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How can you differentiate between jihadists and terrorists? Can anyone or group of people can do jihad or it's a state who declare/decides?

The purpose of this questions is to clarify the misconceptions about jihad. A lot of people thing what is happening in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan is Jihad.

I think anyone who does genocide of innocent people is terrorist to me. No mater what religion they are from and what nationality do they hold. And I am pretty sure most of you guys will agree with me. I have been accused of kafir and the enemy of Islam just because I have different opinions about jihad then they (name mentioned above ) have. Those of you who think I am not muslim let me tell you that I was in year 4 when I went to the protest against Iraq invasion for two days in London, 15 of feb.And one thing more There was a discussion organised by Muslim community about the genocide of Muslims at Horticultural Hall London and I was the one who represented the whole community in front 2 MPs and the role of Great Britain in those genocide.

So I would like ever single person on this forum to come forward and give your opinions based on Islamic point of view.

Again, My intentions are not to hurt anyones' feelings so please forgive me if this question hurts you one way or the another.

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edited May 09 at 01:28 UmarAbdullah ♦ 40117 UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

Its a Discussion Question and needs to be posted on Islam.com Community.

(May 08 at 21:41) Irfan Alam ♦ Irfan%20Alam's gravatar image

if the point of jihad is to establish and islamic state in order to spread islam to all mankind, because sharia is the only savior for mankind, then yes. all muslims fighting to establish sharia, to forbid what is evil and enjoin what is good, are fighting a proper jihad. if innocents die, don't worry, they get to go to heaven. boko haram's goal in an islamic state in northern nigeria, which is "muslim land". because muslims are the majority in northern nigeria. the muslim fighters in mali are waging proper jihad. the southern philipines, indonesia, pakistan, india, china...etc.

(May 09 at 10:58) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

the whole point of islam is to conquer the world, which belongs to allah, for islam. read ibn nuhaas' book of jihad. non-believers are a cancer which must be cut out. jihad is the cure. first you invite them to islam. if they refuse the medicine then they must be amputated from the body.

(May 09 at 11:01) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

The best type of jihad is the jihad of the one who strives against his own self (Jihad al-Nafs) for the sake of Allah. If you want to know that killing innocent peoples is jihad or not, then whether you kill innocents muslims or non-muslims is terrorism and it is forbidden in Islam. You have mentioned Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan in your question and there are two types of conditions in these three countries. in Iraq and Afghanistan non-believers (non-muslims) are invading muslims and killing innocent peoples so if you fight against them in the way of Allah it is Jihad as most of the taliban do, in Pakistan the conditions are changed where the taliban are killing innocent peoples they bomb mosques churches and markets they don't care who are they killing they just say that we are doing jihad but in reality they are not, because you can't kill an innocent in Islam.

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@Abubakr022 Thanks for your answer, highly appreciated.

(May 10 at 06:58) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

but if the Taliban in Pakistan is fighting to establish an Islamic state and enforce sharia. why is it not a just jihad?

who are the just killers in Syria?

(May 10 at 10:38) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Mikej bcz Pakistan is a muslim state not a kafir state. The constitution of pakistan is based on Quran and shariah.

(May 10 at 13:23) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

mike keep answering urself.

(May 10 at 19:02) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

true. www.pakistani.org/pakistan/constitution/preamble.html

but if the taliban feel that the government is on living up "the requirements of islam as set out in the holy quran and sunnah", shouldn't they revolt. is that not a duty to muslims? to bring true sharia to their land?

what do you think of article XX in pakistani law? saying that the ahmadi can't call themselves muslim.

(May 12 at 11:35) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

@Askislam tumhara kya haal hain? Karachi mein rehtein ho?

(May 12 at 12:15) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

@mikejm4 you can't make a right with wrong, taliban don't want sharia in Pakistan they want their power and chaos in Pakistan, tell me where it written in Islam that you can impose sharia or anything by force and specially killing innocent peoples. Allah (God) says in Quran 5:32 “…if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”

(May 12 at 13:30) Abubakr022 Abubakr022's gravatar image

@Abdul_wasay as I mentioned earlier on in my question that I live in Essex not in pakistan. Well I I been there more than 4 times but it's been long now since I been last time. Why are asking this question anyway?

(May 12 at 13:35) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

@Askislam2014 thought you were pakistani.

(May 12 at 14:16) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

@abdul_wasay that's right that I am Pakistani but by descent not by Birth. Born and bred here in Essex.

(May 12 at 14:32) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

abubakr, so what is "spreading mischief"? if i say there is no god, am i spreading mischief? if i say muhammad wasn't a prophet, mischief? if i say women should be allowed to inherit equal shares as their brothers, mischief? the ahmadi claim a prophet after muhammad, mischief?

what if yaqin says that abu bakr acted unjustly and stole land from fatima?

did you see 68 lawyers arrested in pakistan today for blasphemy?

(May 13 at 14:34) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image
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Jihad means to to strive in the way of Allah. You are knowledgable thus u can work out rest by urself.

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edited May 08 at 20:29

My question is not about what is jihad and types of it!

(May 08 at 21:47) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

Man looks like you like to talk a lot of smack, it's fine though, jihad is like what Abdul wasay said, if you're devout to Islam you'd follow jihad, do you even know if you're kind to an elderly person, you feed the poor, and you do deeds, this is a form of jihad. Not just war if you have anything to say please come to me, don't give my boy Abdul wasay a hard time ight..

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edited May 09 at 02:04 UmarAbdullah ♦ 40117 UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

I think you haven't read the question properly I didn't ask what is jihad and types of it as I am well aware of it. Two question are right at the top.

(May 08 at 21:46) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

the term jihad has come 45 times in Quran but not even a single time mean murder and violence. It s qital the word used for legitimate killing IN A GIVEN CIRCUMSTANCES

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answered 1816 arsalan86's gravatar image

Then it would be wrong if is say Taliban and al Qaeda are terrorist organisation.

(May 08 at 21:51) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

Man you aren't so well aren't you, ( http://youtu.be/csacEonYBn0 ) you're the Amsterdam fighter and I'm the Australian fighter lol!

(May 08 at 22:35) Muhammad noor qutawna Muhammad%20noor%20qutawna's gravatar image

Watch it @askislam2014 you'll understand

(May 08 at 22:35) Muhammad noor qutawna Muhammad%20noor%20qutawna's gravatar image

Muhammad can you meet me in PM at islam community?

(May 09 at 00:47) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

@Ninjablack666

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edited May 08 at 21:49

the word "Jihad" has been misunderstood throughout the world, its simple,

Jihad means "To struggle for sake of Allah S.w.t."

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answered 97218 TeenMuslim's gravatar image

Misused as well

(May 13 at 08:11) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

Not answered properly

(May 26 at 15:04) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image
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You know what guys I hate Talibans and al Qaeda. That's why I posted this question to take your opinions. Killing of innocents can't be justified and that's what terrorist do like taliban and al Qaeda

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The killing of innocents is haram in the islamic shariah.

(May 09 at 01:25) UmarAbdullah ♦ UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

hamas's quassim rockets kill civilians, not very often, but sometimes.

so are the taliban and al qaeda commiting haram acts? hamas? hezbollah? boko haram? ISIS?

when asked about the killing of women and children during the night raids on the polytheist, nuhammad said "they are of them".

(May 09 at 10:51) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image
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Asker: @mikejm4 think u are confused now, is this compulsory to give all the punishments mentioned shariah to ones who do an unlawful act? I am not saying you are dumb but dumb people don't understand the meaning and the purpose. The purpose is to give punishment . Simple is that. Look shariah law is quite extensive. It's not just based on chopping off someone's head or hands. As far as I know pakistans' constitution is based on Islamic law. There is not a single law in the constitution which contradicts with shariah law as far as I know. Look, in a state when want to bring to any changes to constitution you must win the election in area to represent them so you could bring any changes otherwise it's bullshit. Taliban are terrorist and they got rejected by the people in tribal areas. Group of 2000 people can't implement their views in 200 million people.

What is the difference between shariah and pakistani law? Just the way it is implemented and different types of punishments. Apart from everything is the same. You can't exploit one thing over 1000s. You understand what iam trying to say.

As far as it is concerned with punishments, it's just the purpose not the actions. Hazrat Abu Bakar refused to chop off someone's hand because he stole food for his family. In a country, like pakistan where majority of people are poor and struggling to get food you can't start chopping peoples hand.

I can give u an another example, prophet pbuh used to clean his teeth with masswaak, the purpose is to clean teeth not to use maswaak..

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the punishments that your supposed god commands are cruel and inhumane. to torture people is wrong. an all-knowing god would know this. don't you think.

you are right, i must be dumb. it seems so simple to me. i wouldn't stone someone to death, crucify them or cut off a hand or foot. i wouldn't lash people or gouge their eyes out. but muhammad did, so i guess that is all that matters. he ordered people killed for changing their religion. but you insist to hold him up as some example to follow.

so, we will continue to see this kind of behavior coming from mulsim countries.

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