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Salaam beloved Muslims, I ask this question for the sole purpose of knowledge for those that are confused. Any that answers my question please do so with textual proof from either side of the talk. Salaam

asked 8331147 yaqin's gravatar image

Salaam beloved Muslims, Sunni Muslims, Authentic Muslims everywhere. What an excellent question that is, excellent indeed for many reasons.

What an excellent timing too, excellent, or may I say: above excellent with a big smile......

Textual proof, of course, for what is the benefit of Quran and Authentic Hadeeth if not to give us proof for each and everything single important issue for our lives.

I will ASSUME that the one reading my entry is a MUSLIM who knows the 5 pillars of Islam and 6 pillars of Iman, and a,b,c of respecting Allah SWT, the Prophet PBUH and his Quran and Authentic Sunnah.

I will present, in summary forms, what proofs that this mirza ghulam is simply a heretic who simply tried- failingly so much its unbelievable- to present himself as a prophet and a person who came with the new "wave" of islam, while in actuality coming to create his own religion with so much contradictions it is unbelievable.

As we should always revert to Scholars in critical matters, I will quote their CONCLUSION, after EXTENSIVE study of what has been presented by this heretic called ghulam... They also POINT to PROOF from Quran and Sunnah...

Fatawa al-Lajnah ad-Daimah lil-Buhoth al-'Ilmiyah wal-Ifta., Volume 2, Page 313, Fatwa No. 4317

The third question from the Fatwa No. 8536: Question: What is the difference between the Muslims and the Ahmadis (Qadianis)? Answer: The difference between the two is:

The Muslims are those who worship Allah alone and follow His messenger Muhammad(SAW) and believe that he is the seal of the prophets, and that there is no prophet after him.

As for the Ahmadis, who are followers of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, they are kuffar and not Muslims, because they claim that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was a prophet after Muhammad(SAW), and whoever believes in this ideology then he is an denier of truth, according to all the scholars of Islam, as Allah(SWT) says:

"Muhammad is not the father of any man among you, but he is the Messenger of Allaah and the last (seal) of the Prophets" [al-Ahzaab, 40].

And because of what has been authenticated on the authority of the Messenger of Allah(SAW) that he said:

"I am the seal of (all) the prophets, there is no prophet after me", [Imam Ahmad - volume 2, page 398 and 412, volume 3 page 79 and 248, volume 4, page 81, 84, 127 and 128, volume 5, page 278; al-Bukhari (Fath al-Bari) number 3535; Muslim - number 2286 and 2287; Abu Dawud - number 4252].

With Allah is Success and Peace of Allah be upon his Messenger Muhammad and his Followers and Companions.

The Permanent Board for Inquiry and Fatwa - :

Member Member Vice Chairman Chairman Abdullah bin Ghaud Abdullah bin Ghedian Abdulrezagh Afifi Abdulaziz bin Abdullah bin Baz

Fatawa al-Lajnah ad-Daimah lil-Buhoth al-'Ilmiyah wal-Ifta., Volume 2, Page 314, Question 3 of Fatwa No. 8536

Now as we are Authentic Muslims thanks to Allah SWT, why not quote some of that heretic lier words, with FULL QUOTES to the sources:

Following are some of the excerpts/quotations/extracts taken from the books of Mirza Ghulam, which clearly highlight his heretical and anti-Islamic views. For obvious reasons full text cannot be reproduced here. Interested readers are adviced to read the actual text in Urdu/Arabic/Persian to understand the full extent and implications of his heretical views. Full set of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's 80 books are printed now-a-days under the title of ROOHANI KHAZAIN by Ahmadiyya Headquarters in London.

Holy Prophet Mohammed SAAW did not understand the meaning of Surath AlZilzal. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain, vol 3 p.166-167)

"Quran is God's Book and the words of my mouth." (Advertisement dated 15th March 1897) Prophets are liars. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.472)

Hadrath Mohammad's Revelation also turned out to be wrong. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.472-473)

Hazrath Imam Mahdi will not come. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.378-379)

Revelation did not inform Hazrath Mohammad about Ibne Maryam, Dajjal, Khare Dajjal, Yajoog Majoogand Daabatul Ardh. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.473)

Khar-eDajjal (donkey of Dajjal) is the railway train, Dabbatul Ardh are Muslim Scholars (Ulema) and Dajjal are the Christian Priests etc. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.365-366)

Hazrath Eisa ibne Maryam used to practice mesmerism and was quite expert in it. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.256-257)

"Hazrat Eisa ibne Maryam was the son of Yusuf Najjar (Joseph, the Carpenter)." (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.254)

Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya is the Book of God. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.386)

Miracles mentioned in Holy Quran are results of Mesmerism. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.506)

"Verse "No doubt we have revealed it near Qadian (Inna Anzalnaho Qareeban min alQadian) is mentioned in Quran." (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.140)

"Names of Makkah, Madina and Qadian are mentioned with respect in Holy Quran." (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p. 140)

"Bait-ul-Fikr (room where Mirza used to sit and write books) is like Haram-e-Ka'aba, 'Wa man dakhalahoo kaan amina' (and whosoever enter it,is in peace.)" (Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya, Roohani Khazain vol 1 p.666-667)

"Verse of Holy Quran : 'Praise be to Allah, who took his servant on the Night Journey from Masjid Haram to Masjid Aqsa', its real and literal application is the mosque built by father of Mirza Ghulam." (Advertisement for Donation to build Minaret-ul-Maseeh, 10 years after claiming to be the Promised Messiah, Collection of Advertisements, vol 3 p.286)

Hadrath Rasool-e-Akram SAAW is not the Last and Final Messenger of Allah. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.320)

Qiyamah or the Day of Judgement is nothing and Destiny is false. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p. 2 Title page, First edition)

"Sun will not rise from the West." (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.376)

There is no punishment in grave. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.316)

"Tanasukh (Transimmigration of soul - a hindu belief) is true." (Sat Bachan p.84) Holy Quran is full of filthy words. (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.115-117)

"I claim that I am the awaited Messiah, about whom there are prophecies in all the Holy Books that he will appear in the last days." (Thfa-e-Golravia, Roohani Khazain vol 17, p.295)

"I am Adam, I am Noah, I am Abraham, I am Isaac, I am Jacob, I am Ishmael, I am Moses, I am Jesus son of Mary, I am Mohammed SAAW ..." (Roohani Khazain vol 22 p.521)

I am the "Self-implanted and Self-cultivated Seedling" of the British Government. (Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol 13, p.350)

"From my early age till now when I am 65 years of age, I have been engaged, with my pen and tongue, in an important task to turn the hearts of muslims towards the true love & goodwill & sympathy for the British Government and to obliterate the idea of jehad from the hearts of stupid (muslims)." (Kitab-ul-Bariyah, Roohani Khazain vol 13 p.350)

"......for the sake of British Government, I have published & distributed 50,000 leaflets in this country (India) and other Islamic countries (against jehad)..... the result is that hundreds of thousands of people have given up their filthy ideas about Jihad." (Roohani Khazain vol 15 p. 114)

"...and I know these literatures have affected people in this country as well and those who have taken oath with me they have formed a Jama'at (Ahmadiyya) whose hearts are filled with true benevolence of this (British) Government...and they are heartily willing to lay down their lives for Government." (Letter to the British Government by Mirza Ghulam, Tabligh-e-Risalat vol 6 p.65)

"Except for the Children of Prostitutes, whose hearts have been sealed by God, everyone else believes in my Prophethood." (Aina-e-Kamalate Islam, Roohani Khazain vol 5, p.547)

"He, who does not believe on Mirza Ghulam Qadiani, is Disobedient to God and Prophet and will go to Hell." (Advertisement by Mirza Ghulam dated 25th May 1900)


I hope that proof is enough, I know its enough for over 2.1+ billion Muslims thanks to Allah SWT, that's 25% of humanity, it might not be enough for the rest, but its enough for us.

Thanks for the question Yaqin, and looking forward for your response, you know, me being absolutely new here.....

Salam, Your brother, ...........

answered (suspended) Farukomar's gravatar image
edited Aug 19 at 16:24

I wrote this myself, I did copy some parts, but the intro and conclusion and what is in between I did write for you my beloved brother, hope everyone enjoys, EVERYONE, every SINGLE one who reads this...

(Aug 19 at 16:20) Farukomar Farukomar's gravatar image

A answer was posted to this question with textual proof and now it has been deleted. WHY? Manipulation of information is not the purpose of this site, so claimed, if this is so then replace the answer so the members can weigh in on the knowldege or their refutation of it. This should not be personal and if one makes it so then I beg it not be at the cost of the members...... salaam

answered 8331147 yaqin's gravatar image
edited Aug 19 at 19:13

The answer was posted by a user who was previously suspended, and decided to make multiple accounts. However, I will copy and paste the answer that the user posted for the sake of discussion.

(Aug 19 at 21:50) asif ♦♦ asif's gravatar image

Thank you ... salaam

(Aug 19 at 23:07) yaqin ♦ yaqin's gravatar image

Well Faruk's answer was quite perfect, then why he was suspended?

However, Thanks to Asif for copy-pasting the answer of Farukomar as it is a good answer to the question.

answered 138 Tahmeed's gravatar image

"Farukomar" is actually the same as the previous "123 Abdullah" and "ehsaan" user, who is ill-intentioned and trying to cause trouble on this site.

(Aug 21 at 10:33) asif ♦♦ asif's gravatar image

Then what about Mike? He do the same things, then why is he still there on this site? Aren't you taking @123 AbduAllah personally??

(Aug 21 at 22:40) Irfan Alam ♦ Irfan%20Alam's gravatar image
answered 109 mikejm4's gravatar image

irfan, i've never closed any questions. i've posted no one's email. nor have i threatened to track anyone down, or whatever his insane rambling was about. nor do i put up bad statistics. there aren't 2.1 billion muslims, especially if you don't count those who aren't 'authentic' sunni.

(Aug 21 at 23:15) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

here is what he said: "Message regarding your future: You liar, I exposed you in front of everyone you KAFIR; rest assured that I will get you personally wherever you are ASIF and this will follow you throughout your life and it will ever stain you and when people search for you they will know you are the KAFIR running for the Qadyani rubbish team; you are a KAFIR!"

(Aug 21 at 23:21) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

@mikejm4: But you have done whatever you can to mislead peoples !!

(Aug 22 at 07:51) Irfan Alam ♦ Irfan%20Alam's gravatar image

i ask about islam and when i disagree, i state my reason. any hadiths i post come from islamic run websites. i can't tell you is is run by sunnis or ahmadis of sufis or shias or fitherer or seventhers or twelfers and any other sect that abdullah 123 might take offense to. but is a well known salafist. follows the hanbali school. again not sure if that is 'authentic' to 123 or not. don't really care.

and i think your timeline is off. according to asif, and the way i remember it. 123 like closed out 2 pages of old questions for some reason? so asif claims he

(Aug 22 at 15:12) mikejm4 mikejm4's gravatar image

asked him to stop and then he didn't so he took away his moderator rights and suspended him. then 123 got all pissy about it and researched asif and claims he is ahmadi. where did 123 come from anyways. i can't get on the community page to see the moderator. but you and sadie were when i first looked. then yaqin got his diamond and sadie was all like 'oh it looks so good next to your name...blah blah blah. and around that time sinner slave with failure was begging to be made a moderator. and he was and then changed his name to muhammad adbul (something) and the 15 year-old pakistani girl in england was made a moderator. and she went crazy with the 'i've got power'. amiga, who then became (i could i forget her real name, she was contantly lecturing me)?

dude, you know i've been blocked over 20 times. i'm not some kid in the basement with one computer. i have access to dozens. there is no blocking me.

so if i mislead people correct me. yaqin said he knew how to deal with people like me. where is he at?

answered 109 mikejm4's gravatar image

Mikejm, you can ask any question on what you disagree about Islam but you sometimes attacked the Muslim's feelings directly.

answered 138 Tahmeed's gravatar image

mikejm4 you are pathetic and a low life; now playing a victim boo waah hee hee..

answered (suspended) kafir2's gravatar image

assalam alaikuum nice explain here mizra is kafir and qadyni are kafir la ilah illa Allh

answered (suspended) kafir2's gravatar image

kafir2, when have i played victim. yaqin put a curse on me. asked allah to break my back, and i laughed.

yaqin, aren't we approaching the anniversary of the curse, it was in september? wasn't it?

answered 109 mikejm4's gravatar image

Wa 'Alaikumus Salam Wa Ra'hmatullahi Wa Barakatuhu.

Yes, Mirza is kafir and all his followers are kafir.

Allahu Ta'aala Alam.

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