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Muslims are proud of the tawhid, the Oneness of God. They keep telling me, Muhammad was only a normal human being. But they don't practice that. They follow Muhammad as if he was on the same level as Allah. Because Allah doesn't have a beard, why should a Muslim have a similar beard like the prophet? He was just a normal human being! Or wasn't he? I'm afraid the Sunnah is shirk.

asked 106 Muhammad%20Had%20Doubts's gravatar image

Ur non muslim correct?

(Apr 22 at 10:16) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

That's right.

(Apr 22 at 16:39) Muhammad Had Doubts Muhammad%20Had%20Doubts's gravatar image

Let me deduce the points you forwarded:

  1. Muhammad (pbuh) is on same platform as Allah: no he is not. He is a human being and like a creation of Allah (swt) he died as well. He was given Quran upon which he himself acted and he showed us how to get closer to Allah. He is a benchmark for all Muslims. He was a Messenger of Allah and therefore closest to Allah with great piety. A creation can never be equal to Allah but Allah can love His creation. The Quran says: Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find written down in the Torah (Old Testament) and Injil (The book revealed to Jesus). He bids them to the seemly and prohibits the unseemly; Allows unto them things clean and forbids unto them things unclean; And relieves of them of their burden and the shackles which have been upon them. Those who believe in him and side with him and support him and follow the light which has been sent down with him; Those shall fare well. (Qur'an 7:157)
  2. We don't worship our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) but send praises and blessings of Allah (swt) on him because he was a mercy to all mankind. His character was sublime; perfect in faith and character. I am supposed to follow "Quran and Sunnah" (because without latter I don't have explanation and practice of Quran)to get closer to Allah. He is a teacher to us. Thus I will quote the following hadith: ...O people. I have conveyed the Message, and have left you with something which, if you hold fast to it, you will never go astray; that is, the Book of Allah and the sunnah of his Prophet...
  3. Allah is nothing like his creation and thus your point is invalid about Allah having a beard. The Quran says: Nor is there to Him any equivalent."[112:4]
  4. Overemphasis on Muhammad (pbuh): I think the following hadith would clear your argument: “When Allah loves a servant, He calls Gabriel and says: Verily, I love this person so you should love him. Then Gabriel loves him and makes an announcement in the heavens, saying: Allah loves this person and you should love him. Thus, the dwellers of the heavens love him and he is honoured in the earth...[sahih Muslim 2637] therefore it is because Allah (swt) loves Muhammad (pbuh) and why wouldn't he deserved to be loved by Allah and mankind?

Shahadah translation: "There is no god but Allah, Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah." Note that it says "Messenger of Allah" not only "Messenger" or just "Allah" in the latter part of the sentence(naozobillah). So that just adds more against your argument.

answered 8588 abdul_wasay's gravatar image
edited Apr 22 at 11:38

I know that I'm theoretically wrong. But

1) My Muslim friends all have these pictures where a calligrapy of Allah and Muhammad have the same size on the same level. These pictures are in every mosque, too, and are obviously derived from the shahada, where Muhammad has a very prominent role.

2) But you think of Muhammad more than you think of Allah. You're full of Muhammad. That's what I call shirk.

3) Besides probably misunderstanding me: tell me why do Muslims have beards?

4) So was Muhammad a very special (perfect) man, worthy of honour like no other, or a normal human being? :)

(Apr 22 at 16:49) Muhammad Had Doubts Muhammad%20Had%20Doubts's gravatar image

obviously they elevate him above the status of "normal". he's a prophet. some of them elevate the "rightly guided caliphs" above normal too. they put jesus and moses and solomn and abraham and david, the list goes on, abouve normal. that doesn't equate to a god. americans elevate the founding fathers above other humans. even build statues of them. but only crazy muslims would say that means we worship them. you sound as nutty as they are with your equal sized pictures on the same level. seems you are bringing a cultural prejudice. same size and level may mean nothing to them.

(Apr 23 at 14:07) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

were you a boy scout or something?

(Apr 23 at 14:07) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Lol what scout?

(Apr 23 at 14:59) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

You are confused @had doubts

Shirk means associating partners with Allah. We dont worship we follow him.

(Apr 23 at 15:06) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

Loving someone is not shirk. Worshipping him is.

About beard i dont know. Even Jesus had beard so there is nothing new there.

(Apr 23 at 15:07) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

boy scouts. it's an organization where boys get together and learn things like how to fold the american flag properly. and how to display it. for instance the american flag should be higher than the state flag or your organization's flag. that is why the level thing maybe important, symbolically to him? just a wild guess. lots of cultures equate height of display to stature or rank.

(Apr 23 at 15:14) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Interesting! I didn't know that! (so I never was a boy scout.) But where I come from Muslims were called Mohammedaner. They didn't like it, because their religion is not about Muhammad, but about Allah. But it feels like a lie. Because it really is about Allah, according to Muhammad only.

And don't worry, I don't care who has a beard or not. And I had a better (if not to say ingenious) example of how Muhammad is worshipped. But I forgot. So, I'll be back in a while :)

(Apr 24 at 06:19) Muhammad Had Doubts Muhammad%20Had%20Doubts's gravatar image

were do you come from that they still use the term mohammedaners?

actually one of the six articles of faith in islam is to believe in all the prophets of "god". adam all the way up to old mo. but they certainly do emphasize muhammad over the others. but they hate fags because of the story of lot (lut) and sodomn and gamora from the torah (and referanced in the koran as well). the koran actually mentions four "holy books". the oldtestament (torah), the book of david (zaboor) which may or may not be psalms and the new testament (ingeel) and of course teh koran. and you have the hadiths...

(Apr 24 at 12:10) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

crazy as they might be.

(Apr 24 at 12:11) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Allahu Akbar. Thank you both to Mr. Mike and brother Abdul Wasay. I pray the day will come when I can greet salamualaikum to Mr.Mike.

(Apr 25 at 09:51) UmarAbdullah ♦ UmarAbdullah's gravatar image
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