fact ur ignorance is the reason why people search for Islam to find the truth, to educate themselves from false claims by non-Muslims who are uneducated and egocentric "mr. thinks-he-knows-it-all". I think maybe part of will never dare to speak to a Muslim or visit a Mosque because ur afraid u might find all ur answers you neede or never knew u neede.

(Apr 16 '12 at 03:10) muslimah muslimah's gravatar image

If people said more positive things people will see the PEACE Islam and u can't find anyone to blame for ur problems. May God help Guide everyone (whether it is to Islam or any religion), because in Islam unlike other religions we believe God give equal fair trial to enter Paradise, it just depends on our accomplishes for the better, Islam means peace, obedience and submission to God. Muslim means to surrender to God, which means anyone devoted to God is a Muslim.

(Apr 16 '12 at 03:10) muslimah muslimah's gravatar image

this is site to educate, I hope u have find peace?

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