Can someone explain why , if Muslims believe the Bible has been "corrupted" in many places ... why then , do they (Muslims) often reference this same Bible when attempting to validate Muhammad as a prophet ???

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edited Apr 25 '12 at 23:29 NesreenA ♦ 199722 NesreenA's gravatar image
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I'm not knowledgeable, but I think Muslims believe that the Bible has God's word in it, but has been altered by man. So we don't know what is from God and what is from man. But whatever does not contradict the Quran we will believe. If this information is wrong, forgive me.

And personally, I have read the Bible, and I think I'd gladly say that I feel MUCH safer and MUCH more secure in the teachings of Islam. No offence, if you're a Christian, I say that with humility and respect. Just my personal opinion.

Peace be upon you.

(Apr 14 '12 at 10:03) AbdullahImranAz AbdullahImranAz's gravatar image

we havent studied the bible to do so but im sure anwarx has a lot of proof as you always see he is probably the only one who has studied it on this website

(Apr 15 '12 at 19:19) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

the basic belif of chritians is that saints wrote it answer this question- which i have asked many times why would god send down a book that needs revision? and before you say no one revised it it was only translatd then why would people still be changing it today they and have many different books in the same language if they were only translating it then wouldnt the original one also be written as much as the translated one and many copies would be here today but the only ones here are the translated ones we need the original because everything but the original has faults and mistakes

(Apr 16 '12 at 03:37) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

by the way for genuine reason i want to ask you where have you read or heard this from, that muslims refer bible for validating muhammad as a prophet?? because in the holy book quran itself is written that mohammad(s.a.w) is just a prophet. following evidence is given

Al-e-Imran:3 ayah:144 muhammad is no more than a rasool of allah, like the rasools that pass before him.

(Apr 22 '12 at 10:47) aaliya ♦ aaliya's gravatar image

Because confusedsoul, we have watched video's read quotes so many that we have been convinced that the bible is corrupted, then we forget which passages convinced us of that but not that we are convinced.

but I have a VERY good memory, as I have showed you two passages that must be corrupted otherwise I must refer to Noah as a drunk and David as a man who falls for temptation and instead of repenting covers up his tracks with murder.

(Apr 29 '12 at 13:56) Mohamad_Islam Mohamad_Islam's gravatar image

firstly I'd like to say Muslims do not denounce other religions, but as we know through time man has changed the Bible it influenced by the devil. I suggest if you care watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQWfhscudKc (from the history Channel which can explain a 12 part video each 8 min long, watch it you'll understand) so it is a Known fact in history. Muslims brothers and sisters you should watch it too it is, interesting. In the end All holy books from Psalm, Old testament, Bible and Quran came down for the same reasons Glad tiding (heaven for the Good people) and a warning (hell bad people), God has created us to worship him and thank him, and those who follow him will enter paradise and be around God and live a life so grand. Now, God wants every one to enter paradise free willed and he knows past and future everything, God has sent down many messengers to warn us, and often times God sees us stray and tries to send us to the right path again, he is MOST forgiving, but you can't force some one to appreciate you. God believes we have so many blessing and great perfections around us we should not have any doubt in our creator God. God does not need us but, we need him and God is wise when he created us, as human we have the tenuousness to forget, that is why Islam is always making us pray fast and give to charity and read the Quran, in this book we are reminded of death and the life-after because this life is nothing compared to the after -life everlasting. God wants us to live in peace and treat those like we would want to be treated and be good examples, and those who transgress will be punished (yes, we see evil minded people in all religions, they do not represent any faiths, especially Islam). The Devil himself was a Follower of God until he disobeyed God, and then God cast him out of the Garden/heaven, and intended to punish him. Iblis (devil) begged God to delay the punishment until the Last Day (the Day of Judgment): this God granted, as God is Most Merciful, and that devil said he wants try stray humans (because he thought of Humans having being made from clay were unworthy of paradise, he was created by smokeless fire he was snobby, arrogant and jealous of the love God had for us, and Adam as was termed "the Best of Creation"). so in the end, What I'm saying is every time God sent messengers as a mercy for mankind, the devils strays us except for the Quran, it is the Complete book, perfect religion no mistake everything is wise and logic, God has perfected this book and no one can even come close, the Quran can not be tampered and should be memorized too, so we can not forget the messege, and stray. God loves us we need to see that, when other prophets came they all were very loyal to God and prayed and fasted and so should we. The followers of these prophets after they had died, and people started forgetting the message sent down and strayed the path, devil would say to the people "oh change this line in the holy book, you'll get more followers if it were easier", or "build a Statue (idol) of a prophet (ex. Jesus, Mary, and many other...) so you and the generations to come, can remember them " but the generations to come, do not know why these statues were build so they just pray to it and visualize them in there prayer instead, an Idol made by man, or symbolizing a Creation by God, not praying for the almighty Creator God. In the Quran God tells us, if you doubt for one second of the creator Look around you at the perfection of life and creation and you'll know God is around us all at all time. LIFE is a Test, if you pass you'll success, do bad and you Fail. Do not waste your time, life is too short and God loves you, he is most forgiving. So instead of asking what verse of the bible are corrupted, go read about all religions especially Islam, and see which is closet to paradise, and to closer God. God has rules to make our life easy, and in Islam God say's, everything in life is permissible expect that of which God has prohibited for you ex. drinking alcohol, eating pork, and meat which is already dead, cheating, gambling, lying, killing of innocent people, and adultery, are prohibited for us, but God is most forgiving & most merceful and we as should human-beings must be forgiving too, and those who stray and repent those who were sensere, God will forgive, but why do what God told us which is not good for you? just stay a way and do good, very easy. God will always stand by you. Read read read and educate

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No one can prove that all bible books which is in the world is same, there is so many deference in all bibles, but all bible accept that Mohammad is the prophet of Allah, and Quran Also says, when Muslims give refrence of bible that is just for Christensen peoples only, because they all have full Aqida on bibles,

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That is a prejudice confusedsoul, we do not say that all the Bible is corrupt, only parts of it and if you have the time then I advise you to read it because it so happens that there are some texts which are said to be written by the same person yet a clear differenc can be seen from their previous style of writing to the next, showing that it is not the same person. I think you will find the story of Joshua Evans and his speech in Orange County insightful in your search for an answer when he talks of his experiences when reading the Bible.

(May 04 '12 at 11:44) Mim4040 Mim4040's gravatar image

It just so happens that I no someone from Iran, he was a muslim but he came to our church. As a muslim he was not happy with the quran there is a lot about it that left him with questions that he could not get answers to. He is now a christian. He is not on youtube, many who convert do not want it known. Your joshua expresses individual doubts and mis-understandings he obviously thinks he is knowledgable, but by the things he says, he is not. He did not understand Jesus message, he ignores the apostles witness and he mis understands Paul. Is this the best you can do?

(May 04 '12 at 23:20) Athanasius Athanasius's gravatar image

Salam brothers and sisters-

I am new to this page and saw this discussion and was interested to see the responses. I am a used-to-be Christian that came to Islam. It was taught to me at a very young age that things were taken out of and put into the Bible. It was also taught to me that while Allah was there for the creation of the book, so was Shaitan. Things that were taken out were of importance to mankind, and Shaitan made it so it would be difficult for an individual to receive a full understanding of the teaching of Allah. The changing of and/or omitting of names of pivotal prophets is just one example of the corruption that the Vatican participated in for one of the original Words of Allah. Let us remember, this is Shaitan's world that we live in, and he will do his best to dumb down mankind's devotion to Allah. The Vatican has not touched any part of the Qur'an -Alhamdullah-, and so that is why the Qur'an is the purest Word of Allah. I suggest youtubing Sheikh Ahmed Deedat (pbuh) to give a better understanding about this discussion-inshallah.

Alhamdullah

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how many different Bibles have read and found them all to be the same, even with in the same branch ??? but in Islam there is only One Quran (holy Book) no matter the different branches and about 90% are the majority Sunni still all other branches use the one same book, and are united, and that's why it is encouraged to recite in Arabic even if you do not speak the language, and remembered that as much and other languages try to translate there is no change in the originality text it is forbidden. I will not tell you why the Bible is corrupted, I think that if you ask each church or priest about; 1. how we were created in details and our purpose, 2. the creation of Jesus (PBUH)and death of Jesus (PBUH), 3. what happens after we die, what's the after life like? and if you are not convinced of different stories then ask about each the stories of the Prophets before us and their purpose to each tribe or people? and then go to any mosque Imam (or even muslim Person)ask the same Questions and I bet you'll see the straight and understanding answers no turns no confusion you'll feel at ease that it makes scene anywhere you go. You will see everything has a Purpose but, that is if you are afraid you might hear the answers you needed so clear and compare yourself (DONT ASSUME YOU KNOW EVERYTHING EVEN WITHIN YOUR OWN RELIGION STUDY) even in Islam God tells to us to compare yourself and study other religions and study Philosophy because Allah is Convinced that we will not doubt in the beauty of Islam.

I will say why the Quarn is not corrupted. Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

Allaah has guaranteed to preserve this Qur’aan Himself. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”

[al-Hijr 15:9] Ibn Jareer al-Tabari said in his Tafseer, 14/8:

Allaah is saying, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (Reminder), i.e. the Qur’aan, and We will guard the Qur’aan against anything false being added to it that is not part of it, or anything that is part of it being taken away, whether that has to do with rulings, hudood punishments or matters having to do with inheritance.

Al-Sa’di said in his Tafseer (p. 696):

It is We Who have sent down the Qur’aan in which there is mention of all issues and clear evidence, and in which We remind those who want to be reminded.

“and surely, We will guard it” means, when it is being revealed and after it has been revealed. When it is revealed, We protect it from the tampering of every accursed devil, and after it has been revealed Allaah instilled it in the heart of His Messenger. Allaah protected the words from being changed and from anything being added or taken away, or from its meanings being distorted. So no one can attempt to distort its meanings but Allaah will guide someone to explain the truth of the Qur’aan. This is one of the greatest signs of Allaah and His blessing to His believing slaves. Another aspect of this protection is that Allaah protects the people of the Qur’aan against their enemies, and no enemy can overpower them and eliminate them.

The Qur’aan was revealed to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in stages over a period of twenty-three years. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And (it is) a Qur’aan which We have divided (into parts), in order that you might recite it to men at intervals. And We have revealed it by stages”

[al-Isra’ 17:106]

al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

This means, We have revealed this Qur’aan in stages, to differentiate between guidance and misguidance, between truth and falsehood.

“in order that you might recite it to men at intervals” means, slowly, so that they may ponder and think about its meanings, and understand the different branches of knowledge contained therein.

“And We have revealed it by stages” means, gradually, over a period of twenty-three years.

Tafseer al-Sa’di, p. 760.

Secondly:

Literacy was not widespread among the Arabs. Allaah described them in such terms when He said (interpretation of the meaning):

“He it is Who sent among the unlettered ones a Messenger (Muhammad) from among themselves”

[al-Jumu’ah 63:2]

They used to memorize the Qur’aan by heart, and a few of them used to write down some verses or soorahs on animal skins, thin white stones and the like.

Thirdly: At first the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade the writing of anything other than the Qur’aan, and he forbade them to write down his words for a while, so that the Sahaabah would focus on memorizing the Qur’aan and writing it down, and so that the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not be confused with the words of Allaah, and so the Qur’aan was protected from anything being added or taken away.

Fourthly:

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) appointed a group of his companions who were trustworthy and knowledgeable to write down the revelation. They are known in their biographies as those who wrote down the Revelation, such as the four Caliphs, ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr ibn al-‘Aas, Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, Zayd ibn Thaabit and others – may Allaah be pleased with them all.

Fifthly:

The Qur’aan was revealed in seven dialects as was narrated in the saheeh hadeeth of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). This was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2287) and Muslim (818); these were the dialects of the Arabs which were known for their eloquence.

Sixthly:

The Qur’aan continued to be preserved in the hearts of the Sahaabah who had memorized it, and on the skins and other materials until the time of the caliph Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq (may Allaah be pleased with him). During the Riddah wars many of the Sahaabah who had memorized the Qur’aan were killed, and Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him) was afraid that the Qur’aan would be lost. So he consulted the senior Sahaabah about compiling the Qur’aan in a single book so that it would remain preserved and would not be lost. He entrusted this mission to the chief of memorizers Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him). Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4986) that Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) said:

Abu Bakr al-Siddeeq sent for me when the people of al-Yamaamah had been killed [i.e., a number of the Prophet's Companions who fought against the false prophet Musaylimah]. (I went to him) and found ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab sitting with him. Abu Bakr then said (to me), “ ‘Umar has come to me and said: ‘Casualties were heavy among the Qurra' of the Qur'aan (i.e. those who knew the Qur’aan by heart) on the day of the battle of al-Yamaamah, and I am afraid that more heavy casualties may take place among the Qurra' on other battlefields, whereby a large part of the Qur’aan may be lost. Therefore I suggest that you (Abu Bakr) order that the Qur’aan be collected.” I said to 'Umar, "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" 'Umar said, "By Allah, this is something good." 'Umar kept on urging me to accept his proposal till Allaah opened my heart to it and I began to realize the good in the idea which 'Umar had realized." Then Abu Bakr said (to me). “You are a wise young man and we do not have any suspicion about you, and you used to write the Divine Inspiration for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). So search for (the fragmentary scripts of) the Qur’aan and compile it in one book." By Allah If they had ordered me to move one of the mountains, it would not have been heavier for me than this ordering me to compile the Qur’aan. Then I said (to Abu Bakr), "How can you do something that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not do?" Abu Bakr replied, "By Allaah, it is a good thing." Abu Bakr kept on urging me to accept his idea until Allaah opened my heart to that to which He had opened the hearts of Abu Bakr and 'Umar. So I started looking for the Qur’aan and collecting it from (what it was written on) palm stalks, thin white stones and also from the men who knew it by heart, until I found the last Verse of Soorat al-Tawbah with Abu Khuzaymah al-Ansaari, and I did not find it with anybody other than him. The verse is (interpretation of the meaning):

"Verily, there has come unto you a Messenger (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty...” [al-Tawbah 9:128] until the end of Soorat Baraa’ah (i.e., al-Tawbah).

Then the complete manuscript (copy) of the Qur’aan remained with Abu Bakr until he died, then with 'Umar until the end of his life, and then with Hafsah, the daughter of 'Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him).

The Sahaabi Zayd ibn Thaabit (may Allaah be pleased with him) knew the Qur’aan by heart but he was methodical in his confirmation; he would not agree to write down any verse until two of the Sahaabah testified that they had heard it from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

This Mus-haf (written copy of the Qur’aan) remained in the hands of the caliphs until the time of the Rightly-Guided Caliph ‘Uthmaan ibn ‘Affaan (may Allaah be pleased with him). The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had dispersed to different lands, and they used to recite the Qur’aan according to what they had heard of the seven recitations from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and each of their students used to recite according to what he had heard from his shaykh. If a student heard someone reciting in a manner different from what he knew, he would denounce him and accuse him of making a mistake, and this went on until the Sahaabah feared that there would be fitnah (trouble) between the Taabi’een and successive generations. So they thought that they should unite the people in following one recitation, which was in the dialect of Quraysh in which the Qur’aan had first been revealed, so as to dispel any disputes and resolve the matter. ‘Uthmaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) was consulted, and he agreed with this opinion.

Al-Bukhaari narrated in his Saheeh (4988) from Anas ibn Maalik that Hudhayfah ibn al-Yamaan came to ‘Uthmaan at the time when the people of Shaam (Syria) and the people of Iraq were waging war to conquer Armenia and Azerbaijan. Hudhayfah was alarmed by their (the people of Sham and Iraq) differences in the recitation of the Qur’aan, so he said to 'Uthmaan, "O Ameer al-Mu’mineen! Save this nation before they dispute about the Book (Qur’aan) as the Jews and the Christians did before." So 'Uthmaan sent a message to Hafsah saying, "Send us the manuscript of the Qur’aan so that we may make copies of the Mus-haf and we will return the manuscript to you." Hafsah sent it to 'Uthmaan. Then 'Uthmaan ordered Zayd ibn Thaabit, 'Abdullah ibn al-Zubayr, Sa’eed ibn al-‘Aas and ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Haarith ibn Hishaam to copy out the manuscripts

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You look at the historians they have proved the bible has been changed, just to please the followers and make life easier, doubting Gods power, and to Glorify Jesus (pbuh) as a God, because other religions have done so in the past. Like I said, can you find any bible the same as another even with in you own branch?? there are thousands of different bibles and ONLY ONE QURAN no more poroof, it has not been changed, we are forbidden to make any changes, or God would have sent another messenger, that's why after Jesus (PBUH) died, God sent Mohammad (PBUH)because they killed Jesus before he finished the message from God and the people changed his Book. let me ask you Do You believe your Creator God is Wise?, Do You doubt his power or logic? Do you believe God is Justice? why would a great man like Jesus(PBUH) die for "our sins" every should be accountable on their own sin, not a man who never sinned, why would God do that what is the lesson? are you saying, that the men who doubted the Prophet Jesus (PBUH) denied him as the messenger and the book he tried to send, had a right to take his life? this is how Muslims see the Crucifixion.

God clarified in the Quran that Jesus was not crucified; rather, it was made to seem that way to the Jews, and that God raised him to the Heavens. The Quran does not explain, though, who was the person crucified instead of Jesus, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him.

“…They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but (another) was made to resemble him to them…” (Quran 4:157)

“God lifted him up to His presence. God is Almighty, All-Wise.” (Quran 4:158)

As such, Islam denies that Jesus came to this earth with the purpose of sacrificing himself for the sin of Adam, Eve, and the rest of humanity, freeing them from its burden. Islam strictly rejects the notion that any person bears the sin of another. God says:

“No bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another.” (Quran 39:7)

Also, Islam stresses the notion that God is able to and forgive all sins, if a person truly repents and then refrains from repeating it. God does not need any blood sacrifice for that, let alone descend in the form of man himself and die for every man's sins. Rather, God’s mercy extends to all creatures, believers and disbelievers alike. The door to forgiveness is open to anyone who seeks it.

The Second Coming of Christ

As Christians do, Muslims also believe in the return of Jesus the Messiah to earth, although his role and reason for his return does differ from what the Christians propose. He will return to earth first and foremost to prove his mortality and refute the false beliefs people held about him. He will live a normal life, marry, and also die as any other human. At that point, the matter will be clear concerning him, and all people will have believed that he was truly mortal.

“There is not one of the People of the Scripture but will believe in him (Jesus) before his death, and on the Day of Resurrection he will be a witness against them.” (Quran 4: 159)

Jesus will also fight the false Christ, who will call people to the belief that he is God, and who will appear just before he returns. Jesus will defeat the antichrist, and all people will accept the true religion of God. The world will see a type of peace and serenity unfelt in history, all worshipping the same God, subservient to Him alone, and at peace with one another.

Conclusion

What has preceded was just a brief introduction to the truth which God revealed about Jesus in His final Book, the Quran, which he revealed to Muhammad. There is only One God who created one race of human beings and communicated to them one message: submission to the worship of God and God alone and following His instruction – known in Arabic as Islam. That message was conveyed to the first human beings on this earth, and reaffirmed by all of the prophets of God who came after them throughout all the ages.

Jesus Christ, born of the Virgin Mary, performed miracles and invited the Israelites to the same message of submission (Islam) as did all of the prophets who preceded him. He was not God, nor was he the ‘Son of God’, but was the Messiah, an illustrious prophet of God. Jesus did not invite people to worship himself; rather, he called them to worship God, Whom he himself worshipped. He confirmed the laws of the Torah which Prophet Moses taught; he lived by them, and instructed his disciples to follow them to the finest detail, after allowing those things which the Jews made illegal upon themselves. Before his departure, he informed his followers of the last prophet, Muhammad of Arabia, who would come after him, and instructed them to observe his teachings.

In the generations after Jesus’ departure from this world, his teachings were distorted and he was elevated to the status of God. Six centuries later, with the coming of Prophet Muhammad, the truth about Jesus Christ was finally retold and preserved eternally in the last book of divine revelation, the Quran. Furthermore, many of the laws of Moses, which Jesus followed, were revived in their pure and unadulterated form and implemented in the divinely prescribed way of life known as Islam, while many other aspects and injunctions of the laws which had been brought by the earlier prophets were lightened or dropped altogether.

Consequently, the reality of the prophets, their uniform message, and the way of life which they followed, can only be found preserved in the religion of Islam, the only religion prescribed by God for man. Furthermore, only Muslims today actually follow Jesus and his true teachings. Their way of life is much more in tune with the way of life Jesus practiced than any of the modern day “Christians.” Love and respect of Jesus Christ is an article of faith in Islam, and God stressed the importance of belief in Jesus in numerous places in the Quran

(Apr 16 '12 at 20:10) muslimah muslimah's gravatar image

check this new website and this section about Jesus PBUH if you would like the full undestandings http://researchislam.com/?page_id=21

(Apr 16 '12 at 21:09) muslimah muslimah's gravatar image

The Bible is not corrupted, nor is there any materialized (physical) evidence to support this accusation other then "hear say." The Bible is the oldest known book; older than the Qur'an. The Qur'an includes many numerous biblical personalities, but only recognizes The Torah of Moses, The Gospels of Jesus, and the Psalms of David, as authentic. Athe Qur'an accuses Jews and Christians of distorting their earlier revelation by intentionally suppressing the truth or by false interpretation, but there is more than enough physical evidence to not only support but thwart any dispute or doubt of its authenticity. (1) For the Old Testament (OT), there are thousands of manuscripts that have been found to support it, 10,000 manuscripts alone found in the Cairo Geniza, in 1947, 600 OT manuscripts found in the Dead Sea caves at Qumran, and the Dead Sea Scrolls, which contain at least fragments of all OT books except Esther, that all date from before the end of the first century A.D. And some to the third century B.C. It is well known that Jewish scribal reverence for Scripture led to it's careful translation. The Greek translation of the OT, the Sepuagint and the Samaritan Pentateuch, both show close similarity to the same biblical books preserved with Jewish tradition. Studies show that 95% of the text is correct word-for-word. After 1,000 years there were no changed in meaning and almost no changes in wording! (2) For the New Testament (NT) it's manuscripts allow it to be translated more accurately and precise than any other ancient text. There are almost 5,700 Greek manuscripts, which in comparison to the typical book from antiquity that would have 7 to 10 manuscripts; Homer's Illiad has the most at 643. The New Testament is the best textually supported book from the ancient world. The earliest NT manuscript is the John Rylands Papyrus, dated between A.D. 117 and 138. Whole books are contained in the Bodmer Papyri from around the year 200, and most of the NT including the Gospels, is available in the Chester Beatty Papyri manuscripts dating to about 250. There are many New Testament manuscripts, which would corroborate it's authenticity. Princeton Prof. Bruce Metzger found that the NT is only a half percent in doubt meaning its without a shadow of a doubt in corrupted and was translated accurately, being 99.9 percent accurate—the best known for any book in from the ancient world. With all this being said, with all the early dates and unmatched accuracy of the OT and NT manuscript copies establish the Bibles reliability well beyond any other book. Thus the Bible which is read today is a trustworthy copy of the original text written from the pens of the prophets and apostles. Muslims believe the Bible to be compromised or doctored by man, but the Bible is not compromised by God using human personalities in its writing any more than when He uses human personality in the spoken word of prophets. There is more than enough evidence to support the Bible and the fact that Jesus lived, died for all our sins that we may have life, was resurrected, and will one day return for His people. As a Christian myself, let me say that I love all my brothers and sisters no matter their race, beliefs, or color. I pray that all who read this would not only open their hearts and minds to what I've written but to Jesus Christ son of the living God, Yahweh, Adonai. Peace and love to all.

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why is somthing that is older not corrupted somthing that is older means there was much more time to change somthing about it the fact that the quran is newer is better becuase that means that they are newer revelations and the final view, if there was a law that denied black people right, but then it was repeled people would follow the new one because that is the final say on black peoples rights same with the quran we should follow the final say of the lord

(Apr 16 '12 at 03:44) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

Maybe its not corrupted despite its age, because it truly is the living word of Yahweh and he will not let it become corrupt.

(May 03 '12 at 11:46) Athanasius Athanasius's gravatar image

Salam my dear brother! There is no doubt that the bible is corrupted!! there is a popular debate about that!! search youtube and type in is bible the book of God (Ahmed deedat) Youll find a lot of things there!! :D

regarding your question why do Muslims use the same reference to validate that Muhammad (pbuh) is the prophet of God! the truth is in my own point of view our holy Quran itself is more than enough to validate that Muhammad (pbuh) is a prophet. Unfortunately, Christian do not believe in Quran so We muslims use the reference which is written in the bible to prove that Muhammad is a prophet. Bible is corrupted but not all of it were altered.

hope this helps!!

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Allah knows the best.

(Apr 23 '12 at 09:22) aaliya ♦ aaliya's gravatar image

HOW COME YOU HAVENT ANSWERED MY QUESTION...... i answered your which by the way you didnt respond to and then you didnt answer mine :if christians belive the bible was rewritten by saints and obviously its true as history shows and you belive in the bible even if it is spiratul you belive what they wrote then why would god send down abook that needs revision is it not perfect when it started i asked this three times you havent answered no human can write anything better then god can they?

(Apr 23 '12 at 16:55) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

THAT DIDNT ANSWER MY QUESTION I SAID NOTHING OF THE QURAN I WANT YOU TO ANSWER obviously you cant because even you know its coruppted you can argue all you want but untill you find an answer to my question its gonna be evident that even the followers of the bible can defend if its valid or not

(Apr 23 '12 at 22:18) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

firstly you did not include that in your explanation and secondly if it was simply revised so others can understand it why were the original also discarded why wasent the original kept so others that do understand read, no it was completly chaged and the original was discarded this isnt a translation because in a translation the original is still avalibele this is a complete alteration so this wouldnt be considered a translation, secondly im not blaming a book it was human error that it was changed but humans should also put it in their own hands to find and follow the true book

(Apr 24 '12 at 00:33) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image
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also can you answer me this does gods book need revision its a simple yes or no question

(Apr 24 '12 at 00:33) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

Confusedsoul, we use the bible in references for it was once the uncorrupted word of Allah, the Qur'an is enough for some, but to those who follow the old scriptures, we show them through the book they undoubtedly follow and believe in that reference to Muhammad's coming exists.

We don't need to use the bible, we just do it because if someone pointed out a verse in the Qur'an to the coming of a prophet who was described as this person was described then I'd have to believe that, that person was truly the prophet, why?

BECAUSE IT WAS IN MY RELIGIONS BOOK, THE BOOK OF GOD.

(Apr 29 '12 at 14:03) Mohamad_Islam Mohamad_Islam's gravatar image
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What it comes down to is, the Bible tells us that Jesus died, while the Quran-Surah 4:157-158 tells us that he didn’t, and this is an area where we can test our holy books to see which is confirmed by the evidence. If the Bible is incorrect then Christians are practicing a false religion, but if the Quran is incorrect...Whether Christians or Muslims practice what is in there books I do not believe is the question.

(4:157) That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not.

Jews would never say "we killed Christ Jesus" because they would never call Jesus, Christ, to them Christ means Messiah. They called Him a blasphemer because he said he was The Christ. Neither would they call him an Apostle of Allah, they hated him and wanted him dead. Why would Allah deceive people into thinking that Christ was not crucified?

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how do you know thats the translation your basing this answer on what the translation is that not the exact wording the best translation is messiah and it dosent nessatily mean that they belived he was a messiah they were describing who they supposedly killed to the christians if you destroy an idol you may say i destroyed your god to somone who worshipped the idol it dosent mean i belived the idol was a god nor did i ike the idol to give it a high status you get me? the jews are just saying we killed the messiah but it dosent mean they really believed it was the messiah rather thats the way they broke the news to the christians it could have also been in a sarcastic tone that they were saying among eachother we killed the "messiah" and why would god allow jesus to day in such a matter where he was tourchered like that and humiliated by the jews and are you willing to continue to be a christian just because of that one difference i told you many of his teachings we do that christians do if you belive us wouldnt you join us in the his teachings? there is evedince everywhere we truley loved jesus and wouldnt spread false rumors do you not belive that those words came from god? how can a man that can neither read nor write, create such a book even if he did how can he write such beutiful language to the every dot and accent and leave no detail? everyone was an idol worshipper and his parents died when he was very young how can he have learned so much about the prophets? even if you dont belive in the whole story is it possible that muhammad would have talked about abraham david jesus moses and many more without ever being taught about them? he must of recived these words straight from god there is absoulutly no chance the quran came from a human a book with no contradiction beautiful language and stories people at their time have never heard even with the best imagination no one can come up with all the stories in the quran or gathered all the information to write them? so please i invite you to explore islam its a truley beautiful religion. I love jesus as much as you and maybe more because i do whatever i can to follow his teachings and the teachings of everyother prophet

(Apr 12 '12 at 01:10) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

it isnt decivement he wasent killed he protected jesus by sending somone else because that what a god does protect people Allah loves and that includes you and me and esspecially the prophets

(Apr 12 '12 at 01:15) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

This was a question about the corruption of the Bible, if I have taken it off track then I apologize for a discussion of the beauty of wording of the Quran or how or by whom it was written we should take it up somewhere else. Your answer was "everyone knows" Al Ummat says that he has not read the Bible enough to give a good answer. I hope there are more answers to this question, and by scholars, because I know there are some who subscribe to this site, or have in the past.

(Apr 12 '12 at 07:28) Athanasius Athanasius's gravatar image

al ummat simply said he dosent know where it has been revised because he hasent read it i said the same thing i didnt get any evidence of it but everyone knows but i cant provide you passages at the top of my head i said everyone knows it isnt written by god and has been written by many different people some of the chapters are named by the people who revised it christians say it all the time that it was saints who wrote it thats what i meant by everyone knows

(Apr 12 '12 at 13:39) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

also i was simply trying to give you evidence about how what the quran says is true if you belive the book is truley from allah then you would belive what written in it which is why im trying to show you these words are true and from god and if its from god and the stories are true then you would relize jesus was not crucified and was saved by god is it hard to belive God protected the prophet? its is very simple to me.....

(Apr 12 '12 at 15:27) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

The only thing I know of that God actually wrote was the ten commandments that he gave to Moses and then Moses threw them down and broke them. Everything else has been written by the hand of man, and that includes the Quran. Christians believe that The Bible is the inspired word of God. If the translation is a problem for you there is no translation that denies that Christ died on the cross. There are also many non-Christian witnesses to this. There are also witnesses to the fact that Judas hung himself. Both Jews and Romans.

(Apr 12 '12 at 21:53) Athanasius Athanasius's gravatar image

if you realize the quranic verse which you yourself quoted it said that it was appeared that he died it was an exact clone of course everyone is going to say he died even the non-christians because the man looked just like jesus not everything is about what you see with the eye we cant see God can we and we still belive in him the quran explained to us that it wasent really jesus himself so i belive that why would anyone make that up? why would a man that even knew nothing of the story make it up? he didnt Allah told him through gabrial and I belive it

(Apr 12 '12 at 23:03) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

I still have yet to find any proof behind these claims . It seems to me that the only source is the Quran itself . Is the intent of the Quran to discredit Yeshua (Jesus) and the crucifixion ?? It would appear that the only "conjecture" would be in believing that some type of "clone" was put in his place instead , which I didn't see written in the Quran at all . So where does this belief come from . Maybe some things are not meant for us to know ?? Heck , I don't know . But I must say thank you to everyone who has responded so far . Your input is valuable and appreciated . And , the search for "Truth" goes on . . .

(Apr 16 '12 at 14:15) mellowone mellowone's gravatar image

There was a man who looked like Jesus, the Romans only knew him by description. As for "clone" If Allah wills you to see a cat as a man you'll see that cat as if it was a man and not know the difference.

Or do you doubt the ability of Allah/God/YhVH whatever name you'd like to refer to him by.

(Apr 29 '12 at 13:46) Mohamad_Islam Mohamad_Islam's gravatar image

Again http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=IYMKQKSV0bY

This man has the passages memorized, beautiful story Ex-christians priest pretty much has the bible memorized by how many times has read it.

(Apr 29 '12 at 13:51) Mohamad_Islam Mohamad_Islam's gravatar image
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evryone knows it was alterd by many different people even christians know that and they plainly say it but they think that since they are saints that rewrite it the saints make it better but if people would understand they would know that Allah dosent send down anything tht needs revision or rewriting it was perfect when God sent it down and by rewriting it they have only ruined it not improved it

another thing the religion is called christianity and yet the true teachings of jesus are not followed through he was circumsized and the majority of christians arent he ate only kosher foods and only muslims and jews do that, he never ate pork and christians do he never drank and in church people drink wine he prayed by putting his head on the floor (and this is in the bible) and only muslims do that he had a beard which is what muslims belive is sunnah and through painting and descriptions we know mary covered her hair and wore loose clothing and this is what is required of women to wear in our religion if they lived in todays time, people would belive they were in fact muslim and they truley were muslims and all of this stuff is belived by christians so why isnt the conclusion belived by them that they were muslims, we follow the teachings of jesus more then the christians do so if you truley wanted to follow jesus explore islam and you wont regret it

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There are many things I could say in response to NesreenA, but I shall restrict myself to the following. Why do you think that Jesus did not drink wine? One of the passages that imply that Jesus drank wine is the following.

“33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ 34 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and you say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners’ ” (Luke 33-4, new international version)

(Apr 14 '12 at 16:31) Jedothek Jedothek's gravatar image

thats the new international version find me a passaage from the old testament that is as close as it will ever get to the truth

(Apr 14 '12 at 20:48) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image
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To al Ummat,

John the Baptist is a different person from Jesus. The son of man is Jesus: to find out why, read the book of Daniel.

The passage makes a contrast: it says that you persons (Jesus’ critics) complained that John did not drink; but you also complain that Jesus does drink.

To NesreenA,

There is no passage in the Old Testament that unequivocally refers to Jesus. If I cited one, you would probably say, “That does not refer to Jesus at all.”

(Apr 14 '12 at 21:58) Jedothek Jedothek's gravatar image

exactly you cant prove that jesus ever drank

(Apr 14 '12 at 22:13) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

also i listed many other things that muslims do to follow jesus that chritians do not do any comment s on anything else are we not closer to his teachings by only eatign halal meat, getting circumsized, havivng beards abstaning from pork mary being covered up jesus and mary closley resembiling muslims so you dont belive the drinking one what about all the others

(Apr 14 '12 at 22:15) NesreenA ♦ NesreenA's gravatar image

You are absolutely right NesreenA, but what you don't get is that he was the FULFILLMENT of the law. When he died and rose from the grave the law was fulfilled, at the time even his apostles didn't understand until he explained it to them again. After appearing to the twelve he also appeared to five hundred other people. There is evidence, but your people refuse to look at it or even acknowledge that it exists. As an example the Saudi Government has put a fence around mount Sinai with armed guards they refuse to allow archaeologist's in to examine the site.

(Apr 14 '12 at 23:41) Athanasius Athanasius's gravatar image

For fear they will try to harm the site, or anything in it.

As for Jesus appearing to people in dreams, would you believe the witness statements of these people over 2000 years ago? after jesus was allegedly crucified? I wouldn't believe them, I'd at the least criticize them saying, why would jesus appear to you in a day dream? and what evidence to you have? and why would I accept what you write and add it to the bible and make it my religion? That's what had happened, Paul was an enemy of Christianity and he ultimately destroyed it by fooling it's people and changing it;s scriptures.

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