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nothing, yet?

(Dec 06 '13 at 14:53) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Why don't you answer being you all all the sense. Oh excuse me I mean non sense. Hah! Watch out im on a roll.

(Dec 06 '13 at 15:44) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

smh on that one? all all the non sense.

but i can give you an "UN"islamic answer. NO.

if you like i can elaborate why. or do you feel another slip of the finger coming on?

(Dec 06 '13 at 15:55) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

My friend, it being an entire muslim nation, statues are forbidden, concluding the afghanis were right on it's destruction, if you had a mosque in your neighborhood, and it's been built 500 years ago, and nobody goes to it. most likely you would start a petition to destroy it. Anyways what are you trying to accomplish here? You should not be on a website to make damaging remarks about your hatred towards Islam, I know you're trying to do so, there are people in my school who hate me for my religion and they make the same comments trying to upset me, they're too scared to say it to my face.

(Apr 30 at 17:35) Muhammad noor qutawna Muhammad%20noor%20qutawna's gravatar image

there is one jew left in kabul. sorry got to go...hopefully tomorrow? but dude anything over 200 years old in america would be on the historical register

(Apr 30 at 17:43) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Okay have a wonderful day friend

(Apr 30 at 17:54) Muhammad noor qutawna Muhammad%20noor%20qutawna's gravatar image

mnq, first i don't hate islam. i just don't like it. but don't get your panties in a bunch and take it too personally, i don't like any religions. anything i say to you now, i would most certainly say to your face. i'm not trying to upset you. it's on you how you react to someone elses words. in america we have freedom of speech. and if there are very old relics, even if the people you used to worship at them are no longer here, we try to preserve them. native american tribal things get uncovered from time to time. there was a high rise going up in miami in the 90s and they dug up some ritual

(May 01 at 10:44) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

site of a tribe (pre-christain pagans no doubt) that no longer exists. they stopped construction and brought in archaeologist to catalog it and try to preserve and move as much as they could. couldn't leave it were it was, middle of downtown. but my understanding is these buddhas were in a mountainside and in no one's way. didn't here anything about the taliban need to destroy them to build a subway or train tunnel through the mountain. you speak of hate. is this not an example of the hatred islam shows of other religions.

(May 01 at 10:50) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image
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This is what the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) did when he entered Mecca (after the conquest) he destroyed the statues that were present, about 300 idols were there. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) wasn't the only one that destroyed idols, Prophet Ibrahim did too.

Ibrahim left his father's house and abandoned his people and what they worshipped. He decide to do something about their state of disbelief, but did not reveal it. He knew that there was going to be a great celebration on the other bank of the river which would be attended by all the people. Ibrahim waited until the city was empty, then came out cautiously, directing his steps towards the temple. the streets leading to it were empty and the temple itself was deserted for the priests had also gone to the festival outside the city.

Ibrahim went there carrying a sharp axe. He looked at the stone and wood statues of the gods and at the food laid in front of them as offerings. He approached one of the statues and asked: "The food in front of you is getting cold. Why don't you eat?" the statue kept silent and rigid. Ibrahim asked all the other statues around him:"Will you not eat of the offering before you?" (37:91) He was mocking them for he knew they would not eat. He once again asked then: "What is the matter with you that you do not speak?" (37:92)

He then raised his axe and started smashing the false gods worshiped by the people. He destroyed them all except one on whose neck he hung the axe. After this his anger subsides and he felt at peace. He left the temple. He had fulfilled his vow to show his people a practical proof of their foolishness in worshiping something other than All.

So if our prophets destroyed the idols, then what the Taliban did were right. If it's true that they were actually idols, it's an obligation to destroy them as they are symbols of shirk (paganism), these idols are being worshiped besides the Allah the almighty.

answered 130318 omar's gravatar image

thank you. i like your story. so abraham mocked other people's beliefs. my kind of guy. i mock other people's beliefs too. it is fun and does relieve anger. you know i leave camel dung out ever night for the jinn, but their livestock never seem to eat it. what do you think is up with that? maybe i'm in a jinn free part of the world?

so do you actually believe in jinn? how about gog and magog?

i thought the number was 360?

but again, thank you for your honest.

(Dec 06 '13 at 18:35) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

I've also heard there was 360 idols but wasn't sure so that's why I said about 300.Yes I do believe in the Jinn and yes I do believe in Gog and Magog. There is a verse that speaks about them, They said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, indeed Gog and Magog are [great] corrupters in the land. So may we assign for you an expenditure that you might make between us and them a barrier?" [18:94]. There are also many verses that speak about the jinn, so why shouldn't I believe them?

(Dec 06 '13 at 19:28) omar omar's gravatar image

yes the two horned king building a wall. i saw sadie's video, and i had read that verse already. so gog and magog outnumber muslims 9 to 1? well there are 1.5 billion muslims. so there would be 13.5 billion members of gog and magog. what do they farm, what do they raise? and they are where? then you add all these jinn who have been around before man, who have families, you got to imaging there are billions of them? i just don't get where all the food supply is for these creatures.

(Dec 07 '13 at 10:13) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

or wait there is a hadith that says muhammad said 999 of 1000 people well be in the hellfire. but don't worry they will be made up of the people of gog and magog. so there is going to have to be alot more than 13 billion.

maybe the stone idols are eating very slowly and that is why food rots? think about it. if you can have invisable beings why can't the pagans?

ut oh, sympathy for the devil just came on the radio. could be a sign from allah? sadie speaking of the stones, what ever became of paul?

"pleased to met you, hope you guessed my name"

(Dec 07 '13 at 10:20) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Salam, I know a lots of things about Afghanistan. So the answer for your question is yes it the right of Taliban to destroy the Buddhas because at first place that afghani which are Muslim who made those Buddhas and right know they all decide to destroy them and those Buddhas are from history time so right know every afghani think that they are no place for those Buddhas in Afghanistan.

answered 63628 Bibi%20Amina's gravatar image

bibi, i greatly doubt your theory on concensus, seems how they are re-building them. so do you or omar or yaqin or anyone, think the pyramids should be destroyed?

(Dec 10 '13 at 11:40) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Why should the pyramids be destroyed? I don't think that they represent any religion. So why should it? The pyramid isn't also being obeyed, it's like a tourist destination, where people come often to visit and see the pyramid and maybe even go inside the pyramid, that's about it. No need to destroy the pyramids.

(Dec 10 '13 at 16:52) omar omar's gravatar image

i thought the pharohs considered themselves gods? are there not depictions of ra and iris and horis in them?

what are the sphinx?

yes they are tourist sites. in fact my parents went to see them a few years ago. don't you think 5,ooo year-old buddhas could have been tourist sights, or certainly developed into one.

(Dec 10 '13 at 17:00) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

what happened?

(Dec 11 '13 at 10:48) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Mike... You already know, now Please... I'm gona have to ask you to calm down...

(Apr 30 at 19:46) Muhammad noor qutawna Muhammad%20noor%20qutawna's gravatar image

not sure why you think i'm not calm? most people who know me say i'm quite lethargic. just taking a survey. lots of new people here since i asked this. have you not noticed yaqin bringing back 'allah vs god' and other questions? are you going to tell him to calm down? ;) ur funny dude. anyway, did you read below? so you would destroy the pyramids?

anyone know what happened to omar? does he still hate the shia?

and what happened to bibi? she worked so hard to get her number up and get her diamond.

(May 01 at 10:15) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image
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I don't think so, no.

answered 518 answerer's gravatar image

answerer, how you been? canoeing season is apon us.

(May 01 at 10:52) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Yes. The Taliban were right to destroy the Bhuddas. Palagomy is a sin, and so is being a troll who is on just to be an idiot.

answered 103 ravirizaei's gravatar image
edited Mar 08 at 20:28

mnq, looks like i have sinned?

(Apr 30 at 17:20) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image


Actually taliban might be wrong, so unfortunately I might have side with mike here. When I say they are wrong, I am making the assumption that the non-muslims are paying jizya for them to live in agreement. Since, the buddha people must be paying some sort of tax, then they are part of that state, in that case they are wrong (again this is an assumption).

This hadith will clarify:

The Prophet said: Beware! Whosoever oppresses a Muahid (i.e. Non-Muslim living in Muslim land with agreement) or snatches (any of) his rights or causes him pain which he cannot bear, or takes anything from him without his permission, Then “I WILL FIGHT AGAINST SUCH A (MUSLIM) ON THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT” [Sunnan Abu Dawud, Volume No. 3, Page No. 170, Hadith No. 3052]

And in the following hadith as well:

The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: To protect the rights (of non-Muslims) is amongst the primary duties of mine [Sunnan Baihaqi, Volume No. 8, Page No. 30]

The Kaabah is completely different story. It was built by Ibrahim and his son for solely worshipping Allah. So destruction of the idols became a necessity.

Sahih Al-Bukhari HadithHadith 5.584 Narrated byIbn Abbas When Allah's Apostle arrived in Mecca, he refused to enter the Ka'ba while there were idols in it. So he ordered that they be taken out. The pictures of the (Prophets) Abraham and Ishmael, holding arrows of divination in their hands, were carried out. The Prophet said, "May Allah ruin them (i.e. the infidels) for they knew very well that they (i.e. Abraham and Ishmael) never drew lots by these (divination arrows)." Then the Prophet entered the Ka'ba and said. "Allahu Akbar" in all its directions and came out and did not offer any prayer therein.

Take another example. We know there were Christian and Jews clans that had treaty with the Muslims but their places of worship were,not destroyed as they paid jizya .

Before placing any answer, one must understand and read the biography of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and different treatment according to individual circumstances.

Praise be to Allah!

answered 8638 abdul_wasay's gravatar image

wasway, what do you think about the statue of muhammad at the US supreme court building?

so non-muslims hae to pay an extra tax for being non-muslims in a muslim country?

(May 01 at 10:56) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

The real question is if it is actually an Islamic state? Does it follow Shariah law? By Shariah Law you are required to protect rights of non-muslims if they pay jizya. I am,not sure they pay jizya there but non-muslims must pay some sort of tax.

I don't know about US supreme court and its statues. Enlighten me.

(May 01 at 18:59) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

there is a frieze with many ancient law givers. moses, draco, confucius i think there is like 12 or 15 of them. and muhammad is there with the koran in one hand and the sword in the other i think. been a while since i read the wiki page on it. anyway some of the american muslims cry about it from time to time. sorry can't copy and paste links on this computer for some reason. just google muhmmad statue at supreme court. also there was one on a courthouse in new york but it was removed in 1955 (i think) because UN ambassadors from muslim country complained.

so if pagans wanted to erect a

(May 02 at 10:19) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

golden calf in mecca or medina it would be allowed? if people in egypt wanted to bring back the old gods, ra and isis etc, the egyptians would let them and add an extra tax on them? should everyone pay the same taxes in a just society. so sharia has a religion tax? so the egyptian copt who owns the convient by me is right. when the muslims came to egypt you had three choses, 1. convert 2. pay an extra tax 3. be killed.

he said that most the poor copts just converted.

(May 02 at 10:25) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Google what jizya yax is used for

(May 02 at 21:59) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

let me guess, military expenditures? i've had muslims, maybe from this website, tell me that the reason the non-muslims pay the extra tax is becuase they are under the protection of the muslims and are not obligated to fight for the common defense? is that what google will tell me? or is that what you wanted to say but didn't for some reason? or is it to feed the poor, like the zakat which is paid by the muslims? just a different name?

proplem with me googling something is i usually go to the wiki page. and then muslims complain that that is made up and not right. why can't you just tell me?

(May 03 at 10:53) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Jizya is on particular class of people amongst non-muslims living in a muslim state except these:

Slaves, women, children, the old, the sick,[1] monks, hermits and the poor,[2] were all exempt from the tax, unless any of them was independent and wealthy.

For this very reason Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) would fight against such a ruler who oppresses dhimmi.

(May 03 at 12:26) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

so enslaving people in islam is ok?

(May 05 at 10:30) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

i see isis imposing the jizya in iraq. looks like the christians don't want to pay so they are fleeing. it's pay up or die, right? the christians have been in mosul since 200 years before muhammad. by the will of allah, no more.

(Jul 22 at 11:54) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image
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yeah they did a good work, it was right to destroy it, thank you

answered 10 aziz3d's gravatar image

ok. good to know. should all statues be destroyed?

(May 05 at 10:28) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image
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