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closed Jun 30 at 20:09 123 AbduAllah (suspended) 123%20AbduAllah's gravatar image

Who said that ??? the Prophet has a Jew neighbor & the Prophet never treated him in a bad way because he was non Muslim. Muslim majority lands/country/area used to (and still) have non Muslim people. Also, the Prophet's uncle was non-muslim but that did not prevent the Prophet from being good to his uncle. God says:

لَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ أَنْ تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ

link to this Ayah and its meaning

So, have non Muslim friends & treat them the way you treat your Muslim friends. We are all God's creation.

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answered 655 usrname14's gravatar image
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you can't be a citizen of saudi arabia or the maldives without being a muslim. so do lyou greet your non-muslim frinds the same as your muslim friends?

(May 08 at 11:36) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

I'm a citizen of saudi arabia (Sunni Muslim too) & it's not true that saudi arabia is 100% muslims. There are non-muslim in any country with muslim majority but of course they have no voice & are not mentioned anywhere. Anyone thinks other wise is delusional. Currently, I'm studying in the US and I do have many non-muslim friends & I greet them/treat them the same way I treat my Muslim friends. Of course I say "hi" instead of As-Salaam-Alaikum but that does not change anything (greeting is about welcoming people. it's not about using a specific phrase).

(May 08 at 17:16) usrname14 usrname14's gravatar image

@username14 I understand what you are trying to say but the thing does Islam allow us to greet with non muslim.

(May 08 at 17:39) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

are you serious? of course it does. What part of "the prophet living next to a jew and being good to the the non-muslim neighbor" don't you get. Also, isn't the Prophet's uncle a non-muslim?? did the Prohpet throw rock at his uncle of did he treated (and greeted) him with respect??

(May 08 at 17:44) usrname14 usrname14's gravatar image

Thanks for your advice

Bless you

(May 08 at 21:58) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

They're you're smart @askislam2014, your comment was just what I had in mind.

(May 08 at 22:32) Muhammad noor qutawna Muhammad%20noor%20qutawna's gravatar image

username14, i didn't say there were no non-muslims in saudi arabia. clearly many people working in the oil industry are non-muslims. i personally know two people who's fathers worked and lived in saudi arabia. they both went to catholic schools in italy. there are what? about 20 million saudis and 5 million foriegn workers in "the kingdom"? although y'all just deported over a million right. but those were mostly laborers from sri lanka, pakistan and banglades right? the educated westerner, engineers and such probably avoided that crack down. anyway, i said you can't be a citizen. is that not

(May 09 at 11:15) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

true? so why do you come to the US to study? you ever read the islamqa.com website. ever see his answer to this questions? he's a saudi scholar, muhammad al-munjjid (that's probably mispelled). he quotes a hadith that says muhammad said, when you meet a jew or a christian on the road, push them to the narrow side of the road.

what do you think of 5:51 in the koran?

(May 09 at 11:17) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

you talked about deportation & my response is this: Saudi Arabia is controlled by religious freaks, the monarch, and uneducated tribal men. So, people with common sense (civil right activists, modest shikh, etc) have no voice. This is all POLITICS (use religious figures to justify whatever the monarchy does and then punish anyone who disagrees with the monarch using religion-via fatwa- as a tool; people are told not to question religion therefore not to question the punishment which is the product of religion usage. This is what Europe experienced during its dark ages and then rebelled against

(May 09 at 21:50) usrname14 usrname14's gravatar image

No I don't respect (or agree) with ALL religious figures in Saudi Arabia. They are mad, entitled, crazy men. This include Ibn Baz, Ibn ibn uthaymin, al-munjjid, and the rest. I'm Saudi by birth & citizenship. All of my roots (tribe) are from Saudi Arabia but that means NOTHING to me. I value critical thinking, knowledge, philosophy, and freedom of thought not obedience, "follow the crowd", my roots (family tree & tribe bullshit). I came to the US to study because it is time to Enlighten the Muslim world & bring educated Muslims to lead that world rather non sense shikh, kings, dictators.

(May 09 at 21:57) usrname14 usrname14's gravatar image

with regard to Ayah 5:51, I will tell you this: everyone can open the Quran, find an Ayah, take it out of context, and use it prove a point. Am I right? For example, someone can read the Ayah that says cut off the burglar's hand & then start cutting off everyone's hand. While the Ayah said to do that, there are many conditions before that could even happen (such as the burglar is not stealing to feed him/herself, etc). Was the Ayah you mentioned was reveal during war (etc) and does it apply today (not in a war) and what about other Ayahs that override this Ayah. you see what I'm getting at.

(May 09 at 22:05) usrname14 usrname14's gravatar image

my bad that should have been in a comment box.

anyway, here is an interesting video, to your point of anyone can prove a point. so you can see why it is hard for us kufar to figure out who's point is right? it would be rather funny if so many in the tribe didn't think this way also, or believe him.

www.memri.org/clip/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4263.htm

having posted this reminds me doesn't this guy mention omar. funny how that works out. the just omar suspending cutting hands but labeling Christians with a red flag. kind of like a yellow star?

(May 10 at 11:10) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

This guy is a good example of a hypocrite extremist. He talks about being superior to non-Mulism yet his clothes (fabric) is probably made in China (by non Muslims), the mic to which he speaks is a western technology (maybe made by non Muslim labor), the freedom of religion he enjoys is granted to him by non-Muslim country, etc. Also, the MEMRI is a biased media platform; it only focuses on Muslim extremists and present it as if that was the NORM. It's like having a media channel that only focuses on REDNECKS, RACISTS, and Christian extremists (Terry Jones) as the NORM in the US or the West.

(May 10 at 18:59) usrname14 usrname14's gravatar image

Finally, I think media organizations in ALL countries need to give modest (& average) people and thinkers more voices. This will present the NORM not the exceptions. Also, when extremists' voices are given more attention, they are MADE like celebrities. For example, you turn on TV in the US & all you see is super thin (anorexic) women or super fit (muscular & tall) men. However, that's not the AVERAGE body type in the US society. All you need to do to see the reality is to wake down the street & see the REALITY for yourself. People tend to want to be like those on TV (or the MADE celebrities)

(May 10 at 19:15) usrname14 usrname14's gravatar image

it's a video. unless you are claiming it to be doctored, the guy said what he said. who has claimed it to be the norm? the question is, how can he quote hadiths and draw the conclusion that he draws if islam is meant to be a tolerant religion? you know who al-munijjad is. his website quotes the same hadith that says, "when you meet the jew or the christian on the road, push him to the narrow side." the guy has the 12,000th most popular website in the world.

yes, the average american doens't look like a movie star. what this has to do with anything is beyond me.

(May 12 at 11:45) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

@mikejm4 once again you made it clear that are not a muslim by saying that you ain't scared of Allah. I think you are very pro western and should be as your birth certificate is an apology from west condom company used in a brothel.

You are not a muslim then please don't give me Islamic advice.

I think you must have been born on highway cuz that's where most accident takes place. So keep your mouth shut and get the fuck out of this muslim forum. We don't want any hypocrites in our forum.

(May 12 at 14:23) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

lol. you're hilarious dude. oh no, did you call my mother a whore? you're going to make me cry. lmao. clearly you are a wonderful muslim.

but how am i a hypocrite?

(May 13 at 14:50) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image
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They just say be with people who follow you and lead you to jannat

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answered 462619 IAmAMuslim's gravatar image

Of course you can have Christian friends, don't let them influence you on the things that are sinful, even if you can bring them towards converting to Islam the true religion it's great, even though it says that some people will never accept Islam as their religion. Just keep forward your faith in Islam and lead yourself to paradise. Allah be with us all?

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answered 1533 Muhammad%20noor%20qutawna's gravatar image

Thanks for advice. Allah will bless you

(May 07 at 21:03) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

No problem bro,

(May 07 at 21:17) Muhammad noor qutawna Muhammad%20noor%20qutawna's gravatar image

5:51 take not the jews and the christians for allies (sometimes translated as friends), they are but allies to one another. whoever amoung you does so verily becomes one to them, and god does not guide such evildoers. [something like that. that is muhammad asad's translation. he goes on to 'explain' that it means jews are really only good friends with jews and christians with christians, so don't really trust them. but you can be friendly with them. others say not to socialize with them at all. so what that means is of course open to a wide variety of interpretations. islam is not very clear.

(May 08 at 11:34) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Yeah because a person who isn't muslim might not have the good loyalty like a muslim would, if I were with Abdul wasay, and you, I'd rather have Abdul wasay, trust the man with my life, I wouldn't trust you with one dollar for you to bring me to trouble. Thanks

(May 08 at 21:15) Muhammad noor qutawna Muhammad%20noor%20qutawna's gravatar image

Thank you for your question.

Dear brother I somewhat understand your situation. I am older than you and I know how it is like to live in a non Muslim country. However, I sincerely suggest you be in company of righteous Muslims and befriend them. This has a tremendous positive influence in your life and faith inshaAllah. The reverse is also true. You may think this is unnecessary, and that your non Muslim friends will have no impact on your religion and morals. However one day you may look back and regret.

We are very heavily influenced by the company we keep. Slowly and imperceptibly to ourselves, though perhaps others might notice, we adopt the thinking, habits, beliefs, mannerisms and lifestyle of our friends. It is thus very important that we choose those people as friends who we won’t be embarrassed to be with on the Day of Judgement.

Believe me, I somewhat see this from observation. The amount of impact your friends have are phenomenal. There is nothing more dangerous than falling into disbelief, shirk and kufr after Allah has blessed you with Islam and your friends may have on impact on your religion itself.

Allah says:

How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their belief and had witnessed that the Messenger is true and clear signs had come to them? And Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people.

Those – their recompense will be that upon them is the curse of Allah and the angels and the people, all together,

Abiding eternally therein. The punishment will not be lightened for them, nor will they be reprieved.

Except for those who repent after that and correct themselves. For indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. (Surah Ale Imran. Verse 86-89)

This verse should make us tremble with fear. Allah says that on the type of people Allah mentiones are the curse of Allah and the angels and the people combined! The curse of our Creator is enough! By Allah! Therefore we should flee from His wrath and curse to His Mercy.

The Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: “A man is upon the religion of his friend, so let one of you look at whom he befriends.” [Jami at-Tirmidhi] The Messenger of Allah (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said that even animals influence the personality of the people who keep company with them. He (sal Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said that he who spends much time around camels learns to harbour grudges, while he who keeps the company of horses becomes arrogant. If animals can influence us so much, how much more can those who are of the same species?

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answered 40117 UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

Inappropriate- Removed.

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answered 109 mikejm4's gravatar image
edited Jun 30 at 20:03 123 AbduAllah (suspended) 123%20AbduAllah's gravatar image

Look brother you are American. From what I gather from previous posts you are quite wealthy and rich. You have a good life. But even a rich American has to die one day. Why dont you turn to Allah and truly worship Him? By Allah, He has given you the freedom to become Muslim any moment and have all your sins forgiven. Just take the offer before your heart turns away and then you keep on delaying on and on till death finally comes. Yes, you will be tested, but you know what the rewards are at the end. And Allah will be pleased with you and give you a great reward from Him.

(May 11 at 10:43) UmarAbdullah ♦ UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

Dont fear anyone other than Allah and just go ahead despite everything else. Yes you are perhaps confused about Salafism and whether this is the most correct type of Islam. Well, the answer is simple. Follow the Quran and Sunnah. The salafis strictly adhere to authenticity in many of their understanding, so follow them in this regard. However, in places they err dont follow them. Salafis after all are Muslims and all Muslims err. But the Quran and the Sunnah doesnt err.

(May 11 at 10:46) UmarAbdullah ♦ UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

Al hamdulilahee brother great answer may Allah reward you.....

(May 11 at 11:25) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

yes, we all die. i think you have made this pitch before. i don't fear anyone, allah included. but thank you for your concern for my mythical soul. you have a good day boss.

oh yeah, how do you answer the question? and interpret 5:51.

yaqin, or can anyone tell me the war that was waging at the time of the 5th surah being "revealed"? the jews of khabiar? the banu nadir? (however you spell those)

(May 12 at 11:51) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Im not qualified to answer so Ill pass. BTW, brother @Yaqin, brother @Mike and the moderators (Abdul Wasay, Ask Islam, and Muhammad included in this invitation), if you ever come for a visit to Melbourne, inshaAllah you will be welcomed by this friend of yours. It would be good to meet you, and you have contributed positively in this site, and helping the community grow. Later on, I dream to move to Saudi and work there someday.

(May 12 at 18:14) UmarAbdullah ♦ UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

so as an aussie what did you think of the guy, who headed the largest muslim organization downunder, who said that you don't blame the cats if you leave uncovered meat out in the ally.

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