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You exist to worship Allah only that is your purpose. For whatever reason why you choose to do otherwise is your choice. Whoever you are, you will return to Allah as we all will and to Allah be the judgementfor Allah is Al Adl the just. Salaam

(Jun 10 at 01:50) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

how do you know there is allah and there is judgement

(Jun 10 at 01:53) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

don't you think allah is kind of selfish to make humans just so they worship him

(Jun 10 at 01:53) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

yeah you're right. He is worthy of worship that's why I worhsip Him. If you can't appreciate what He does for us then there is nothing for else for me to say here.

He doesn't need you or me, but we need Him. Its a psychological concept that you follow whom you view as your role model.

(Jun 10 at 01:58) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

but how do you know allah exists

(Jun 10 at 02:00) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

Your scenario didn't make sense. Allah created Adam and Huwa in jannah it was thier error that cast them out of the wonderful state they were in.We are who are selfish not Allah. I seek refuge in Allah from your thinking.

(Jun 10 at 02:01) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

We know of Allah's existence in many ways. But one way is through the Quran. The Quran is composed of the same letters of the Arabic language that people use to make sentences and words, yet no one is able to produce a surah like it. This is what a miracle exactly is. Something that doesnt make sense according to the laws of nature. I mean how hard can it be if someone made just one chapter like the chapters of the Quran? If you dont speak Arabic yourself, then please ask an Arab non Muslim if he can produce a chapter like that of the Quran. I had an Arab Christian classmate and I asked him.

(Jun 10 at 02:05) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

yess but they repented and now they are in paradise

@shaitan I can give you proof of ALlah if you like?

(Jun 10 at 02:05) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

allah also created me and created evil.

(Jun 10 at 02:06) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

Ofcourse he said he couldnt because the Quran has a literal inimitability to it. In terms of linguistics. And the effect it has on the heart. I have Alhamdulillah read the Quran many times, but when I read it my insides tremble and tears come to my eyes. No other book religious, fiction, movie or whatever has this impact, And we are talking about a text more than a thousand years ago revealed to an unleterred man.

(Jun 10 at 02:07) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

You are repeating same things listen what I say, and then I am leaving for good this time. Look at answer below.

(Jun 10 at 02:08) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

have you read twilight, that has to be as good as the quran

(Jun 10 at 02:10) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

Mike is that you? Quit playing

(Jun 10 at 02:19) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

you caught me, it's Mike

(Jun 10 at 02:21) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

Its not Mike. Poor Mike, everyone suspect him always. May Allah guide him

(Jun 10 at 02:22) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

no, it is Mike. I will stop :(

(Jun 10 at 02:24) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

Mike or not Mike . Knock it off. P&Q.

(Jun 10 at 02:24) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

How is mike a muslim?

(Jun 10 at 02:24) superhijab superhijab's gravatar image

it's no muslim name. does that mean its haram? (unless she was mthjbi el7mdllah)

(Jun 10 at 02:25) superhijab superhijab's gravatar image

what is P&Q? sadie you wanna hang out tmrw?

(Jun 10 at 02:27) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

Please and thank you. P&Q's (manners) ... I'm not answering you. You've been asked to stop so just stop

(Jun 10 at 02:41) sadie ♦ sadie's gravatar image

shouldnt it be P&T's? Q doesn't make any sense

(Jun 10 at 02:42) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

For the same reason why you know iblis exist or why would you call yourself such?????

(Jun 10 at 03:01) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Hay whoever you claim to be donot disrespect my wife please. Never ask her what you have. I wpuld appreciate it.

(Jun 10 at 03:05) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

pints and quarts. not a very islamic saying, having to do with beer. but it has come to mean watch your manners. mind your p&qs. maybe paul can enlighten us as to it's origin, being english and all. or british at least.

shaitan, the question is why did allah give iblis a reprieve from hell, to make mischief on the land. i think they consensus is that it is a TEST. lots of tests in the abrahamic mythologies. but that was pretty funny nontheless.

supercrazyhijab, michael would be a perfectly good islamic name. i'm named after michael the archangel. he exists in islamic lore. not the

(Jun 10 at 12:53) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

vanquisher of lucifer (satan, the fallen angel), as in christian mythology. but appearently a depressed farmer in islam. the keeper of the plants and rain. and according to a hadith were muhammad asks gabriel why michael never smiles, somewhat depressed. gabe answers by saying that michael hasn't smiled since 'the fall'. so i guess him and iblis were buddies back in the day? who knows, your hadiths are poorly written and leaves much to the imagination.

(Jun 10 at 13:14) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

MIKE, YOU ARE MY BOOYYYYY

(Jun 14 at 14:17) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image
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Good question because you disobeyed Allah yourself, and chose name Iblees for yourself. Thus you are to blame not Allah.

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answered 8588 abdul_wasay's gravatar image
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but allah knew i would disobey and knew i would become shaitan/iblis, if he were all powerful and all good he would stop me

(Jun 10 at 01:40) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

and you have a freewill. so if you want to change you can in this world and still gain jannah but when your time is up here, then there will be no respite.

(Jun 10 at 01:43) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

what is the point of humanities existence if they can be evil then

(Jun 10 at 01:46) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

because you have common sense to choose right from wrong. if you can't make a simple decision as that then there is no one to blame but yourself

(Jun 10 at 01:49) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

shaitan has no common sense. allah makes decision for people all the time

(Jun 10 at 01:50) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

No He knows in advance. You are misunderstanding what decree is.

(Jun 10 at 01:53) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

you are misunderstanding shaitan. if he knows what a human is gonna do before they do it, it is because he caused them to do it.

(Jun 10 at 01:58) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

that is a failure's attitude. you are saying you are going to fail before even you try for getting the 90+ in yours exams? I am sorry to say this. OK I am going for studies thanks nice talking to you cause I have to pass this time :D.

(Jun 10 at 02:03) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

shaitan doesn't take exams

(Jun 10 at 02:05) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image
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Allah knows best.

But know that this very temporary life is a test. Iblis is part of that test.

If there was no evil how could there be reward for doing right and abstaining from wrong.

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answered 1856 IbnFaruque's gravatar image

then why did allah create evil if everything could be good

(Jun 10 at 01:40) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

Allah made humans with the ability to chose between right and wrong. He knew Iblis was going to disobey Him. He knew Adam was going to sin. Infact He knows now who's going to end up in hellfire and in heaven. If He wanted He could have put everyone in their proper places without giving them chances to carry out good or evil, right?

(Jun 10 at 01:43) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

if he already knows and everything is pre-destined then what is the point.

(Jun 10 at 01:45) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

But He didnt. What do you think brother would happen if the worst of humans (lets say Pharaoh for example) was created and then immediately put in hell? He would question Allah. He would say why did you put me here? Give me atleast a chance! And contrast this to those ending up in heaven. They will say Alhamdulillah!

(Jun 10 at 01:45) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

But Allah in His wisdom allowed them to carry out their life, so that those who go to hell know that they are here only exactly for their wrongdoings, and Allah did not wrong them even the weight of the mustard sees. And those who ended up in paradise will know that they are here only for the great Mercy of Allah and because Allah multiplied their good deeds etc

(Jun 10 at 01:47) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

this life, the day of judgement, heaven and hell, all of this is a process where the great Justice and Mercy of Allah become manifest

(Jun 10 at 01:48) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

that doesn't make sense. if allah knows who is going to be and who is going to be evil, there is no point in making a choice. plus allah never gave me a choice cause i am shaitan

(Jun 10 at 01:48) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

what if allah, heaven and hell arent real

(Jun 10 at 01:51) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

I mean I exist, since I am shaitan. but there is no definitive proof that heaven, hell and allah do

(Jun 10 at 01:51) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

Allah's knowledge is complete and perfect. He knows the future, past and present, and infact He created time to begin with. His knowledge doesnt mean you dont have a choice. If you decide to move your hand up as youre reading this, you did it because you have free choice. You can get up, walk and sit down. You have free choice. But if you did do it, Allah already knew you would do it, but that doesnt mean He forced you to do it.

(Jun 10 at 01:55) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

so if allah is all good and all powerful, and he knows everything. why does he let bad things happen

(Jun 10 at 01:57) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

If you read the Quran and Hadith, there are many cases where the future is predicted, and which happens exactly as stated, thus proving the knowledge of Allah about the future. Some pious Muslims see dreams from Allah that show the future to them. This is a sign of the existence of Allah and His knowledge about the future as well. Otherwise how could the Muslim have seen the future in this dream? this is an unresolved question in Psychology.

(Jun 10 at 01:57) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

have you seen allah in your dream

(Jun 10 at 02:01) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

No I havent brother. We cannot see Allah in this life. No one can. But we are meant to use our intellect (logic, brains etc) to come to conclusions He exist, and Islam is true. Thats why you find in the Quran the dwellers of the hellfire saying if they only used their mind/reasoning they wouldnt be here.

(Jun 10 at 02:11) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

if you haven't seen allah and no one can see allah.... then there is no proof of allah

(Jun 10 at 02:13) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

Think brother. If you were walking in the sand, and you came across a mobile you would know someone made it, even if you cant see the maker. You would never say no one made the mobile has no maker because I cannot see the maker. Infact, you may be able to tell a lot about the maker of the mobile, how advanced he is etc just by analyzing the mobile even though you never saw him in your life. And to Allah belongs the highest example. If there was no Creator, how did the universe come into existence (in the big bang).

(Jun 10 at 02:19) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

but what if the maker isn't allah, it could be anything, not necessarily allah. no one knows, and no one can know. it could even be shaitan

(Jun 10 at 02:22) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

This is where the following verse comes into action where Allah says: "And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a sūrah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful." (Surah Baqarah, verse 23)

(Jun 10 at 02:25) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image

All the Quraysh had to do to stop Islam and the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wasallam) was to fulfill this challenge, and Islam would cease and be defeated, and Makkah could go back to its period of idolatry and pilgrmage to the idols. It was this simple. Yet no one was able to do it, and instead they had to resort to more difiicult means,they tried to insult the Prophet, didnt work: could stop the message. Lye about him, didnt work. Persecute him, didnt work. Boycott him. didnt work. Plan to murder him. didnt work. Fight him in Medina. didnt work. Yet all they had to do was fulfill this challen

(Jun 10 at 02:28) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image
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  1. You testified to Allah that He is one when we were in intangible ruh form. Thus we chose ourselves to take this test. After that He gave us bodies (tangible) and washed that memory as any examiner does in which he takes away the books before actually taking the exam. This life is a test for the outcome of the hereafter. You work hard in exams and you get good grades, and you work hard in attaining Allah's pleasure, then you get eternal life in paradise (that is the promise! no more tests)
  2. Allah decreed but that doesn't imply enforcement. He knows what that man is going to do. If He doesn't know that how can be God? Only human make predictions but Allah already knows the outcome.
  3. With this test of life we are also given guidance in form of Quran and Hadith. So if we choose to follow them, we benefit ourselves by attaining eternal life. So the blame is upon ourselves, and our own limbs will testify on the Day Of Judgement. No one will complain of injustice.
  4. You will see Allah once you die. Either you rest in peace or your torment starts from your grave.
  5. Allah's mercy always comes before His wrath.
  6. He gives you respite so you repent in this world. If you disbelieve then you will come to know after you death after what you have going after. He gives everyone a chance as part of His mercy. Iblees asked for respite till Day Of Judgement and he was given so by Allah.
  7. Iblees chose to disobey Allah out of pride. He got arrogant and openly disobeyed without repenting. He himself said that he would misguide whole of humanity except the pious one's. So you know your enemy then why are you following him?
  8. Islam already came when Hazrat Adam (ra) it just got perfected for whole humanity. Is there a christian law or jewish law in place? There is a full set of shariah law that can applied to the whole country, thus Islam is complete.
  9. You choose everything including career, university etc so this isn't different at all what you choose for yourself in terms of either accepting or rejecting Islam.
  10. You ask for proof of Allah? Then lets give you one through the diagram and end this argument as I don't have anymore stamina to answer today (Even using evolution as argument the concept is same that population will decrease back in time, and will arrive at two creations! See diagram):

Even using evolution as argument the concept is same that population will decrease back in time, and will arrive at two creations!

Of course lets present the diagram and logic of satan and see what we can come up with:

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answered 8588 abdul_wasay's gravatar image
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that diagram is incorrect. life may have happened spontaneously and then evolved into various different life forms. why did god create dolphins then

(Jun 10 at 02:41) shaitan shaitan's gravatar image

I challenge you to watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TTq6aCMOOk

(Jun 10 at 03:03) IbnFaruque IbnFaruque's gravatar image
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and who caused it to happen spontaneously? are you even honest to yourself?

Answer edited for argument sake

(Jun 10 at 03:23) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image
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