i have commited zina after marriage

The above is what I understood However Allah (S.W.T) knows best, so if one say he/she can repent from heart and he/she can be free from this sin then he/she may research further.

I knew you will bump the thread with a useless comment and I knew you couldn't answer my questions.

And Yes on my other comment on a different question. I said "ask to an Alima and you should consult an Islamic Scholar because without this you can not take any further steps". Because I get to know some people in this forum, and they will not listen to me like you. So I asked her to consult to an Islamic Scholar so that they will describe the punishment of 100 lashes or stoned to death. Because no one less can give you this punishment expect Shari Judge. Pity on your thinking again, shame on your effort that for supporting your false argument you are reading my every comment in this forum. Lol. But not answering my questions.

And I knew you will not listen to my explanation of repentance and punishment. I can provide you more but you are blind and deaf. You didn't give importance to the practice of Holy Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) so who am I? Its useless to provide you evidences.

And your comments are showing, how you are going off the topic. And not answering the questions, because you can not support your argument.

But I ask you again so that everyone will know what you are doing. Petrolhead you didn't hesitate in molding the practice of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), shame on you and you call yourself a Muslim. Now answer

1. Why have you half quoted the case of Maa’iz ibn Maalik al-Aslami and removed the punishment given by Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) of stoned to death?

2. Why Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) gave the punishment of stoned to death, if the zani woman could get away by verbal repentance?

3. Why the Holy Torah described the same punishment of stoned to death for committers of adultery?

Answer the questions, because time is essential which I don't want to waste on a Blind and Deaf person like you, sorry. And support you answers for the above questions with evidences from Holy Quran, or Hadith of Muhammad (S.A.W), and don't just say yourself or quote from someone else. I provided you the Hadith of Sahih Bukhari, Explained you the case of Maa’iz ibn Maalik al-Aslami and gave you the reference of the Holy Torah

So if you can answer in same way then comment please.

I'll explain futher when you get more knowledge in the verses you say Allah will not forgive. Repent means accept the punishment to purify ? Repent is tawbah. Look up the meaning man. Look up the Arabic meaning ... the Quran meaning...then the English meaning. Then compare it to your definition...

Tawbah / repentance is Not just a verbal thing. Read and learn it's Islamic terminology and how it's done. And read for your sake. Because your understanding to it and how is very very wrong. You told a person to consult a Alima for a sin. You do the same to learn what Tawbah repenting is. I read your other answer to a similar question.. you said pray Allah to forgive you. You didnt tell her go get stoned/whipped now to purify?..lol

I can't learn from someone who doesnt know the correct meanings of words. And that has his own interpitations of the Quranic verses.. and that has his own beliefs of when Allah will forgivee or not as you mentioned earlier (I believe...etc) Bump or don't bump. It doesn't really matter to me. I wont bother reading on this question and replying again it's going to be a long useless loop.

Good luck & Salam.

Ok so now you accept the punishment of stoned to death and now the debate is whether it is a punishment or true repentance, by you giving me a reference from some online English dictionary. Brother I can provide you explanation on this matter as well, for this time just remember

1. Repentance is what you asked for, means you yourself accept the punishment so that you can be purify.
2. Punishment is what, if someone finds out your sin or oppressed asked for justice (i.e. the spouse finds out that his/her partner had committed adultery and ask justice before Shari Judge, providing evidences) and due to which he/she is being punished according to law.

However I know that you are not ready to listen and understand and you will go to last extent to support your new argument.

I think you don't want to understand, and I am seeing how you are going off the topic when I have provided you the evidences by Allah’s will, provided you the Hadith of Sahih Bukhari, Explained you the case of Maa’iz ibn Maalik al-Aslami, gave you the reference of the Holy Torah and etc.

Pity on you.

Unfortunately I am not glad for you, as after hours of typing and providing you strong evidences you still learnt nothing.

Can you please tell me,

1. Why have you half quoted the case of Maa’iz ibn Maalik al-Aslami and removed the punishment given by Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) of stoned to death?
2. Why Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) gave the punishment of stoned to death, if the zani woman could get away by verbal repentance?
3. Why the Holy Torah described the same punishment of stoned to death for committers of adultery.

Provide us the answers for the above questions, or will you again bump the thread for no reason?

Stoned to death is a punishment.. not repentance (toubah).

Getting punishment in this life before judgment day comes under a different topic.

Repent:.1. To feel remorse, contrition, or self-reproach for what one has done or failed to do; be contrite.2. To feel such regret for past conduct as to change one's mind regarding it: repented of intemperate behavior.3. To make a change for the better as a result of remorse or contrition for one's sins.

Brother, your meanings are very off balanced.

Glad you've commented today. You learnt something new.

I have red the verses of Surah Al-Furqan. And they are totally correct. I quote it again for you (the same translation as provided by you)

()“And those who invoke not any other ilaah (god) along with Allaah, nor kill such person as Allaah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse ,and whoever does this shall receive the punishment. ()The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace; ()Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds; for those, Allaah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allaah is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful. [Surat Al Furqan-68]

Surah Al-Furqan, Verse 68

()“And those who invoke not any other ilaah (god) along with Allaah, nor kill such person as Allaah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse ,and whoever does this shall receive the punishment.

Its totally correct and that's what I said "whoever does this shall receive the punishment"

Surah Al-Furqan, Verse 70

()Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds; for those, Allaah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allaah is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful.*

Its totally correct as well. The above Holy Verse says "Who repent". I think you are considering repentance as only verbal repentance don't you consider the punishment of stoned to death a REPENTANCE ? And for their repentance Allah will change their sin to rewards.

You are telling me not to ignore the hadiths of Holy Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), and what you did? You had removed the punishment given by Holy Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) from the case of Maa’iz ibn Maalik al-Aslami on his insistence to purify.

And Yes, May Allah Guide Me If I am Wrong and You Too.

And of which Islamic Scholars you are referring? See Below

According to the Hanbali jurist Ibn Qudamah, "Muslim jurists are unanimous on the fact that stoning to death is a specified punishment for the married adulterer and adulteress. The punishment is recorded in number of traditions and the practice of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) stands as an authentic source supporting it. This is the view held by all Companions, Successors and other Muslim scholars with the exception of Kharijites."[14]

Above taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoning

More over you can find the punishment of Stoning to Death in Torah as well,

Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman engaged to another man (both should be stoned, Deut. 22:23-24)

Sahih Bukhari 6.79, Narrated by Abdullah ibn Umar (R.A)

The Jews brought to the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) a man and a woman from among them who had committed illegal sexual intercourse. The Prophet said to them, "How do you usually punish the one amongst you who has committed illegal sexual intercourse?" They replied, "We blacken their faces with coal and beat them." He said, "Don't you find the order of Ar-Rajm (i.e. stoning to death) in the Torah?" They replied, "We do not find anything in it." 'Abdullah bin Salam (after hearing this conversation) said to them, "You have told a lie! Bring here the Torah and recite it if you are truthful." (So the Jews brought the Torah). And the religious teacher who was teaching it to them, put his hand over the Verse of Ar-Rajm and started reading what was written above and below the place hidden with his hand, but he did not read the Verse of Ar-Rajm. 'Abdullah bin Salam (R.A) removed his (i.e. the teacher's) hand from the Verse of Ar-Rajm and said, "What is this?" So when the Jews saw that Verse, they said, "This is the Verse of Ar-Rajm." So the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) ordered the two adulterers to be stoned to death, and they were stoned to death near the place where biers used to be placed near the Mosque. I saw her companion (i.e. the adulterer) bowing over her so as to protect her from the stones.

Red the verses from Quran that's I've posted from Surat al Furqan. Those are the words of Allah. Why should I prove to you Allah forgives the sins? Just read it. Allah says it and not me. Don't just be argumentative for the sake of it, and disregard words of Allah so simply. Also don't just ignore the hadeeths by our Prophet about concealing and about concealing Zina.

Plus. Murder and Zina are on two different levels. Allah made it clear in the Quran that they are not equal. And not the same.

May Allah truly guide you.....

@ petrolhead

Don't being personal bro.

Just answer why Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) stoned the zani woman if she can get forgiveness by asking forgiveness?

And Yes, she is the criminal of her husband.

And I am not saying that she can not be forgiven. Yes if she gets the punishment described by Islam she will be forgiven.

And I'm not saying that she has to tell every living creature on earth about her sin, she just have to face the punishment described by Islam.

And Yes, the example of killing a person is totally appropriate for this situation because she has murdered the emotions, feelings, trust and blessing of husband.

Not a single verse you provided from the Holy Quran which supports your argument, that by just asking forgiveness she can get away from this sin.

Just answer why Allah's Apostle (S.A.W) gave the punishment of stoned to death to that woman if she could repent?

My answer: Because this is the only repentance for this sin in Islam.

what's your answer?

And I can not bump this thread again and again, telling you the same thing so I'll involve moderators because there is no cure for a frustrated person like you. Its better if you provide a logical answer to my question and put your argument and let the people decide what they choose.

And for your information. You have half quoted the case of Maa’iz ibn Maalik al-Aslami .Following is the complete case of Maa’iz ibn Maalik al-Aslami .And he was also stoned to death.

Buraydah (may Allaah be pleased with him) reported that Maa’iz ibn Maalik al-Aslami came to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and said: “O Messenger of Allaah, I have wronged myself by committing adultery, and I want you to purify me.” The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned him away. The next day, he came back and said: “O Messenger of Allaah, I have committed adultery,” and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) turned him away a second time. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent for his people and asked them, “Do you know of anything wrong with him mentally? Have you ever noticed any strange behaviour on his part?” They said, “What we know is that he is of sound mind. He is among the righteous people, as far as we can see.” Maa’iz came back a third time, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent for his people too, and they told him that there was nothing wrong with him or with his mind. On the fourth day, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) had a hole dug for him, and commanded that he should be stoned.

@ believer

I did not say she can get away from her sin by wearing Hijab & Prayers , and i am not rumoring it. You did not understand my answer. Its either a lanugage barrier or your frustration and quick judgement of the context of what i've written.

Second, do not even compare the sin of killing with the sin of zina , neither have i said to the sister that she is forgiven (insh'ALLAH she will be)

"You are trying to say that as long as the husband doesn't know about the sin of his wife, the wife can lay with as many men as she wants, and if she got pregnant then the child belongs to her husband" ............

Her problem is NOT with her husband....... and she can go zina with as many men as she wishes ?? -i didnt say that. but you are missing out on TAWBAH & REPENTANCE, .......يَا أَيّهَا الّذِينَ آمَنُوا تُوبُوا إِلَى‏ اللّهِ تَوْبَةً نَصُوحاً .. in meaning REPENT (TAWBAH) and DONT GO BACK TO YOUR SIN!...(Surat Al Tarheem)

Huqooq el Ibad, Yes .. Story of Yousef (SA) Yes... but its a different matter here. Questions about Blood Between People on judgmentday ? Loans ? Moneys ? Yes ..anyways.

Her real problem is with ALLAH and her SIN & DISOBEYDIANCE

THIS IS CONCEALMENT:

Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said, after the stoning of al-Aslami: “Avoid this filth that Allah has forbidden, and whoever falls into it, let him conceal himself with the concealment of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted.” story of the married woman that confessed Zina

THATS ANOTHER ONE:

Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Every one of my followers will be forgiven except those who expose (openly) their wrongdoings. An example of this is that of a man who commits a sin at night which Allah has covered for him, and in the morning, he would say (to people): "I committed such and such sin last night,' while Allah had kept it a secret. During the night Allah has covered it up but in the morning he tears up the cover provided by Allah Himself."

QURAN & FORGIVENESS:

“And verily, I am indeed forgiving to him who repents, believes (in My Oneness, and associates none in worship with Me) and does righteous good deeds, and then remains constant in doing them (till his death)” - (Surat Ta-Ha 20:82)

()“And those who invoke not any other ilaah (god) along with Allaah, nor kill such person as Allaah has forbidden, except for just cause, nor commit illegal sexual intercourse ,and whoever does this shall receive the punishment. ()The torment will be doubled to him on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein in disgrace; ()Except those who repent and believe (in Islamic Monotheism), and do righteous deeds; for those, Allaah will change their sins into good deeds, and Allaah is Oft‑Forgiving, Most Merciful. [Surat Al Furqan-68]

(NOTHING ABOUT FORGIVNESS FROM MY ACCOUNT OR MOUTH)

Anti Islamic Comittee ? - Really .. That is by far the lowest blow. why would i even read/believe something that has any doubts ? why would i even be here and try to help lol ? Islamic Committee is The Islamic Standing Committee, Scholary Research and Ifta - which has the greatest scholars like Bin Baz & Shanqeety & Shartery with also al albani, tamiiyah , ibn jbreen.

There was no rulings over Allah or Prophet Muhammed (Aleeh Al salat wa al salam)- keep those constant and unmoved and unchanged - dont we have SCHOLARS / FATWAS / FIQHS ? but ..Abit about SCHOLARS...

ABOUT THE SCHOLARS:

Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: The superiority of the scholar over the devout is like my superiority over one who is of the lowest rank amongst you. Then Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: Verily (for the scholars) Allah and His angels, the dwellers of the Heavens and of the Earth, even an ant in its hole and fish (in the depth of water) invoke blessings on one who teaches people goodness.

Messenger of Allah said, "The superiority of the learned over the devout worshipper is like my superiority over the most inferior amongst you (in good deeds)." He went on to say, "Allah, His angels, the dwellers of the heaven and the earth, and even the ant in its hole and the fish (in water) supplicate in favour of those who teach people knowledge

RULINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMED:

Maa’iz came to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and confessed that he had committed zina and said, “Purify me (i.e., carry out the hadd punishment on me)”, he said to him, “Woe to you, go back and ask Allaah for forgiveness and repent to Him.

RULINGS OF PROPHET MUHAMMED:

Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Avoid these sins that Allaah has forbidden, but whoever does any of them, let him conceal himself with the concealment of Allaah and repent to Allaah, for whoever tells us of what he has done, we will carry out (the punishment prescribed in) the Book of Allaah on him.”

Rulings in punishment - Stoning to death ?! or REPENT (TAWBAH) ? Tell her husband about her Zina & child, thats her choice now. The father wants to disregard the child he can at courts or by li'an.

Islam is a way of life & guidance too. Read my first answer again

Finally to Sister Aysha, Keep in mind Allah is forgiving. No matter what you decide, true happiness is with Allah and being honest in your Tawbah. May Allah forgive you & Best of luck.

@ petrolhead

Provide the Hadith with context.

And which Islamic Scholars Committee? provide the quote with context and don't just say. Is this a Committee Funded by Anti-Islamic Organizations or what? Because no one has authority to over ruled Allah's command and the Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) has given the punishment described by Islam for this sin to those who committed this sin and now you are rumoring that by just praying and wearing hijab a woman can get away from this sin.

And you trying to say that when a married woman commits zina the child belongs to his husband? Please ,neither biologically nor Islamically this child belongs to her husband. And Yes, the name of the father can not be given to her child. Do you know that before Islam the adopted son of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W), Zayd (R.A) was called Zayd-ibn-Muhammad, but after the revelation his name was reverted back to Zayd bin Harithah (R.A). If you ask I can provide you the quotation.

And please don't tell me that it is only applicable for adopted children, no its not because its about the blood, and this child does not have the blood of her husband.

Again you are talking without context that it is one of the signs of true repentance that Allah hids the sins of his creatures from the others. Brother it is true regarding sins which only Allah and that person knows, and for which Islam doesn't provide a punishment in this world. Like listening songs or telling lies. Allah will forgive Huquq-ul-Allah (Rights of Allah) but not Huquq-ul-Ibaad (Rights of People). Do you know why Allah forgive the brothers of Yousuf [Joseph] (A.S)? Because Yousuf (A.S) has already forgiven them and after that his brothers ask forgiveness and Allah forgive them all.

Do you think that if a murderer, kill an innocent but then he felt sorry and ask forgiveness and no one else in this world finds out his sin, so he is forgiven according to you? What about the innocent who died?

You are trying to say that as long as the husband doesn't know about the sin of his wife, the wife can lay with as many men as she wants, and if she got pregnant then the child belongs to her husband.

Please don't give advices on the matters you don't have knowledge of, I also don't comment on matters for which I have no knowledge. Because we will be accountable for that.