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my koran's footnotes claim that omar suspended the cutting off hands for theft during the famine. is this innovation? does the hadiths or the koran ever mention anything about "bending" the rules?

asked (suspended) mikejm3's gravatar image

I think it is correct because I heard it somewhere in Quran too.

(Nov 21 '13 at 13:36) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

Here is a link mike which will help you answer your question.

When you have your answer then please close your post

answered 63628 Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image
edited Nov 21 '13 at 13:52

bibi, that's confusing. your first answer makes sense. cutting the hand off a person who has already shown a propensity of not wanting to work makes no sense. especially in a time when physical labor was the most common way to provide for yourself and your family.

but then the second link on your second answer, (first link didn't open for me) comes right out of the gate with cutting off hands? smh

[5.38] And (as for) the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands as a punishment for what they have earned, an exemplary punishment from Allah; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.

(Nov 21 '13 at 14:08) mikejm3 mikejm3's gravatar image

Mike those question has been answered by a Muslim priest (imam) so I can't say anything else

(Nov 21 '13 at 14:11) Bibi Amina ♦ Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

who is this iman? i like his fiqh. is s/he claiming misinterpretation in 5:38? that it shouldn't say "cut OFF"? good to hear somebody isn't stuck in the 7th century. good luck to him and his bidah.

btw, that's not really my question.

(Nov 21 '13 at 14:19) mikejm3 mikejm3's gravatar image

Yes mike as far as I understand thus is bidah. Glad to see your grasping the concept in which most Muslims can't see themselves. My beloved sister bibi just because an Imam says its Does Not mean you can't challenge it. For that is precisely why Allah t3ala gave us the glorious book. So that we can refute those in error. And hold firm to the rope of Allah. Alhamdulillahee Rabi Elle 3alamin. Salaam

(Nov 21 '13 at 14:40) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

yeah i get the concept of bidah. it's just a really, really, really, bad concept. it's why some muslims are stuck in the 7th century. and why some of us kaffir fear your propagation in the western world. we are trying to move away from torture and draconian law. peace.

ps, what do their 3s mean in yout transliterated arabic?

(Nov 22 '13 at 11:16) mikejm3 mikejm3's gravatar image

Its the a sound in the word Bad. You should be well familiar with the word. So when I say Asalaamu 3Alaykum . Asalaamu is the A sound as in Tall. Hope that helps. Being stuck in a time where people strived to do what was best is the way to go. Mike sometimes I worry about you. Have they put the chip in ya yet?.

(Nov 22 '13 at 20:49) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

so it's bad-a-lay-kum? ok.

they tried but it shorted out, melted.

not sure what chip you are referencing? a tracking chip? the "mark of the beast", it shall be on their foreheads and their right hands? or is that like a stepford wives referance, that i'm a robot in my following them down the lizzard hole? all interesting but offbase.

don't worry about me. i'll be just fine, even despite yaqin's curse. you know what billy joel said....

(Nov 23 '13 at 10:39) mikejm3 mikejm3's gravatar image
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the punishment for theft according to the Most Merciful is to mark or make a wound in the hand of the offender so that he would be shamed in front of the people.

God, the Most Merciful, would not decree any person to be punished for the sins of another (6:164). Severing the hand of the thief would deprive him of his livelihood. As a result, his family and dependants would experience hardship for no fault of theirs! God’s law is fair and God’s wisdom is unequalled. Applying the correct punishment for theft would give the offender the opportunity to repent and reform, and then he would be able to resume normal life after the cut in his hand heals. On the other hand, severing the hand would be a terminal punishment that cannot be reversed should the offender genuinely wish to repent and reform.

In addition, God gives us in the very next verse (5:39) conclusive evidence for the correct meaning of the punishment for theft. In 5:39 God says that He will ‘yatoob’ (redeem) all those who repent and reform. There is no exception given in 5:39 and thus it includes those who have committed theft. The meaning of the word ‘yatoob’ means to forgive and restore to previous state. Needless to say, a person with a severed arm can never be restored to his previous state since he will be carrying the punishment of his crime till his dying day. Those who insist on claiming that the punishment of theft is to sever the hand are therefore those who reject God’s infinite mercy.

Indeed, God does prescribe a punishment for the thief, but being the Most Merciful, God would not deprive a sinner (thief) from the ability to earn his living (if his hands were severed). Any other sinner continues to earn a living, so why should the one who committed theft be singled out among all sinners for this life long punishemt? Moreover, if a thief steals a thousand dollars from you, and they cut his hand, what do you get? The Quran solves this problem, as well as the problems associated with the criminal justice systems prevalent in today's world.

Equivalence is the Law in the Quran (2:178-179). According to the Quranic criminal justice, the thief who is convicted of stealing a thousand dollars from you must work for you until you are fully paid for the thousand dollars you lost, plus any other damage and inconvenience the theft may have caused you. At the same time, the thief's innocent wife and children are not deprived of their man.

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