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Allah has given free will to all his creations and i mean everything plants,animals,humans everything have the freedom to live as they want if they do something bad they have to pay for it if they do something good they might get the reward someday but they have the free will

now

but in Islam it self i cant seem to find that freedom like if you born a Muslim and you want to leave you will be killed but if you want to stay as a Muslim you have to obey the rules

so Allah will is freedom and judgment after the time period is over

Islam will is obey us have to obey us must obey us no other way

how both are same plz sory if i heart your feelings

asked 101 AliAri's gravatar image

allah is clearly very confused on the concept of freewill. after all he sent al-khidr to kill a boy in the koran, before the boy had done anything. a pre-emptive death penalty appearently.

(Jun 11 at 11:58) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

Aslam-o-alaikum and may peace and blessing of Allah be upon you

We need critical thinking and knowledge on this subject. Hence I have done my best to provide whatever I know (allahmdullilah) and the sources (scholars which use Quran and Hadith hence these are the most reliable one's).

The misconception is a common one that apostasy results in death because looking at Hadith itself is insufficient and must be backed up with Quranic evidence. This is not a simple case and even scholars differ on this issue. The most compatible analogy is of the scholar Sheikh Suhaib.

Know that there are two broad categories of apostasy: individual apostasy and apostasy with treason, and second is more punishable by death (this is more generalized for your understanding and there are actually three types of apostasy).

The individual apostasy doesn't equal death according to this scholar because the Hadith regarding this is generally worded. Also the Hadith carries only one transmitter and isn't confirmed by a second invidual. Nevertheless it is still classed as Sahih (authentic) but interpretaions are wide.

I agree with Sheikh Suhaib because Quran and Hadith follow in parallel. Quran says "Let there be no compulsion in religion" which agrees most with Sheikh Suhaib's analogy that simple apostasy doesn't carry death. This would against the teaching of Quran (as cited in the verse above) if the case was otherwise.

Also one other point note is that during time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) there were jews who conspired against Muslims. They had planned to convert to Islam and then leave to create restlessness and division among the Ummah. So another interpretation along with earlier one is that it might have been said to counter the plan of the Jews and Christians, after all hypocrites are more dangerous.

Another common analogy is given at answering Christianity:

When Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him executed apostates, he did it because Muslims were at war time and because Islam was still partial, and Muslims needed protection from the hypocrites of the Jews and Christians who purposely entered Islam and deserted it later to create confusion among the Muslims.

*Now the point to note is that there are different interpretations and go with one that conforms with the Quran the most. Hence I am in agreement with this analogy. Even (for argument sake and my own analogy) if apostasy=death then Islam wouldn't have spread as it has now since time of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) because the non-muslims wouldn't convert for they would have viewed Islam as an intolerant deen. But non-muslims enjoyed living under caliphates of Muslims and most of them "reverted" to Islam due to the treatment they received (as under their authority) and there are historical instances of this.

Islam means comes from "peace" hence death for a simple apostasy would defy the spirit of Islam, hence it is to reasoned that there is more to than just an individual apostasy.

Allah guide us, and protect us from hell. Any weaknesses are on my part.

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answered 8588 abdul_wasay's gravatar image
edited Jun 11 at 08:04

Free will does not mean that your actions are not going to lead to consequences in this life. It just means that you have the ability to do whatever you want (obey or disobey). But there will be consequences for choosing to do evil. And specifically Allah سبحانه و تعالى has prescribed punishments for certain actions/sins.. and these serve as means of expiation for sins, among other things. So these punishments are a Mercy on the sinners. Better to be punished on earth for it than in the afterlife in a Fire which is 70 parts worse than the fire on earth.

Also - No. Not all creations were given free will. The Angels, for example, are not given free will (so they can not disobey Allah سبحانه و تعالى). He said: يا أيها الذين آمنوا قوا أنفسكم وأهليكم نارا وقودها الناس والحجارة عليها ملائكة غلاظ شداد لا يعصون الله ما أمرهم ويفعلون ما يؤمرون (they i.e Angels "do not disobey Allah in what He commands them but do what they are commanded.")

The fact is, most of creation is in submission to Allah سبحانه و تعالى (even the animals glorify Him in their own way). It is just humans and jinn which are given free will (and thus will be Judged). And our 'free will' is subject to the Will of Allah سبحانه و تعالى. Meaning, it is only because He is permitting it that we can do what we choose to do, and if He wants something to happen, then He will make it happen without interfering with our free will.

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answered 5936 iLove01's gravatar image

he is talking apostasy=death limits freewill

(Jun 11 at 08:50) abdul_wasay ♦ abdul_wasay's gravatar image

yes aliari, you should rejoice when you are put to death on earth, because it washes away your sin. see stoning an adulterer is a good thing. the stones cleanse the person of the sin. lashing the fornicator, isn't torture, it wipes away the sin. that is how sick and twisted this religion is.

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so rejoice, this man may have lost his head, but these kind muslims have saved his soul.

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