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What does the Quran teach about our eternal destiny?

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closed Jun 30 at 18:06 123 AbduAllah ♦ 55018 123%20AbduAllah's gravatar image

The question is different and the explanation is different. This is making no sense.

(Jun 02 at 06:44) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

What the hell is that question and description has no match???

By killing ur self u would find out

(Jun 07 at 14:22) Modest4lyfeee Modest4lyfeee's gravatar image

The brother meant the question and title are not the same. And here at q&a we respect each other. Don't tell any one to kill . Themselves.

(Jun 07 at 22:49) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

I guess by making sure that you do not go to hell.

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The question has been closed for the following reason "Properly Answered Al Hamdu Le Allah" by 123 AbduAllah Jun 30 at 18:06

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Allah deals in unique fashion with people of book in Al-Imran.

55 And (remember) when Allah said: "O 'Iesa (Jesus)! I will take you and raise you to Myself and clear you [of the forged statement that 'Iesa (Jesus) is Allah's son] of those who disbelieve, and I will make those who follow you (Monotheists, who worship none but Allah) superior to those who disbelieve [in the Oneness of Allah, or disbelieve in some of His Messengers, e.g. Muhammad , 'Iesa (Jesus), Musa (Moses), etc., or in His Holy Books, e.g. the Taurat (Torah), the Injeel (Gospel), the Qur'an] till the Day of Resurrection. Then you will return to Me and I will judge between you in the matters in which you used to dispute."

56 "As to those who disbelieve, I will punish them with a severe torment in this world and in the Hereafter, and they will have no helpers."

57 And as for those who believe (in the Oneness of Allah) and do righteous good deeds, Allah will pay them their reward in full. And Allah does not like the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).

58 This is what We recite to you (O Muhammad ) of the Verses and the Wise Reminder (i.e. the Qur'an).

59 Verily, the likeness of 'Iesa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.

60 (This is) the truth from your Lord, so be not of those who doubt.

61 Then whoever disputes with you concerning him ['Iesa (Jesus)] after (all this) knowledge that has come to you, [i.e. 'Iesa (Jesus)] being a slave of Allah, and having no share in Divinity) say: (O Muhammad ) "Come, let us call our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves - then we pray and invoke (sincerely) the Curse of Allah upon those who lie."

62 Verily! This is the true narrative [about the story of 'Iesa (Jesus)], and, La ilaha ill-Allah (none has the right to be worshipped but Allah, the One and the Only True God, Who has neither a wife nor a son). And indeed, Allah is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.

63 And if they turn away (and do not accept these true proofs and evidences), then surely, Allah is All-Aware of those who do mischief.

64 Say (O Muhammad ): "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): Come to a word that is just between us and you, that we worship none but Allah, and that we associate no partners with Him, and that none of us shall take others as lords besides Allah. Then, if they turn away, say: "Bear witness that we are Muslims."

65 O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim (Abraham), while the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel) were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense?

66 Verily, you are those who have disputed about that of which you have knowledge. Why do you then dispute concerning that which you have no knowledge? It is Allah Who knows, and you know not.

67 Ibrahim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim Hanifa (Islamic Monotheism - to worship none but Allah Alone) and he was not of Al-Mushrikun (See V.2:105).

68 Verily, among mankind who have the best claim to Ibrahim (Abraham) are those who followed him, and this Prophet (Muhammad ) and those who have believed (Muslims). And Allah is the Wali (Protector and Helper) of the believers.

69 A party of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) wish to lead you astray. But they shall not lead astray anyone except themselves, and they perceive not.

70 O people of the Scripture! (Jews and Christians): "Why do you disbelieve in the Ayat of Allah, [the Verses about Prophet Muhammad present in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] while you (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth)."

71 O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians): "Why do you mix truth with falsehood and conceal the truth while you know?"

72 And a party of the people of the Scripture say: "Believe in the morning in that which is revealed to the believers (Muslims), and reject it at the end of the day, so that they may turn back.

We seldom refer to Quran before asking which is very sad. Allah has given us the book so we read and contemplate upon.

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edited Jun 30 at 16:33 123 AbduAllah ♦ 55018 123%20AbduAllah's gravatar image

Dear Masihi, thank you for a good question.

I will quote to you the writings of Sheikh Salih Al Munajjid on the subject, with some editing. The answer is going to be quite big, so I will break it down into points, and into two posts so that you can read the answer with ease inshaAllah.

Brief summary of the Islamic view regarding a guarantee of one’s destiny.

1# Islam offers a guarantee to every sincere Muslim who obeys Allaah and remains in this state of devotion until he dies, that he will definitely enter Paradise. Allaah says in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meanings):

But those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, We shall admit them to the Gardens under which rivers flow (i.e., in Paradise), to dwell therein forever. Allaah’s promise is the truth, and whose words can be truer than those of Allaah?.” [al-Nisa’ 4:122]

Allaah has promised those who believe and do deeds of righteousness, that for them there is forgiveness and a great reward (i.e., Paradise).” [al-Maa’idah 5:9]

(They will enter) ‘Adn (Eden) Paradise (everlasting Gardens), which the Most Beneficent (Allaah) has promised to His servants in the unseen: verily, His promise must come to pass.” [Maryam 19:61]

Say: ‘Is that (torment) better, or the Paradise of Eternity promised to the muttaqeen (pious and righteous persons)? It will be theirs as a reward and final destination.” [al-Furqaan 25:15]

But those who fear Allaah and keep their duty to their Lord (Allaah), for them are built lofty rooms, one above another, under which rivers flow (i.e., Paradise). (This is) the Promise of Allaah, and Allaah does not fail in (His) promise.” [al-Zumar 39:20]

2# Islam also guarantees the disbeliever who ignores the commands of Allaah that he will definitely enter Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meanings):

Allaah has promised the hypocrites, men and women, and the disbelievers, the Fire of Hell, therein shall they abide. It will suffice them. Allaah has cursed them and for them is the lasting torment.” [al-Tawbah 9:68]

But those who disbelieve, for them will be the Fire of Hell. Neither will it have a complete killing effect on them so that they die, nor shall its torment be lightened for them. Thus do We requite every disbeliever!” [Faatir 35:36]

Allaah will say to the disbelievers on the Day of Judgement (interpretation of the meaning):

This is Hell which you were promised! Burn therein this Day, for that you used to disbelieve!” [Yaa-Seen 36:63-64]

3# If one were to say that every person has a guarantee of Paradise, this would be utterly disastrous, because then everyone would commit all kinds of forbidden acts, feeling safe because of this guarantee. Many of the crimes committed by Jews and Christians have been done on the basis of this guarantee, with documents of forgiveness from their priests. Allaah has told us about such people (interpretation of the meaning):

“And they say, ‘None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.’ Say, ‘Produce your proof if you are truthful.’”[al-Baqarah 2:111]

For us Muslims, Paradise is not the matter of our own desires or the desires of anyone else, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“It will not be in accordance with your desires (Muslims), nor those of the People of the Scripture (Jews and Christians); whoever works evil will have the recompense thereof, and he will not find any protector or helper besides Allaah.” [al-Nisa’ 4:123]

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answered 40117 UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

So if I sincerely believe and do good deeds I am guaranteed paradise? What if I am sometimes do something wrong or have doubts about my belief? Will I go to hell?

(Jun 02 at 16:40) Masihi Masihi's gravatar image

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(Jun 30 at 16:10) Masihi Masihi's gravatar image

4# Allaah will not go back on His promise to either the believers or the disbelievers. He describes how both of them will be at the end of the Day of Judgement (interpretation of the meaning):

And the dwellers of Paradise will call out to the dwellers of the Fire (saying): ‘We have indeed found true what our Lord had promised us; have you also found true, what your Lord promised (warnings, etc.)?’ They shall say, ‘Yes.’ Then a crier will proclaim between them: ‘The Curse of Allaah is on the zaalimeen (polytheists and wrongdoers, etc.).” [al-A’raaf 7:44]

Everyone who believes and does righteous deeds, and dies in this state, will definitely enter Paradise. Everyone who disbelieves and does evil deeds, and dies in this state, will definitely enter Hell.

5# One of the great guiding principles of Islam is that the believer should tread a path between fear and hope. He should not take it for granted that he will enter Paradise, because this will make him complacent, and he does not know in what state he will die. Nor should he assume that he is going to Hell, because this is despairing of the mercy of Allaah, which is forbidden. So the believer does righteous deeds, and hopes that Allaah will reward him for them, and he avoids evil deeds out of fear of the punishment of Allaah. If he commits a sin, he repents in order to gain forgiveness and protect himself from the punishment of Hell. Allaah forgives all sins and accepts the repentance of those who repent. If a believer fears that the good deeds he has sent on before him are not enough, as you suggest, then he will increase his efforts, in fear and hope. No matter how many righteous deeds he has sent on before him, he cannot rely on them and take them for granted, or else he will be doomed. He keeps striving and hoping for reward, and at the same time he fears lest his deeds be contaminated with any element of showing off, self-admiration, or anything that will lead to them being rejected by Allaah. Allaah describes the believers (interpretation of the meaning):

… those who give that (their charity) which they give (and also do other good deeds) with their hearts full of fear (whether their alms and charity, etc.) have been accepted or not), because they are sure to return to their Lord (for reckoning).” [al-Mu’minoon 23:60]

So the believer keeps on striving, fearing and hoping, until he meets his Lord, believing in Tawheed (Divine Unity) and doing righteous deeds, and earns the pleasure of his Lord and Paradise. If you think about the matter, you will realize that these are the right motives for action, and that righteousness cannot be achieved in this life in any other way.

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answered 40117 UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

If I understand correctly, I live my life being a righteous as I can, living in fear of God and having a hope of paradise. When I sin I repent of it so that God will forgive me. Right?

What if I sin and I am not aware of it and therefore fail to repent? In other words, how do I know if I have repented from every sin? What if my life looks righteous but secretly I have evil motives or intents? What if I die in a sinful act and don't have time to repent?

(Jun 02 at 16:58) Masihi Masihi's gravatar image

Salaam beloved, inshallah I will like to add to the brother umar's beautiful answer may Allah reward him. In a hadith qudsi the Rasul saws said," on the day of judgement Allah will tell our father Adam AS to seperate his children into two groups those who will go to paradise and those who will go to hellfire. Adam replyed, my Lord how should I do this? Allah said to him," out of every thousand, nine hundred and ninety nine for hellfire, one for paradise. When the sahabah heard this they became sad, the Rasul saws seeing their faces then said, all of my ummah will go to paradise accept those who refuse. One of the sahabah asked, who would refuse? Those who donot obey me has refused." Salaam

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I thought there was some mention of the 999 being from the tribes of gog and magog. isn't that one of the arguments of them being human? that they are sons of adam.

boy, Muhammad really put himself over there, didn't he? just do what I say and you'll go to heaven. too bad no one can figure out what he was saying. 'don't kill women and children. - it's ok to kill women and children.' 'don't cut down trees, do cut down trees.'

did you see the American suicide bomber in Syria was from florida. born and raised. didn't speak arabic. yet someone convinced him to blow himself up for allah. sad.

(Jun 02 at 16:49) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

How can I know if I have obeyed enough to enter paradise? Do my good deeds need to more than my bad deeds?

(Jun 02 at 17:00) Masihi Masihi's gravatar image
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@Mashi verily Allah loves the doers of good, now will we fall short in our quest in following the best example? Yes we will, and that is the reason why salah is so important. For Allah has said that HE will forgive his servant that repents all of his sins even if they were as high mount uhud. Strive beloved for no one enters paradise accept through the mercy of Allah. Salaam

(Jun 03 at 11:30) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Mike the debate of if gog and magog are the 999 is do to some people claiming that gog and magog are the jews. I read a book that presents the arguement for this concept. What kills the arguement is that Allah told Adam to seperate his children meaning all of them and HE also gave him the ratio, the Rasul never said it was gog and magog so how can anyone else???????

(Jun 03 at 11:39) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

3#, the Christian doctrine of original sin has a negative effect because it does not require any duties of man other than to believe that God sent His son to this earth to be crucified and to die to atone for the sins of mankind. Thus a person becomes a Christian and is to earn the pleasure of God and be admitted to heaven. Moreover, the Christian believes that everything that happened to the son of God was only to atone for his sins, past present and future, so there is no need to wonder why Christian societies have seen such an increase in murder, rape, robbery, alcoholism and other problems. After all, did not Christ die to atone for their sins, and haven’t their sins been wiped out, so why should they stop doing these things?

Tell me, by your Lord, why do you sometimes punish murderers, or put criminals in jail, or punish them in other ways, if you believe that the criminal’s sins have all be atoned for and forgiven through the blood of Christ? Is this not a strange contradiction?

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Salam Brothers,

If I may offer one small comment:

According to Christian theology the fall of man through Adam created a divide between man and God (I will use this term, since both of you have). This divide was so great and so fundamental that only God could bridge it….could bring about reconciliation between Himself and man.

The means by which this reconciliation was achieved - and the only means by which it could be achieved - was the sacrificial death of Jesus.

(Jun 06 at 04:29) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

It is claimed that by his death Jesus atoned for the sin of Adam, and therefore reconciled God and man; making it possible for all who died before him, and all who would die after him, to be saved. Those who died before him, and who lived righteous lives, could now enter paradise…the gates, if you like, were now opened to them.

The doctrine of original sin says that all people are born in sin, but that because of the sacrifice of Jesus they need no longer remain in that state. This sin is wiped out by the rite of baptism.

(Jun 06 at 08:43) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

It is not true to say that Christians need no longer concern themselves with personal sin: that a Christian can do whatever he likes and still enter paradise. Christians are expected to confess their sins, and to seek forgiveness. They can receive forgiveness ONLY because Jesus made this possible by his death. Without that death no amount of repentance could save a person from condemnation.

I hope this helps.

(Jun 06 at 08:44) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

Thanks brother. Jazakallah Khair!

(Jun 06 at 09:03) UmarAbdullah ♦ UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

Anytime; brother! Salam.

(Jun 06 at 09:07) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

paul, you know anything about the Mormons? to them adam and jesus are the same being.

(Jun 06 at 11:07) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Salaam brother Paul. I got a quest for ya. Where did the name Jesus come from? And why do we call him that? Was it in fact his original birth name?...

(Jun 06 at 13:47) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Salaam beloved Sadie.

I trust you are well and happy.

Now now, little sister……don’t be naughty! You know perfectly well (I know you do) that the name ‘Jesus’ is not what he would have called himself….…or what he would have been known by, since the letter ‘J’ is not found in either Aramaic or in Hebrew.

I understand that the name ‘Jesus’ was written: ‘yod-shin-vav-ayin’ in Hebrew, and pronounced ‘Yeshua’, or ‘Yahshua’ (or even ‘Y’shua’).

(Jun 06 at 15:27) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

When the New Testament (NT) came to be written in Greek the transliteration became: ‘Iesous’ (pronounced YAY-soos). In the Latin this became (and is to this day): ‘Iesus’ (pronounced YAY-zoo).

When, eventually, the NT was written in English it became: ‘Jesus’. The reason for this (it is said) is that in the English of that time the letter ‘J’ was pronounced ‘Y’; and so I suppose that someone reading the name in those days would have sounded: ‘Yesus’, or ‘Yesous’. This is a pure guess, of course, since I was not around at the time!

(Jun 06 at 15:28) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

I used the word ‘Jesus’ in my comment simply because this is the word used by the brothers I was addressing (in the same manner I used the word: ‘God’). It would have been impolite (and perhaps a wee bit ‘showy’) to have used different words.

As Shakespeare said: ‘That which we call a rose, by any other name would smell as sweet!’

Oh, in Welsh the name 'Jesus' is written: 'Iesu' (pronounced YEH-see).

You have a good day now, In šāʾ Allāh.

(Jun 06 at 15:30) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

Insha I'll have a a good day. And you also beloved. Now back to the change of the name. So once the greeks got ahold of translating they changed the name yhashua which means Yahweh is our salvation. Jesus Meaning nothing. Interesting? So how many people today call The Hebrew Messiah by a name in which He knows Not. Naughty? Might not never be that. Salaam

(Jun 06 at 18:22) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Salam beloved Sadie,

LOL, but you won’t let go of this name thing…….that’s for sure. Well, perhaps it’s a matter of not trusting Greeks bearing translations.

As a child brought up in a Christian home I had no trouble understanding that Jesus was the name used to identify what I then believed to be the literal Son of God; and that the name itself translated as: ‘God with us’.

(Jun 07 at 12:15) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

You ask how many people today call the ‘Hebrew Messiah by a name in which He knows Not’; by which I assume you mean the name he could not have been given (for reasons I’ve described above). I suppose the answer is: ‘As many as have a bible with that name in it.’ If it’s a Russian bible the name will be ‘Иисус’; if Ukrainian then ‘Ісус’; if Irish, or Italian, or Chinese then Íosa, or Gesù, or 耶稣 (yē sū) respectively. An Arabic-speaking Christian will refer to Jesus as Yasūʿ; and an Arabic-speaking Muslim as ʿĪsā.

(Jun 07 at 12:16) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

There is a trend among Christian Zionists to refer to Jesus as ‘Yeshua’. They do this because of their craving to forge links with Zionist Israel……to ‘return to their Jewish roots’.

There are some who say that the name used by Arabic-speaking Christians (Yasūʿ) is the correct one, in that it mirrors the Hebrew ‘Yeshua’; and that the name ‘ʿĪsā’, as found in the Qur’an is false.

They claim that the Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam) either invented the name; or else was duped by the Jews of his day into using it. Both claims are used to persuade us that the Qur’an itself is false.

(Jun 07 at 12:16) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

My opinion (crudely put) is this: When Paul decided that Jesus was to be made the ‘Son of God’ his followers searched the Old Testament for some ‘prophetic’ name or reference they could pin to Jesus in order to justify their claim that he was divine. They chose ‘Yeshua’…….Immanuel…..(Jesus)…..God with Us. They placed this name (a genuine and common name) into the mouth of Gabriel. And this name stuck. It never was his name. It is a lie.

To repeat….…this is only my opinion.

You have a good day now, In šāʾ Allāh.

(Jun 07 at 12:16) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

No I'm not done with you yet. Bc yhashua means Yahweh is our salvation. So changing it to anything else is evil and miss leading. Paul you must read the book we sent you. :) insha Allah.

(Jun 07 at 12:26) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Salam beloved.

I am saying that putting the name 'Jesus' into the mouth of Gabriel was a lie intended to convince us that the son of Mary was divine. It's not just that the name of Yahweh was changed...it's that it was changed to execute a deceit. We are in agreement... it was, and is, an evil.

(Jun 07 at 12:59) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

Mashae'allah brother Paul. I'm satisfied.. For now. Salaam p.s i really do want to know how the readings going...

(Jun 07 at 22:51) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image
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Aslam-o-alaikum

Follow the Quran and the Sunnah, and you will reach your paradise.

And whoever does righteous good deeds, male or female, and is a (true) believer [in the Oneness of Allah (Muslim)], such will enter paradise and not the least injustice, even to the size of a speck on the back of a date-stone, will be done to them. [4:124]

Beautified is the life of this world for those who disbelieve, and they mock at those who believe. But those who obey Allah's Orders and keep away from what He has forbidden, will be above them on the Day of Resurrection. And Allah gives (of His Bounty, Blessings, Favours, Honours on the Day of Resurrection) to whom He wills without limit. [2:212]

And whosoever obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), then they will be in the company of those on whom Allah has bestowed His Grace, of the Prophets, the Siddiqun (those followers of the Prophets who were first and foremost to believe in them, like Abu Bakr As-Siddiq (رضي الله عنه), the martyrs, and the righteous. And how excellent these companions are! [4:69]

Jazakallah Khair

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Salaam the Qur'an says to believe in all the books and messangers. How come many Muslims do not study the Torah or,Ingeel?

(Jun 06 at 19:17) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Because the teachings are same. In general sense, the Quran is complete and perfect, and is last book of Allah to be revealed to mankind; so there is no need to study Torah or Injeel and by this I don't prohibit reading them, provided we study our own deen first.

And this might be a very weak assumption but due to lack of studying our own deen the Muslims can be deviated from the truth. This is because there are some inventions in those books by the jews which the Muslims might perceive to be the word of Allah if they don't have sufficient knowledge about their own deen in the first place.

(Jun 06 at 19:40) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

Also Muslims must believe in the former scriptures but to practice on those books is impractical as there is mixture of man element in them. Hope I answered your query.

(Jun 06 at 19:47) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

.@Masihi, some of what you say has some truth to it al hamdulilah, however you are somewhat confused. The Way has nothing to do with so called christianity and this is by concept. In acts 26:11 it states and I qoute, the disciples were first called christian at antioch. So this title is not one that Yahshua the hebrew messiah gave to his followers, it was incorporated after he returned to Allah. Christianity concept is another thing that has nothing to do with the hebrew messiah and hellenised paul knew this all to well as he stated in Acts 24:14. Here he lays the concept of what the way is and when you compare what he said to the hellenised concept of jesus christo the greco roman fabrication it does not line up. You know as I do that the christian concept which derived out of the nicene council of 325, with the debate between Arian and Anathasius is not what the hebrew messiah brought and taught. True Allah has instructed theRasuls saws look to the scriptures of the people of the book. However the injeel is not the books or letters written by paul and the gospel writers, at this council and others after it the teachings of the way was deemed herasy and replaced with the Anathasius creed which was implemented by constantine which the foundation of christianity stands on this very day. The affects of hellenism is very real and we are still caught in its sneer not just christian muslims as well. The sect called mu tizillah is upon the hellenistic philosphy. I'm glad to see that you use the correct names but you still cling to the demon concept. Yahshua the hebrew messiah followed the laws of Yahweh the exalted and he taught his true followers to do the same. Bear in mind, under the law only Yahweh can be singled out for worship. Salaam

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I discussed this previously in this work , I told you that the servant was a general term used in Isaiah and not an individual , now I will show you why. Let's begin in the commentary of the Hebrew Greek study bible verses 42: 1-9 , " this is the first of four "servant songs" in Isaiah . In reaction to the Christian teaching that these prophecies of Jesus Christ , Jewish theologians identify the "servant "in these passages as the People Of Israel . I am going to stop at this point to make a crucial point that you the reader must not miss. The commentary states that the Jewish scholars identify : the servant" in these passages as the people of Israel. Now , the heading for chapter 42 , in Isaiah in my bible says . " the servant of the lord ", as does the heading in Isaiah in Isaiah 49, this meaning we are speaking of the same servant. The Christian doctrine teaches this servant is Jesus Christos , the Greco roman fabrication , But I will prove them wrong ( most high Willing) from what the scriptures says. I beg you the reader to remove The spell of ignorance ( meaning one who ignores facts) and see things for what they are and not for what you want them to be. With that said lets proceed ! Isaiah 49: 1-7,

Listen to me , you islands ;hear this, you distant nations: before I was born the lord called me ; from my birth he has mention of my name. (vs 2) He made my mouth the a sharpened sword, in the shadow of his hand , he hid me. he made me into a polished arrow and concealed me in his quiver. (vs3)He said to me , You are my servant of Israel in whom I will be glorified . (vs4) then I said (Israel said) I have labored in vain ; I have spent my strength in vain and for nothing . Yet surely my just reward is with the lord and my work with my god. (vs5) And now the lord says who formed me in the womb to be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself for I am ( Israel) honored in the eyes of the lord and my god has been my strength.  (vs6) Indeed he says: it is to small a thing for you to be my servant, to restore the tribes of Jacob and bring back the preserved ones of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light for the gentiles, that you (Israel) may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth. (vs7) this is what the lord says the redeemer and holy one of Israel to him (Israel) who was despised and abhorred by the nations to the servant of rulers: kings will see you and rise up, princes will see you and bow down, because of the Lord who is faithful;, The holy one of Israel .  
Yahweh said in verse 3 that "Israel is His servant" , in whom Yahweh will be glorified. know that Yahweh is speaking to " the people of Israel". Now ask yourself this question , "Is Yahweh being glorified in Christianity?" They need to make the connection to solidify the deification of jesus that was done by paul and authenticated at the Nicene council with the inseption and innovation of the trinity , which has no basis in the scriptures Yahshua the Hebrew Messiah tells the Israelites who they are in Matthew 5: 13-16

   You are the salt of the earth . But if the salt loses its saltiness , how can it be made salty again ? it is no longer good for nothing , except to be thrown out and be trampled by men. You are the light of the world . A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither to people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on a stand , and give light to everyone in the house. In the same way , let your light shine before men that they may see your good works and praise your father in heaven. 
In the days that Yahshua , the Hebrew messiah walked the earth the tribes of Israel were under the lure Of Hellenism, this fact has been thoroughly dealt with in this work. In the days Isaiah walked the earth the tribes of Israel were under the lure of paganism, which was practiced around them by the Canaanites, and they used to go to the high places and worship Gad and Meni, two pagan deities. They also were sacrificing their children to Molech in the fire, which I spoke on both previously in this work. Israel the servant of Yahweh ( the exalted) had lost there saltiness that Yhashua , the Hebrew Messiah , pointed out to them. In Isaiah Yahweh ( the exalted) told them that he was going to make them a light to the gentiles , so Israel may bring his salvation to the ends of the earth. But in the time of Yahshua , the Hebrew Messiah, the light was out , do to Hellenism , as things are today, Yahweh ( the exalted) was not being worshipped. His holy name (Yahweh) was replaced by pagan names, and the doctrine that surrounds his messiah "is of the devil!" Had not Paul and his cohorts tampered with the teachings of Yhashua the Hebrew messiah, then Yahweh's salvation would have been brought to the ends of the earth under the light of the preserved Israelites that Yahweh ( the exalted ) said he kept. it is a fact that Christianity is neither the light nor the means that Yahweh's (the exalted) salvation is moved to the ends of the earth. It is Christianity  which has dimed the light of the Israelites for the darkness and misguidance of Hellenized Christianity , so sad, but true! Now let's return to the commentary in the Hebrew Greek study bible on Isaiah 42:1-9 and I quote,

   There are problems with this view, however including the fact that Israel is presented as the beneficiary of the servants actions ( Isaiah 49:6 ) . Another difficulty arises from the statement that the servant suffers vicariously for the sins of others ( Isaiah 53:4-6. There were no righteous people in Israel who could suffer for others (jer. 5:1) and the constant prophetic message was that they would suffer for their own sins. (jer.25:1-11) The servant is clearly said to be an individual ( Isaiah 52:13, 53:12 ) , are references to the future events that exclude historical characters ( Isaiah42:3-4, 49:5, 53:4, 6:11) go infinitely beyond man's capabilities. These passages can only refer to Christ .
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to be continued

(Jun 15 at 12:37) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

If you notice the end of the commentary confirms the Hellenized mind behind it . These passages can only can only refer to Christ! Why ? Because he was not a man , and the passages spoken about in the commentary , go infinitely beyond man's capabilities. At the beginning of the excerpt the problem being spoke about is the position of the Jewish scholars. So now we must investigate the so called problems of the mindset that places Jesus Christ ,the Greco - roman fabrication , more than a man and being that he is Greco- Roman he is not an Israelite . The commentary states the first problem stems from the fact that the Jewish scholars has taken this view which contradicts the doctrine being given to the sleeping masses that are under the spell of ignorance. So let's read what the new American bible say about the commentary on Isaiah 49:3, for it is the verse that sets the tone and is the stumbling block for the Hellenized mind , just as the law and circumcision was for Hellenized Paul. Isaiah 49:3

 The servant is identified with the people of Israel as their ideal representative; however, since verse 5 seem (58)to distinguish the servant from Israel , some  regard Israel as a gloss. now let's define the word gloss: " try to conceal or disguise by treating it briefly or representing it misleading." 
(58) "seem" : used to suggest in a cautious , guarded, or polite way that something is true or fact.

The next problem the Hebrew Greek study Bible commentary is that Israel is presented as he beneficiary of the servants actions. This makes no sense for the verse is self explanatory . The only benefit Israel the servant will receive is if they conform as the preserved ones of Israel that Yahweh says in the N.I.V Bible that he has kept. For these are the small remnants that held fast in the face of persecution and torture, and many died for their actions all in the name of Yahweh.( The exalted) So when the commentary alludes to Isaiah 53:4-6 as confirmation as the servants suffering, attributing it to the jesus Greco roman fabrication , They are reaching for straws. First and foremost it is not a fact that the messiah was pierced and keep in mind what the New American bible States and I quote again,

   Luke 24:26; That the messiah should suffer. Luke is the only New testament write to speak explicitly of a suffering messiah. The idea of a suffering Messiah is not found in the old testament or in other Jewish literature prior to the New testament period, although the ides is hinted at in mark.  
please keep this fact in mind.

It is a fact that Isaiah is in the old testament; now read the verses with the spell listed and you will see clearly that the tribes of Israel had suffered more than any man could have on a cross. They endured centuries of suffering due to their disobedience to Yahweh ( the exalted). So when the commentary states that, 'There were no righteous people in Israel who could suffer for others , " and they used Jer. 5:1 as their proof. They have negated one fact that Isaiah 49:6 says in part... " To restore the preserved ones of Israel I have kept." It is Yahweh that kept them. So What are the commentators basing this statement on ? Oh! I remember Jer. 5:1, So let's investigate. " Run to and fro in the streets of Jerusalem ; see now and know ; and seek in her open places, if you can find a man , if there is any one who executed judgment , who seeks the truth, and I will pardon her" (jer. 5:1)

This is a prime example of how one uses a verse in the bible that does not apply, as I have shown about Isaiah 7;14 and Matthew 1:23 , to solidify a point. How can you use something going on in Jeremiah to apply with something in Isaiah and they lived a century or so apart from each other. and the circumstances were different? This only proves that the Jewish scholars have said and that is " The servant song is talking about the people of Israel, and not about anyone else". Now if you the reader are still under the spell of ignorance, Then accept this fact , the soul you save will be your own! Another point I need to make concerns Isaiah 9:6-7

  For to us a child is born, to us a son is given , and the government will be on his shoulder. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Might God, Everlasting Father , Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and his peace there will be no End. He will Reign On David's throne and over his kingdom , establishing and upholding it with justice and righteousness from that time on and forever.  The zeal of the lord will accomplish this. ( Isaiah 9:6-7)

Now lets see what the New American Bible commentary says about whom this child is and I quote'

A child: The Immanuel of Isaiah 7:14. In Christian tradition and liturgy , this passage is used to refer to Christ . Upon his dominion rests: authority, wonderful counselor : remarkable for his wisdom and prudence. God- hero: a warrior and a defender of his people like god himself. Father forever: ever devoted to his people. Prince of peace : his reign will be characterized by peace.
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Continued..

(Jun 15 at 14:26) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

is this an article or an answer?

(Jun 15 at 15:20) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

This brother Is Pristine Facts and Information That I am getting out of The Book Hellenism in which My Husband Yaqin wrote. salaam

(Jun 15 at 16:34) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

Dear Mr Masihi,

My words were addressed to Brother Abdul rather than to you. But never mind.

I've read your reply, but am not going to answer it. Instead I am going to give you a testimony (Muslims tend to avoid such indulgences, and I have never been comfortable with them. But: ‘to every thing there is a season’).

I went to my first Welsh Baptist chapel in 1948, at the age of three. I learned my basic Christianity from my grandfather (a much respected Elder of that same chapel at a time when that meant something). He was a collier; and a man who could read scripture in Welsh, English, Hebrew and Greek. He was a man who lived his faith far better than I ever did.

Over the years I moved away from my Baptist roots; becoming, in due order, an angry young man who hated ‘God’; an enemy of Christians - one who loved nothing more than to join in their debates, and for no other reason than to create as much havoc as I could (and believe me I could).

If I could have destroyed their faith I would have done so, and with as much enthusiasm and satisfaction as any Saul of Tarsus.

In time, I fell among friends who were members of Catholic religious orders. I became a Catholic myself; then a candidate for the priesthood in a Cistercian monastery; and then (having discovered that I had no vocation after all) a husband; and then a father and grandfather to both Christians and Muslims. It has been a very interesting journey...at least for me!

As you say, I have a reasonable level of knowledge. I’ve studied dogmatic, pastoral and biblical theology; and biblical exegesis; and learned Christian apologetics from the works of the Church Fathers (especially Augustine of Hippo, Irenaeus of Lyons, John Chrysostom and Tertullian); and from those of St Thomas Aquinas (for whom I have a particular fondness to this day). I've participated in more interfaith debates than I care to remember; and learned, many years ago, that when it comes to religious argument there really is 'nothing new under the sun'; only a rehash of all that has been said before.

Mr Masihi, I know you very well. I’ve known you for years, and by the hundreds…..Hey, I’ve even been you......on so many many occasions.

I respect your conviction and your enthusiasm; and I understand your desire to convert hearts and minds to your way of thinking. Trust me, I am one of those you cannot convert....and I have no desire to convert you....or to engage in a futile 'chasing after wind...'. With many more years behind me than before I can find better things to do!

I wish you well, as I am bound to do. But think on this:

When the Meccan idolaters suggested to the Prophet (sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam) that, as a compromise, he should worship their gods for a year and they should worship his for a year he replied:

‘Say (Prophet): “Disbelievers; I do not worship what you worship; you do not worship what I worship. I will never worship what you worship; you will never worship what I worship. You have your religion and I have mine”’.

(Al-Kafirun: all verses).

I have nothing more to say on this matter.

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Alhamdulillah.

(Jun 27 at 07:44) UmarAbdullah ♦ UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

If I may you are more like Yusuf Estes in some sort of way. Very good answer though.

(Jun 27 at 10:50) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

LOL. In some sort of way....oh dear! (only kidding). Have a great Ramadhan.

(Jun 27 at 10:59) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

I appreciate you sharing your background, I figured you had some Christian background. If a person's testimony honors God I see no problem sharing it with others.

I have learned more about Islam since interacting on this site and I appreciate the experience here.

I have attempted to focus on the CORE difference between Islam and Christianity with respect to our eternal destiny which is of utmost importance. I have tried not to tear down Islam but I have pointed to some weaknesses, and I hope not to offend. I am a seed planter who leaves the increase to Yahweh.

(Jun 28 at 00:23) Masihi Masihi's gravatar image

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