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About treatment of Christians in Islam? Reference to the Hadith of passing them on the streets.

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U know what we gonna do as usual

(Jun 05 at 13:32) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

@askislam if u gonna do this then we gonna poke ur back with lit cigarette

(Jun 07 at 13:56) Modest4lyfeee Modest4lyfeee's gravatar image

What is your obsession with this hadith, Mike?

All it means is that you do not give them the middle of the road out of honor/respect, going out of your way to do that for them. You continue to use the middle of the road (priority for Muslims) but if they use the middle it doesn't mean you get violent or literally push them to the edge. (We are forbidden from harming Ahl al-Dhimmah - and they are expected not to harm Muslims either). Hope that makes sense.

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answered 6036 iLove01's gravatar image
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i'm obsessed with islam as a whole. jinn, gog and magog. killing black dogs, sharia (apostasy, blasphemy, zina, etc etc.) is obsession for knowledge a great sin too, now?

so, if a group of non-muslims are in the middle of the road. and a group of muslims come down the middle of the road and the non-muslims will not cede the middle of the road. what do the muslims do? do you stand your ground and not let the kuffar pass? do you cede the middle of the road and move to the side? or would that be a dishonor?

(Jun 04 at 10:35) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

If the world is game of power, then what America doing is very justified. If Muslims can push someone down the road just because they were in power and so called superior. Then any non muslim has an equal right to do the same or worse with Muslims. If usa attacks on some Muslim country and kills Muslims , we make too much noise and protest against USA but we don't protest when muslim do the same. Our history is full of wars and even in Quran there is too much stuff about wars. Basically ilove is saying the right thing. I agree with him but then at the same time I agree with Israel as well.

(Jun 05 at 13:41) Askislam2014 Askislam2014's gravatar image

Mike - If the road is wide and both groups can pass through middle, it’s fine. If it is crowded and one group has to move to the side, then yes. Muslims stand their ground and make it so that the Jews/Christians move. And just to be clear - in an Islamic state where the Jews/Christians accept to be subjugated, they will probably not behave stubbornly like that, trying to make a confrontation.

And no - not a sin to ask/learn. Just wondering why you focus on this minor topic specifically, when there's so many more important topics which can be discussed.

(Jun 06 at 04:22) iLove01 iLove01's gravatar image
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AskIslam - Superiority comes with righteousness. Not with power. Take the example of the tyrant Pharaoh in power who Allah condemned. Nothing righteous about his actions. Nothing righteous about US actions in the Middle East. And the Muslim Ummah is superior to other nations because of their adherence to God’s religion and their belief, and the fact that Believers enjoin right and forbid wrong. Muslims and non-Muslims are not equal, so they are to be treated differently.. in this life and in the next when Allah gives each what they deserve (Paradise, Hell).

(Jun 06 at 04:23) iLove01 iLove01's gravatar image
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Furthermore, Muslims are actually fair. We condemn wrong-doing on both our side and their side but they are the ones who do most of the transgressions, on a state-level (state terrorism). With Muslims you will only find isolated incidents.

(Jun 06 at 04:23) iLove01 iLove01's gravatar image
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& there's a huge difference between the unjust wars that the USA STARTS (to steal oil, to prop their puppet leaders in those areas who will be friendly to them and allow their evil actions to continue, etc) and the wars that Muslims fought in as mentioned in Qur’an which were justified (in defense, in order to end oppression, etc).

(Jun 06 at 04:24) iLove01 iLove01's gravatar image

Even today Muslims are fighting invaders into their country. Just look at the facts - it is non-Muslim countries invading Muslim countries, not the other way around. That alone speaks volumes enough. But you are blind to it all, aren’t you? Instead you “agree with Israel” which is a product of injustice and terrorism.

(Jun 06 at 04:24) iLove01 iLove01's gravatar image

ilove01, you would have made a good white southerner in America in the 50s and 60s. not until that uppity MLK, the Negros knew to yield the middle of the road to the whites. so now you tell me you are superior to me because you believe in a mythical god? so i'll ask again. if I refuse to yield to you (on a narrow road). what are you going to do about it? I tell you right now, I refuse to be subjugated to you and your moron prophet and idiot of a god.

(Jun 06 at 10:46) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

I stop talking to people such as you the moment they disrespect my beloved Prophet صلى الله عليه وسلم. This conversation is over. And until you apologize, I am not so much as even acknowledging your existence from here on out. Peace.

(Jun 06 at 20:27) iLove01 iLove01's gravatar image

aw, poor little tough guy, who is going to push me off the road. his feelings are hurt. he wishes me peace after saying he will physically remove me from the center of the road. lol.

keep drinking the kool-aid buddy. your "superiority" is laughable.

y'all can't even beat 15 million jews. hell there are only 5 million in israel. i don't think they are accepting your "subjugation". lol. they don't seem to be yeilding the middle of the road to you.

(Jun 07 at 09:38) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Muslims are looking for Jewish on the street so they can pushed them down but the problem is they wouldn't find any as they all wi be flying in air hahahahaha

(Jun 07 at 14:02) Modest4lyfeee Modest4lyfeee's gravatar image

that's funny. my dad went to the war college in DC in 1987. they showed cockpit footage from the six days war. he said: 1st day the Israeli jet would get behind an Egyptian plane and get radar lock, fire the missle, hit the Egyptian and the pilot would eject. 2nd day, the jew would get radar lock and the Egyptian would eject before the jew fired the missile. 3rd day the jew would get radar lock, fire the mislle and there Egyptian pilot never ejected.

(Jun 09 at 11:01) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image
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Wow. Dude, how many times have you asked this question?

You have to understand that there are different types of Muslims. Some believe in bombing and attacking people for absolutely no reason, ignoring the Qur'an completely (Taliban or whatever they're called). The others (the majority), us, actually take heed of what the Qur'an says and, as it tells us to treat everyone equally, we do so, and don't 'push Jews and Christians to the narrow side of the road.' It also depends on who narrated that Hadith, cos they might be a different type of Muslim, hence that stupid statement. And even if Allah did say that, do you really think Muslims are stupid enough to believe it, and not question it or its sources?

And whatever iLove01 said, too.

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I think this is the 3rd time. once in a comment section when ilove01 said co-existence is of satan. and then here as a question. and now the third time to try to get ilove01 to tell me what should happen if I meet him on a road and I refuse to yield. are we coming to blows or what?

dude, you didn't just really ask me if "muslims are stupid enough to believe it", did you? come on now, some are stupid enough to blow themselves up.

www.islamqa.info/en/26785

looks like in sahih muslim. second most authenticated collection after bukhari. right?

did you see the video of the brit?

(Jun 04 at 11:08) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

paul, it just hit me. or bowled me over. maybe that van driver was a muslim.

(Jun 04 at 11:34) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Sure was. So was the taxi driver who took me to hospital, waited three hours (unasked) while I was being treated,and then paid half of my £300 hospital charge (it was very late and I didn't have enough cash on me). And so were the medics who treated me.

(Jun 04 at 12:37) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

what? i thought y'all had free healthcare? what is the NHS? maybe you should have called a lawyer? some guy hits you and you have to pay the hospital bill? were you crossing against the light? jaywalking? now i'm starting to worry about this whole, "do you pardon the driver" thing. i thought you popped right up and were on your way. if you required a hospital visit, you shouldn't have to pay for that. or wosre your cab driver. what in the world kind of system are y'all running in jolly old england? or wales, whatever? don't you have a credit card at least? smh.

(Jun 05 at 10:31) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Sorry Mike but I thought I'd mentioned it was in Morocco. That's where my son and his family live. No NHS there. Having said that...the service was a lot better than I'd get here.

(Jun 05 at 10:43) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

lol. i thought you were going to say it was in a muslim country. i didn't think wales was that overrun with muslims, yet? if you had said that i don't remember. you said shopping precint and i thought you had gone to vistit one of your daughters? it was your son. my memory isn't what it used to be. so the cop spoke english? you sure this cabbie isn't talking yo for a ride? maybe he knows the hospital will be reimbursed by NHS and if you repay him, the hospital will repay him as well? strikes me as odd that he would sit for 3 hours? smells fishy to me.

(Jun 05 at 11:16) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

LOL. It happened exactly the way I described it, Mike. Surely a Florida taxi man would have done the same? And yes, the cop spoke English! You have a good day now.

(Jun 05 at 13:21) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

My bad, Mike. It was about a year ago when I mentioned that my son lived in Morocco. I assumed you'd remember. As my wife loves to say: 'Never assume.....it makes (wait for it....) ...it makes an ass of u and me!' See what I have to put up with.

(Jun 05 at 13:34) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

does NHS not reimburse foreign hospitals? don't tell me y'all travel at your own risk in foreign lands.

wait for it.... you a fan of Neil Patrick harries in 'how I meet your mother'?

(Jun 06 at 11:02) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Travel insurance, Mike. And who is Neil Patrick Harries?

(Jun 07 at 12:22) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

Superior muslim= poverty, no food and water, beggars, no shelter, no scientific knowledge

(Jun 07 at 13:59) Modest4lyfeee Modest4lyfeee's gravatar image

you have to buy private travel insurance? NHS doesn't cover you outside the UK?

harris, my bad, typo. he's an actor. doogy howser. barney in 'how I meet your mother'. he says, "it will be legeeeeennnndddddd...wait for it......dairy." that's his catch phrase. no matter.

anyway, once you become a muslim, are you going to join love and wasway in pushing me from the middle of the road? or is that just the Welshman in ya? I had a football coach once. shorty welsh, and he would drove right on the center yellow line. said it was because he was welsh.

(Jun 09 at 10:57) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Yeah, we aren't used to new-fangled stuff like automobiles in Wales, so we have to stick to the centre line in case we get lost.

(Jun 09 at 11:36) Paulus Paulus's gravatar image

so you don't want to answer me? I mean being an ex-rugby guy, you might be the only one with an oomph behind them. most the muslims I've seen seem small and weak. without you I don't think they will be able to move me.

who was that, The Pretends? "in the middle of the road....."

make way for the muslims, they are your superiors. sorry man, I can't stop laughing. you have a good one. don't forget, priority to muslims.

(Jun 09 at 11:48) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image
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my brother!

You have the right mind set 7bibi! Islam was the last message of allah so therefore it is the most true. If you push person of another religion to the side and they refuse or push back, you must pray to allah to give you the strength to overcome. in quran it says you can marry christian or jew, but muslim is always preferable. christians and jews are our brothers and sisters, but muslims are more brother and sisters

may allah be with you my brothers and sisters

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Hey Mike please watch this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hEcRwCDBhc

This is by an Australian brother who performed for us spoken word (I think) in a conference.

Also watch this if you have time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYCrtHSDo8Q Fast forward it in the middle if you cannot be patient. May Allah guide you!

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answered 40117 UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

Mike I will lock your questions if you are repetitive in your questions in the future. For now I will just give a reply.

‘Give way (i.e., walk to the sides) as it is not appropriate for you to walk in the middle the road.’ Thereafter, women would walk so close to the wall that their dresses would get caught on it. [Narrated by Abu Dawood in "Kitab al-Adab min Sunanihi, Chapter: Mashyu an-Nisa Ma’ ar-Rijal fi at-Tariq]

Therefore it doesn't only apply to non-muslims. Now I am pretty sure you will question about the inferiority of the woman, to which I have also an answer.

Wife completes half deen, daughter opens the gates of Janna, and paradise lies under the feet of the mother.

So lets get to the actual hadith and compare it to the current world. Suppose your president Obama walks in the middle of the road then I am pretty sure people would give way to him. Ok to illustrate lets see this picture:

So does this make other Americans inferior?

One of the interpretations of this hadith is that the Muslims should keep walking in the direction they are travelling (and this is the one which is most logical as well) which automatically pushes Jews or Christians to the sides. OK let me make this easy again:

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So if I am walking in the middle of the pavement then other people would pass on the sides of me. Thus your conclusion of inferiority is invalid.

Now it comes to you, whether you perceive this to be inferiority of yourself because I am not here to force you to be convinced but to answer.


So what is meant is that just as you should not initiate the greeting with them, you should not make way for them if you meet them; rather you should keep going in the direction in which you were headed, and let them be constricted if the road is not wide enough. There is nothing in this hadeeth to put people off Islam, rather it is a manifestation of the pride of the Muslim, and shows that he does not humble himself before anyone except his Lord.

[Majmoo' Fataawa Ibn 'Uthaymeen, 3/38, ]

And no mocking or argumentative comments from you as I won't answer them. Others may make a debate with you as they wish.

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answered 8588 abdul_wasay's gravatar image
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wow, lovely pictures. yes, i've read the islamqa guy's fatwa on this. MY QUESTION IS: if i'm the red arrow and i don't turn 45degrees to the left or right, but rather continue in a straight line as the black arrow does. then what happens. turn your picture a quarter turn and we now have this ---> <---

so what is the muslim going to do? you going to physically push me? you going to stab me? try to cut off my head. shoot me? get the religious police to throw me in jail. WHAT?

btw, i perceive no inferiority in myself. it was ilove01 who claims superiority.

(Jun 07 at 09:31) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

You walk through where you have space.

There is space on the side of the road. And this isn't a battle: ---><--

Side note: don't get emotional ...stab me, cut my head off? I don't know what you are trying to do in these forums but try to put people off Islam but Allahmdullilah you haven't succeeded yet.

You can try as many tactics as you want but ultimately the last tactician will be Him.

(Jun 07 at 12:19) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

it is your 'brother' who means to subjugate me. wars have been started for less.

so you will go to the space on the side of the road, and allow me the middle?

(Jun 07 at 12:23) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

You are here for arguments and not answers.

I don't know who subjugated you and that is wrong. ilove is at fault for being impatient with you as you might have less knowledge about Islam, but you are at fault as well.

Your fault is that you have no respect for beliefs of others, and your choice of words is attacking and mocking. You argue with people as if you want to win this argument so badly. You can present your answer with touch of curiosity such as: "does this imply superiority?" rather than the biased form: "addressing superiority"

Are you genenuinly interested in Islam?

(Jun 07 at 12:44) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

The answer seems to be "no" ,and your tone in the questions and comments can tell many (or some or few) people that.

So are you achieving anything here? Again I don't say leave the forum but you are really wasting time here if you aren't here to gain anything.

Of course the rest is up to you.

(Jun 07 at 12:44) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

i'm here, at least on this particular question, to find out if YOU mean to push me from the middle of the road, so that YOU may use the middle while I must tear my clothes on the side. i'm here to find out if YOU and all your fellow muslims believe themselves to be my superior? yes, I am genuinely interested in the answer to this question. so far it is a YES. but it seems that getting a straight answer out of a muslim is as hard as getting one out of a politician. but your diagram speaks a thousand words.

lol. now you lecture me on how to speak. your arrogance is boundless. sieg heil wasway.

(Jun 09 at 10:47) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

but I still don't know what it is that YOU and your muslim buddies are going to do when I don't yield the middle of the road to you?

(Jun 09 at 10:49) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image
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Hi says the Jew. good day says The Christian. Help! What do Muslims do? Do Muslims make funny faces at them? Curse them and stab them (with a knife?) no way. You've got it all wrong. Watch Muslim meet BBC (note: I cannot verify the translation) : https://youtube.com/watch?v=OhI7MViWQKY

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answered 40117 UmarAbdullah's gravatar image

i've got what wrong? i've been told that muslims will push the christian and the jew to the narrow side of the road. so what happens if i refuse to be pushed? simple question.

(Jun 07 at 09:49) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Mike, do you know what you've got wrong? You do not understand the Hadith and do not even know what it is implying. Go and study Islam, the Quran and about the Prophet PBUH and then come and ask those questions! Stop wasting your time, go and comprehend the Religion or any religion then ask those questions.

(Jun 09 at 11:09) Mazoozqwe Mazoozqwe's gravatar image

you are right, I do not understand what it is implying. so please tell me what it is implying. what does wasway's diagram mean? it looks quite clear to me, but apparently the great guidance for all mankind is written in riddles that only muslim can decipher. so please, with your vast wisdom, enlighten me.

so if I and a group of non-muslims are walking down the middle of a narrow road. and you and wasway and love and Sadie and yaqin an abowaleed are coming the other direction. we have to split our group and go to the two gutters on either side while you walk down the high and dry middle? is

(Jun 09 at 11:29) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

the diagram wrong?

I've read the Koran and many hadiths. so you can keep saying GO, all you like. but quess what. i'm not going anywhere. if I was I would have left after my account was deleted for like the 20th time. lol.

so tell me, oh wise one, what do I have wrong? does ilove01 not speak the truth? wasway is a liar? tell me, what do I or they have wrong? what does the almighty sheikh muahmaad al-munajjid have wrong?

(Jun 09 at 11:35) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

@mazoo ignore mike and his comments, just carry on.

(Jun 09 at 14:53) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

You should not do anything with contention or empty glory, but in humility of mind, respect other people as better than yourself.

(Jun 10 at 02:03) Masihi Masihi's gravatar image

masihi, you talking to me? if so, what are you talking about, "empty glory"? "respect other people as better than yourself"? what does that mean. that all muslims are better than me and i need to be subjagated to them. and i need to yeild the middle of the road?

or maybe it is best to do what waswas tells ya.

(Jun 10 at 12:02) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

abu eesa? is that the guy on international women's day said not to try to understand women. only women understand women and they hate each other. made some 'jokes' about rape. yeah, that guy is a genius. another british muslim who thinks he is superior to all non-muslims. and of course muslim men are superior to muslim women, because women are 'unclean' sometimes and can't pray or touch or read the koran. brilliant.

(Jun 10 at 12:36) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image
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